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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: gnu Date: 23 Aug 15 - 08:12 PM Notice the container from Canada. That's the one you could play like a Kazoo when it was empty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2WfYkgfCk |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST Date: 23 Aug 15 - 08:25 PM John Coltrane's masterwork, A Love Supreme, was only played once in live concert. This portion is the only surviving film of that 1965 performance. "A Love Supreme" by John Coltrane |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Aug 15 - 08:31 PM Come along now, Doug. You castigate the Musket project for being shaky over identity, yet you, I and everyone else here posts to a forum in which there are God knows how many anonymous guests and in which we all have the unbounded ability to spoof anyone else's identity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Charmion Date: 23 Aug 15 - 08:44 PM Do you suck them very slowly or crunch them very fast? I also would like to take exception to those who denigrate cider. Very fond of cider, I am -- especially a veritable champagne of a cider from the Waupoos Island Brewery in Prince Edward County, Ontario. Excellent stuff. I think I'll have one and then go to bed, perchance to dream of gnus dancing in the night. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,MusketKeefAcheStevieboyWottevah Date: 23 Aug 15 - 09:02 PM Yeah, why not, Musket! Steve here by the way. As ever, I cannot tell a lie. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Aug 15 - 09:30 PM Yes you are equalled! Have you forgotten that we're co-Messiahs? Jays, I never had this bloody trouble with the Holy soddin' Ghost... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Raedwulf Date: 23 Aug 15 - 09:34 PM No, Steve, I don't spoof anyone. Neither do you. Not when "Steve Shaw" appears. Or do you share your own personal password with anyone? Musket, being several cunts (I offer no apologies), is another matter. As for the Guest shit, which appears to be amusing small minds at the moment, it's not clever at all. The sooner small minds grow bored, the better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Aug 15 - 09:40 PM Actually, a couple of posts appeared recently courtesy of "Guest Steve Shaw" that were not me. All you have to do is log out and type whatever name you like in the "from" box. It comes up as " Guest |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Aug 15 - 09:42 PM I meant "Guest-whatever-name-you-picked". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Backwoodsman Date: 24 Aug 15 - 02:03 AM Yeah, but the 'Guest' tag is the giveaway, isn't it? Whenever I see a post which appears to be a bona-fide member posting as a 'Guest', I automatically assume it's some twat of an imposter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 15 - 04:01 AM Raedwulf, Musket is coy about his views on WW1. This random post from the thread I linked to last week gives the gist of it. RE: BS: Armistice Day (debate) From: GUEST,Musket - PM Date: 17 Nov 13 - 06:36 AM No amount of quoting those paid to revise history is going to further your cause Keith. We commemorate Remembrance Sunday NOT to remember how we won a war or two, but to ensure we learn from the mistakes of the past. We don't set up cenotaphs to those taken by cancer or coronary heart disease, or those killed at work, or those in car accidents... We do it for the fallen in war. Why? To make sure those with an appetite for war are reminded of the mistakes and callous disregard for human life that the disgraceful senior staff at The War Office had in those days. They started the remembrance idea in order to remind ourselves how good we are at war, but the idea was taken over by far more rational thought than they could ever realise. We remember to try to make sure we don't make the mistakes again, however unsuccessful we seem to be. Your idolising of revisionist hacks is a barrier to facing the cold facts that our fallen were all in vain. Slaughtered for no reason in the First World War and slaughtered in the Second World War because we couldn't even get the peace right.... Does it worry you that they were duped into believing jingoistic lies? Does it worry you that most were killed through the disgraceful actions of their leaders? Does it worry you that there is no glory in war, just futile death. Cheer leaders for military fools should hang their heads in shame, as they are a hindrance to remembering why we stand there each year. Sorry Keith, but in the "Masters of War" debate, they seem to retain their servants...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 15 - 04:30 AM Why is WWI still being fought on this thread? Is this not the reason why may of us why many of us "sigh"? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 24 Aug 15 - 05:24 AM Drink beer. We also tried Tiffin Gold 3.6% from the Kirby Longsdale Brewery and Endless Summer 3.4% from the Oakham Ales Brewery |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 15 - 05:27 AM Don't any of you people drink decent beer? Whatever happened to Young's Ordinary or Everard Tiger? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Raggytash Date: 24 Aug 15 - 05:33 AM My normal tipple is Guinness |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Aug 15 - 05:52 AM For several years I was on the tasting panel for Doom Bar. We convened every Friday afternoon at Sharps brewery in Rock to assess the batches of Doom that had been brewed that week. It was quite a detailed exercise. Occasionally the head brewer, Stuart Howe, would try out his new beers on us and get us trying some continental brews. Somebody had to do it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Aug 15 - 05:57 AM We are only about 30 miles from Kirby Lonsdale and I didn't even know they had a brewery! Mind you - there are a lot closer. Nearest is Naylors at Cross Hills - about 1/2 a mile. Next is Old Bear near Riddlesden - 4 miles-ish then Both Copper Dragon and Grey Hawk in the same brewery near Skipton - 5 miles and the famous Timothy Taylors at Keighley - Again about 5 miles. I think there is one in Goose Eye which is about 3 miles but I have never tried that. We are well blessed :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Ed T Date: 24 Aug 15 - 07:00 AM You don't have to be a historian to know it was "difficult times in WW I pubs". war and beer |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Musket Date: 24 Aug 15 - 07:39 AM Bloody hell. I forgot how eloquent I am! What is your point over my cenotaph post Keith? Seems on the button to me. By the way, those on here sounding like the self righteous brothers over how we operate Musket. Keith has just yet again demonstrated why. Although I have no idea why he put that post up, he and others love to judge the poster not the post, so come up with irrelevant snippets about a person posting in order to cast doubt over them. It is unsavoury, creepy, nasty and puerile. Multiple people under one name confuses the fuck out of them. I think we'll carry on doing whilst ever M, I and yours truly feel it appropriate. By the way, we all post separately in music threads, but as this section is called bullshit, it takes a narrow simpleton persona to behave in the way Keith does. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 15 - 07:53 AM "My normal tipple is Guinness" Repeat - English Guinness - euch!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 24 Aug 15 - 07:55 AM What is your point over my cenotaph post Keith? Seems on the button to me. Thanks Musket. I gave up waiting for you to answer Raedwulf. I am glad you approve of my selection. I was afraid you would claim I was quoting out of context again. I actually agree some of the sentiments in it myself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Ed T Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:00 AM "Rose: 'If you are an alien, how come you sound like you're from the north?' Doctor: 'Lots of planets have a north!" ― Russell T. Davies |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Ed T Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:02 AM "You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common: they don't alter their views to fit the facts; they alter the facts to fit their views." ― Chris Boucher |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Musket Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:29 AM Certain things here are getting surreal. Mind you, the Russell T Davies quote had me laughing out loud Ed, and being on a train, that guarantees nobody squeezing into the seat next to mine. I must have heard it at the time but can't remember it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Aug 15 - 09:33 AM Guinness is not to be discussed in the same context as real beer. It is made from watered-down burnt unmalted barley and is low in hops. Its head and frothy texture is achieved entirely by mechanical means via nitrogen gas and a device in the tap. Good for you if you like it, but there is real beer out there too! In the bad old days, when many a pub had no decent cask ales, Guinness came in handy as something at least tolerable. That role has greatly diminished. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:26 AM are achieved :-( |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Aug 15 - 11:21 AM "Guinness is not to be discussed in the same context as real beer." All an acquired taste really. I was in Oxford last year on a recording trip with a Irish friend and I introduced here to real ale - thought I was going to have to find her a sick-bag. Takes all kinds. One of the most memorable drinking nights Pat and I ever spent was when we were recording the Travellers on the Mile End Road in East London. We invariably had to search for a pub that would agree to serve Travellers, usually only the ones were the dives that sold crap watered-down beer. On this occasion, we found a real ale pub that had Watneys as a basis, but regularly brought in 'guest' ales'; on this particular night, it was Everards and Theakstons. The company wasn't particularly discriminating and asked for "a pint of bitter" when ordering - the barman obliged with whatever was nearest to hand. By nine o'clock, the place was like The Somme (not to mention a controversial subject) - minus the stretcher-bearers. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Aug 15 - 02:51 PM I supped a good few hundred pints round Mile End meself, Jim, in the early to mid-70s. Many of 'em with my mate Blair Peach. Now there was a socialist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Raggytash Date: 24 Aug 15 - 03:30 PM Jim In 2005 I was down the Beara Peninsula just heading to the Dursay cable car, In the 1 o'clock news there was a statement that said all the Guinness sold in England was henceforth to be brewed in Ireland. Very sad for the workers at the former Guinness plant in London (and formerly Manchester) but great news for Guinness drinkers as our pints were going to be made in Dublin. PS I know it's not from (and never has been) from the River Liffey |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Aug 15 - 03:27 AM It has not made a hap'orth of difference Rag... Guinness in England is still swill and always has been. Even in Ireland, you have to pick your pub - and steer clear of most hotels (especially the large ones). When Pat and I got together, the first holiday we took was to Ireland. She had tried Guinness numerous times in London (with my encouragement) and hated it, and when we reached New Ross, I persuaded her to give it one more go - bang - 'The Thunderbolt!" as they said in 'The Godfather' - she was hooked forever. She has been an addict ever since (beats all the chat-up lines I could ever come up with!). "Blair Peach. Now there was a socialist." A warmly-remembered socialist martyr Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: akenaton Date: 25 Aug 15 - 04:11 AM Neither the Sixties generation, rights activists, nor student wannabees, have made Britain more socialist. In fact we are now living in a society where capital controls every facet of our lives and the wealth gap has widened to an obscene extent. We tend to confuse social law and order, with opposition to change in the political system. The police are there to keep order no matter whom holds political power Do you think that a socialist Britian would not need a strong police force?.....If so you are living in sixties cuckoo land. Whining about personal "rights" only alienates half of society, divides and obscures the real important change which has to be political and economic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Raggytash Date: 25 Aug 15 - 04:15 AM Further tastings included Mosaic Blonde 4.3% from Oldershaw Brewery in Grantham and White Rabbitt 3.8% from the Ossett Brewery |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Aug 15 - 04:34 AM For those that believe police are there to 'keep law and order' but happen to murder civil rights activists and student wannabees (whatever they are) The death of Blair Peach. Well done, ake, you have managed to show your ignorance, insensitivity and bigotry all in one post. Steve, sorry if it brings up any bad memories. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Aug 15 - 04:50 AM "Neither the Sixties generation, rights activists, nor student wannabees, have made Britain more socialist." No - but they attempted to make life better instead of sitting at home taking a poke and telling us where we were going wrong. The students in the sixties helped change the laws on how Travellers were treated - the present lot have dismantled those laws and outlawed them virtually out of existence. Those who turned out on the hundreds of anti- Vietnam war rallies helped end that particular obscenity. The Anti-Apartheid Movement with its demonstrations and its boycotts was part of the changesd in South Africa. None ofd this managed to change the world, but it at least drew attention to where it was going - a first step. Safer to stand at the window and sneer rather than actually do something. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Aug 15 - 04:52 AM The first line on my last post should read "For those that believe police are there to 'keep law and order'. But in reality the police happen to murder civil rights activists and student wannabees (whatever they are)" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Aug 15 - 06:25 AM I wasn't at the rally when he was killed. Blair was a down to earth bloke who liked nowt more than to go for a pint or three after an East London Teachers' Association union meeting, not necessarily to talk politics. He taught in a special school and his kids loved him to bits. He had no big ego and had a lovely sense of humour. He wasn't a big bloke, slightly built and he had a bad stammer which would occasionally leave him momentarily when he was particularly impassioned (often when railing against racism, a matter on which he was well ahead of his time). He was absolutely unswerving in his socialism. As the wiki article says, he was a member of the SWP, but he never proselytised about it. I've never heard of the "Socialist Teachers' Association" which wiki mentions, but there was a Socialist Teachers Alliance (STA) which he was, most decidedly, NOT a member of. The left-wing NUT group we were aligned with was Teachers' Rank And File. We were allies on the committee of ELTA and were delegates to the Inner London Teachers' Association, ILTA, basically the London NUT. I was active in the East London branch alongside Blair from 1974 until his death in 1979. I left shortly after that. We all knew straight away what had happened to him at the hands of the police, and nothing can diminish the feeling of anger at the lies, the cover-ups, the closing of ranks and the demonisation of the anti-fascist left that went on for decades. I have only good memories, Dave. Except for that terrible wallpaper in his flat that appears in some of the somewhat unflattering photos of him that we have. I have to assume that he inherited it and probably never even noticed it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Musket Date: 25 Aug 15 - 06:40 AM Guinness is Guinness is Guinness and it all comes from the same well near the brewery, as opposed to The Liffey. The horseshit about best in Ireland is great for the tourist dollars in Templebar, but as someone who has lived and worked in most parts of the world including ironically Dublin, I can say that properly kept draft Guinness, allowed to settle for a minute (not the four bloody days some Irish bars insist for voodoo reasons) before pouring in the last drop is the same anywhere. It travels well, and to be honest, will get less jogging in the lorry going to most places in The UK, straight from the brewery to North Wall docks and onto decent motorways in The UK than trying to get to some Godforsaken village beyond the peat bogs on the West coast. When travelling, I tended to opt for it wherever as at least you know what you are getting, whether it be in Sydney, Singapore, Seattle or Sunderland. When I lived in Munich, I fell in love with Weissbier, but that's another story. And Guinness has been just Irish since the UK production ceased, although it is still brewed for bottles in Nigeria, (tastes different to be fair) and one or two other places for local consumption, according my when I did the brewery tour last. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Aug 15 - 06:44 AM "Guinness is Guinness is Guinness and it all comes from the same well near the brewery, as opposed to The Liffey." Thhen why does it taste different over here? It most certainly does. Jim carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 15 - 07:25 AM "She was quite promiscuous, to the point where dating her was similar to the experience of sitting on a warm toilet seat" T she was quite promiscuous, to the point where dating her was similar to the experience of sitting on a warm toilet seat" Tucker Max |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Liz the Squeak Date: 25 Aug 15 - 07:56 AM I'm rather fond of Crabbe's Alcoholic Ginger Beer, although the Sainsburys Own AGB is equally good... a little less sweet and just as gingery. :-P LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Kampervan Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:13 AM I know I'm compounding thread drift, but I just throw this in on the Guiness debate. At the time when the Park Royal brewery was still in operation I met one of their brewers socially and asked him about the supposed difference between the Dublin and London brewed products. He said that they were indeed deliberately being made slightly differently because the English were not patient enough to wait for a pint to be pulled in the Irish way and the English version was made to settle more quickly. Whether they now make a different version in Dublin specially to be shipped over here I don't know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Kampervan Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:14 AM EEeeeekkk I just mis-spelled Guinness!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:21 AM With the noble exceptions of G&T and the odd glass of port or Madeira, sweet booze doesn't do it for me at all. Well, that is if you don't count Baileys on ice cream. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:24 AM Not a huge fan of the commercial ginger beers available in bottles but Ginger Tom from Robinsons is very nice as is Ginger Mable from Manchester's Marble brewery. I think the difference may be that the former is brewed as Ginger Beer and alcohol is added while the latter are brewed as beer and ginger is added in the mix. I don't really know but I am pretty good at making things up... :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:27 AM As far as I know, the "settling" of Guinness has nothing to do with its basic ingredients and everything to do with the nitrogen gas that is injected into it to make it foam and the mechanical action of the gizmo fitted to the tap on the bar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Kampervan Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:39 AM You may be right Steve, I was merely passing on what I had been told by a Guinness brewer. Is all draught guinness injected with 'beer gas' (nitrogen/CO2 mix)now? When did that start? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST,Musket Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:43 AM Kampervan. I can confirm from being sad enough to recall what they say on the brewery trip. It is the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: GUEST Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:45 AM Beware of asking for "a ginger", if you want a ginger beer in the west of Scotland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Aug 15 - 08:46 AM My mate used to work at BOC and they started selling the mix as 'Hospitality Gas'. Of course it soon got re-branded by the staff as 'Hostility Gas' :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Sigh From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Aug 15 - 09:06 AM I'm not saying that draught Guinness is not a palatable quaff, but it is NOT real ale and doesn't get anywhere close. It is filtered, pasteurised and served under gas pressure. Everything that was wrong with mass-produced keg beers in the miserable 70s. In fact, draught Guinness is probably even more mucked about with than they were when you take into account the shenanigans needed to get that head on it. Faint kudos to Guinness for producing a distinctive and popular product, but beer aficionados will look elsewhere. |
