BS: Ane Salmont Fissche

Subject: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 04:11 AM

Glasgow 29 May 1576.

Hart, wrang.

Johne Kar is fund in the wrang and amarciament of court for turbelans done be him to Katerane Hart in streking of hir upone the mouthe with ane salmont fissche, and dwme gewin thairupone.

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 04:17 AM

Salmon as an assault weapon.... Hmmm... there's an idea!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Michael
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 06:54 AM

Or is it just a cod mesage?

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Megan L
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 07:00 AM

personally I think this is a bit of a red herring

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 07:19 AM

Is this the plaice for this wrasse sort of comment?

When a fish hits your face,
and it's not a bit of plaice,
It's a moray....

I'll stop carping on now.

I'll get me pike.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: John O'L
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 07:21 AM

"...and dwme gewin thairupone"...?

Something's fishy here...

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 09:11 AM

"...and dwme gewin thairupone" -> "and judgement given thereupon"

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 09:13 AM

Paul, I think you have too much time on your hands! LOL

Should have just told her to byte her thumb and do a Finn. She'd have all the answers then!



















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Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 09:32 AM

A few sandwiches short of a picnic if ask me.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Bee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 10:48 AM

I'm dying to know why he smacked her with a salmon - gotta be a good story there.

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: wysiwyg
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 10:55 AM

A good story? Or the same old story-- a man hitting a woman, and we want to know why she "deserved" it?

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 11:19 AM

I don't think it's so much as why he hit the woman, heaven knows there's usually only one reason, but more; why with a salmon?

It's not unknown though... in J Meade Faulkener's "Moonfleet", Maskew the magistrate struck the Reverend Mr Glennie upon the cheek with a fish which the boys of Rev Glennie's school later cooked on the stove and ate.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: GUEST,PMB
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 11:31 AM

Sadly they seldom give any background. I suspect it was all a bit like the fights in Asterix. Glasgow must have been a lively place in the 16th century.

Andersone, Steyne, wrangis.

Marione Jamesone, Jonet Maxuell, Marione Maxuell and Jonet Maxuell, hir dochteris, ar fund in the wrang and amerchiament of court for trublance done be thame to Marione Stene, spous to James Andersone, carter, in stryking of hir, scartyng of hir and dynging hir to the erd, vpone the last daye of Marche; and the said Marione is fund in the wrang, for stryking of Jonet Maxuell, yonger; and als the said James Andersone is fund in the wrang for stryking of Jonet Maxuell, spous to George Wilsoun; and siclik, the said George is fund in the wrang for invadyng of the said James with ane drawin quhyngar, and dwme gevin thairupone.

Craig, wrang.

The quhilk daye, Thomas Craig, cordiner, is fund in the wrang for non-comperance; and als for the transportyng of the gallows at his awin hand furtht of the auld accustomat place sa neir hand the towne; and is ordanit to repone the samyn agane.

I think perhaps the "gallows" was either a crane or a weighing machine. This and much more at British History Online. generally, in these extracts, the "mercat" is the market, rather than a photogenic social beastie.

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 12:43 PM

No... the gallows were exactly what they sound like. It seems as if he didn't want them where they were (bad for business maybe? They didn't take the bodies away as they did later, but left them as a grisly warning), and 'at his own hand' i.e., on his own account, with no permission, took them from the old accustomed place so near and handy for the town, and put them elsewhere. It looks like he was ordered to put them back again.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 01:04 PM

"...Oh I have brought you gold
And I have paid your fee
But better still someone has moved
The lonely gallows tree."

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: John O'L
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 06:49 PM

dwme = doom.

I see.

Still seems fishy for mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Ane Salmont Fissche
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Jan 08 - 06:52 PM

I'd think that a cod or an eel would have been a better weapon, but it's not my plaice to decide. Besides, I wouldn't be born for a few hundred more years.