BS: US Internet political speech regulations

Subject: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:55 PM

Here it comes...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/08/politics/main659955.shtml


Republicans are already saying "You didn't expect the internet wild west to last forever did you?"

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 02:59 PM

First ya change the laws. Then ya burn the books. Then ya shoot the teachers. Gotta love it when a plan comes together, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:06 PM

This is somewhat off topic but I found out yesterday they are teaching my 8 year old creationism in his MD public school.
Not only that but he is to Capitalize every letter in the word CREATOR.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:18 PM

I am in a Catholic school. We teach Creationism and Darwinism.

My basic philosophy for years has been that God made it and Darwin explained it. Lets the wind out of the sails very gently.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: beadie
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:23 PM

The Creator lit the fuse on the firecracker that set off the big bang.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 03:24 PM

When information is given to the public by a person paid or employed by the person about whom that information is presented, that paid person is called a lobbyist (if you follow that tortuous sentence). Lobbyists have definite rules for their activities. Why would not a Blogger who just 'happens' to be a paid person have to follow those same rules?

Donuel: "Not only that but he is to Capitalize every letter in the word CREATOR." That is a new thing to me. I am familiar with the instruction to capitalize various nomenclature like God, He, Him, etc. Is it possible your son misunderstood? Otherwise, I think there is something else going on.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:00 PM

First amendment right exceptions create a slippery slope in a hurry.
If those exceptions were to prevent media monopolies - well then they failed .
Re. 3rd grade MD public school curriculum
Here is his reading assignment verbatum: exactly as printed

Buffaloes ate people.

A long time ago buffaloes used to eat people It is true! The hair on their chins is the hair of the people they used to eat.

Ya-a-a-a-a..... It is terrible to think about those times. One day Crow called all the animals and people to the plains for a meeting.

The CREATOR stood on the highest hilltop and asked, "Is it right that buffaloes eat people or should people eat buffaloes?"

The Creator decided that the animals and the people should run a race to decide who should eat what.

The animals joined with the buffaloes because they have four legs. The birds joined with the people because they have 2 legs

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Frankly folks I do not understand the educational value of this curriculum. It reads more like an SNL script of a Mississippi classroom.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Once Famous
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:05 PM

Actually I have been a lobbyist many times at the Hilton, 4 Seasons, even Motel 6.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:13 PM

I respect the right of parents and students to believe as they wish. I have come to preface remarks about either view by say, "Some/many people believe this. You are entitled to believe as you do. You are also entitled to learn about the views of others."

The stuff about the buffalo--look, I never did enough of anything in the 1960s to relate to that.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: jeffp
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:25 PM

Sounds like a Native American story.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:31 PM

If the above is a reading assignment, it's not a big deal. If it's for a science class, it is. As to teaching creationism as science, there's a case to be made for separation of church and state and religious descrimination. At least unless they're also teaching creationism according to every other religions. Personally, I like the one about the Great Turtle. (It was Native American before it was Terry Pratchett.) Of course, that only explains the earth, not the universe.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Peace
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:41 PM

All cultures have creation stories. None of them make a pile of sense. However, I teach a number at various times: Inuit, Biblical, Native North American, etc. I am fortunate in that I have only once been taken to task for it--and that was in the public system. I countered with--"It's literature, and you don't choose what I choose to choose from the curriculum." That was that.

I have not brought aspects of Catholicism into literature unless there was darned good reason to. The Church today accepts Adam and Eve as allegorical; I always have. It's nice when the institutions catch up with their congregations.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: DougR
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:25 PM

The CBS article clearly states that apparantly no laws were broken. So what's the big deal?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:46 PM

It appears to me, DougR, that the only reason that no logs were broken is that the law has not yet caught up with the Internet Age. But given the definition of lobbyists, there would be a good place to start.

The creation story sounds very much like various stories in Alaska. Read how RAVEN discoveed MAN or how light came to be in the world. We do capitalize many of those terms- although I don't know how that came about, because of their being oral history, rather than written narratives.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 05:47 PM

It strikes me that Donuel was putting a bit of a spin on the facts in that first post.

I suppose if they'd had the Just So Stories in a reading class that'd be distortion and propaganda too. All that stuff about how the Elephant Child's nose got stretched into a trunk, and unreliable stuff like that...
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I think some kind of safeguard against people pretending to be trustworthy, but lying through their teeth wouldn't be a bad idea.

They could start with the politicians and the mainstream press and mass media and the advertising indistry. Once they've got that lot sorted out it might be time to move on to the Internet.

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Bobert
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 06:12 PM

Not to fear, folks...

The more effort that the Bush regime makes to curb 1st ammendment rights the better...

(Hunh, Bobert???)

That's right. If the opposition party wasn'r sufficiently motivated last month, come '06, they will be...

Plus, I know the Supremes are partisan but I have some level of faith that there are enough existing precedents to make it hard for them to be as activist as Bush would like...

Plus, Part 2... Iraq is going to bring down the neocons.

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: GUEST,Burke
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 07:29 PM

Goble, Paul; Goble, Paul, illus. The Great Race. Reprint of 1985 ed. New York, NY: Aladdin Books; 1991. 28 pages. (elementary) *.

This is a retelling of a Sioux and Cheyenne legend about long ago when buffalo ate people. The Creator saw how the people suffered, and with the help of Crow, brought all living things together for a race between the four-legged and the two-legged animals to determine who would win power over all the animals. Miraculously, Magpie, the slowest of all birds, won the race for the two-legged animals. Sources are cited for this legend, which includes appealing full -color illustrations.

Found here

Subject: RE: BS: US Internet political speech regulations
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 08:36 PM

Fantastic research.
As creation stories go it may not fit the mold of many examples Joseph Campbell cites but it does bring up the common question of who eats who.

I don't think repressive laws will be necessary for government control of the internet. Access will be (and has been) controled by pressuring the providers.