BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:21 AM

"moderators on mudcat who openly say they look forward to the destruction of America"

Damn. I must have missed that...

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 05:19 AM

I believe you, Physics Major. Indeed, it is not the first time someone comes to Mudcat asking perfectly sensible and innocuous questions, seeking the truth behind what seems to be a web of lies surrounding the whole 9/11 business, only to be met with derogatory remarks. But some of us can glimpse the truth, so please, please persevere...

You will find more supporting evidence here and also in this thread. There is also something about it in Wikipedia, that is if the dark forces haven't interfered with it already.

But of course those who don't want to believe cannot be persuaded by rational argument. Still, don't give up. You know what is right - fight for the truth!




Laugh - I nearly sh*t myself.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:24 AM

"it is not whale excrement it is re-gurgitated.."

Oh, sorry, You're right, it's not whale shit, it's whale puke...

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:08 AM

Does anyone have a recipe for banana bread? I'd really appreciate one, but please put measurements in ounces or grams, NOT 'cups'. I don't have any cups, only some very large mugs that I bought at Tesco, so I'm unable to measure in 'cups'.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:21 AM

A (US) cup is a volume measurement, and is just about 235 millilitres.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:23 AM

Many years ago I knew two women that dated married men over and over again. And then they would bemoan the fact that the relationship "just didn't work out". Bullshit. They repeatedly set themselves up for failure because they wanted to suffer. I think our "guest" "Physics Major" , "Froth", whoever suffers from a similar problem. YMMV.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:26 AM

There once was a man from Nantucket....

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:51 AM

Little Hawk is absolutely right. These types of threads always draw out the usual suspects who regurgitate their entrenched opinions ad nauseum.

And the chief usual suspect is, of course, Little Hawk himself, who can be depended upon to come around and remind us once again that these types of threads always draw out the usual suspects who regurgitate their entrenched opinions ad nauseum.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: bobad
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:18 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:53 AM

Actually, when I first read the conspiracy theories, I was horrified and intrigued. So I investigated them, read, watched assorted documentaries, even endured the ridicule of friends and relatives until I reached the conclusion that the theories are nonsense. No pre-conceived decision. I was hoping baby bush was behind it. Alas, he wasn't.

It works both ways. Some of us looked into it with an open mind and disagreed with the theories.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:21 PM

The most open minded person in the world wouldn't be convinced of anything by the story in the link that began this thread. Nor was that the intention, as GUEST,of-many-names has admitted.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 12:30 PM

Got that right, Bee-Dub. Expect more of the same soon. We just cannot help being ourselves, can we? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 02:11 PM

"But their grandkids are being taught that the old folks are just in the way, and the U.S. rocks! Kill the Arabs! Old folks saw this in Germany, and it's happening here, and no one should be allowed to close their eyes to it. Deny it if they must, but they have to be made to watch."

ummm...you wanna clarify that, oh Learned One? That sounds periously close to something that would get you banned from most sites.

"...so many here are older, and it's hard for the old to accept change."

So, I assume YOU are young? And that you don't believe YOU will have wisdom and perspective to sort out truth from nonsense when if YOU get old?

and yes, I am a philosopher...certified and with degree, so *I* have official permission to pass judgment on your logic and reasoning....you get about a D-. Retake Basic reasoning 101 and we'll see if we can get you past your stumbling blocks...ok?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 07:58 PM

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:02 PM

Don, I must say that your above post has more than a thousand times the logic and brilliance of anything that Froth/Physics Major/Dicklessjabone has ever posted here.

Good job!!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:10 PM

Oops! Premature submit.

I gather from GUEST,Phisicks Major's remarks about all the "old people" here on Mudcut (and "old people" in general; definition:   anyone who is no longer in their 'teens) that he, she, or it must be barely out of pubescence. Well, that sort of thing is understandable, I guess, in those whose brains are still in the process of developing.

Kinda reminds me of--who was it, Abbie Hoffman?--who said "Never trust anyone over thirty!" It was a fairly satisfying day when Hoffman's thirtieth birthday came rolling along. (Snicker snicker). Remarks like that do tend to sneak up and bite you in the ass.

Don Firth (my computer's in the shop. I'm using my wife's.)

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 08:54 PM

I can't decide - Fox's U-Bet or Bosco?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:10 PM

Well Don, Abbie had 22 non-trustworthy years before he may or may not have committed suicide when he was 52.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 09:13 PM

Not that Don was paying any attention at the time, but it wasn't Abbie who said that famous quote. Your right Don, sometimes quotes do bite you in the ass.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:00 PM

". . . over thirty!"

I can't remember off-hand now who it was who said it, but it was a real mantra for some hard-charging young-uns back in the Sixties. Not much sense of history or of the future.

To any smart-assed kid who mades snide remarks about "old people," I figure "Just wait. . . ."

"Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels," as my drinking uncle used to say.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 10:06 PM

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 11:56 PM

Was it Jerry Rubin?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Fitzgerald
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:09 AM

The laws of PHYSICS changed on 9/11.

Now, fire from airplane fuel burning at 1800 degrees can melt structural steel whuch normally starts to melt at 2700 degrees.

Happy Studies, y'all PHYSICS students out there, and PH.D. researchers too!

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:31 AM

Rubin supposedly said it during the DNC in 68, but the saying goes back further. Jack Weinberger, a civil rights activist, had used the phrase in 1964.

Like "don't eat yellow snow", we probably will never know who said it first.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:33 AM

By the way, Weinberg said it when he was being questioned about government plants in the civil rights movement. In an attempt to find out what was being planned, the government sent stooges to infiltrate.   The saying "don't trust anyone over 30" was meant to be careful about who you are talking to.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:48 PM

It was Harry Lee Wigley who said "don't eat yellow snow" first.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 01:48 PM

I thought it was some anonymous Yeti.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 03:55 PM

Now, fire from airplane fuel burning at 1800 degrees can melt structural steel whuch normally starts to melt at 2700 degrees.

Perhaps one of the things you'll learn about as a physics major is what we potters call "heat work". The basic idea is that heat-induced change is not the result of temperature alone, but the cumulative result of temperature plus duration of exposure. Potters monitor firings by use of pyrometric cones which deform (melt) in a predictable manner determined by the amount of heat work done, not strictly by the temperature reached. The same cone deformation can be achieved by "soaking" a kiln for a couple of hours at 2150ºF as by rapidly raising the temperature to 2300ºF.

Also, fuels can be induced to yield temperatures far above their "maximum burning temperature" by increasing surface area, increasing air flow, and confining combustion to a chamber. Potters who fire their kilns with wood routinely achieve temperatures in the 2300ºF range even though the "maximum burning temperature" of wood is said to be around 1100ºF.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:01 PM

You should be proud that the only skyscraper to fall in this manner was built in the good ol USA USA USA

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Physics Major
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 02:27 PM

The 40 story Deutsche Bank building next to the ground zero site in New York, where the world trade center once stood, caught fire yesterday and burned intensely for seven hours without collapsing

This represents another modern day miracle in light of the commonly accepted premise that since 9/11, all steel buildings that suffer limited fire damage implode within two hours. This building had even suffered structural damage on 9/11 and had been partially dismantled....

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/ground_zero_building_catches_fire_does_not_collapse.htm

ANOTHER one caught fire but didn't collapse. What's going on here? Fire brings down steel buildings. Period. The 911 Commission report said so. Why didn't this building fall?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:32 PM

The 40 story Deutsche Bank did not take the hammer-blow of being struck by 125 tons of airliner traveling at about 300 mph (which, more that likely, popped a few rivets in the girders that hold the building together), and immediately thereafter get anointed with 11,000 gallons of accelerant (burning jet fuel), nicely distributed by pouring itself down elevator shafts and stairwells.

Nor, in the case of Building 7, did it have a 65,000 gallon tank of diesel fuel (which had already been tagged as dangerous) in the basement explode.

Just because one steel building remains standing during a fire doesn't mean that another will.

That straw isn't going to keep you afloat, Froth.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 03:51 PM

Don't bother Don. She still can't answer the question about Foxs U-Bet or Bosco.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 04:01 PM

"...Fire brings down steel buildings. Period. The 911 Commission report said so."

Pooh! That's not what the Commission said, and you know it!

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 04:08 PM

Why do you say "she"? Are you sure who the person is?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 04:13 PM

Yes I am.   Don't forget, I am part of the consipracy as a government agent and we know exactly where she lives (Cleveland). The black helicopters are circling.   She is actually the third person to take up the mantle, the other two were terminated. Our jobs are never done.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth (computer still in the shop)
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 04:34 PM

And I'm Station Head of the West Coast office.

Don Firth (I carry a Walther PPK and drive an Aston Martin DB-5 with lots of neat options.)

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 04:41 PM

hey! Here I am just 30 minutes from the White House, and all *I* have is sharp lathe tools and sharp wit! I get Bush's helicopters going OVER me on the way to Camp David, and not even a missile handy!....

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 05:26 PM

Heh! Well, Bill, if you did fire one I think your own demise would follow in very short order, so be glad...

We'd all get to read about you in the paper.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: bobad
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 07:48 PM

"I get Bush's helicopters going OVER me on the way to Camp David, and not even a missile handy!...."

Careful Bill, remember Arlo's words from "The Pause Of Mr. Claus":

"And within two minutes, and not two minutes from when he
hangs up the phone, but two minutes from when he first put
the dime in, they got 30,000 feet of tape rollin'; files on tape;
pictures, movies, dramas, actions on tape. But then they send
out a half a million people all over the entire world, the globe,
they find out all they can about this guy."

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Physics Major
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 08:32 PM

No, guys. It was fire that weakened the steel to the point of initiation of collapse. The temperatures were hundreds of degrees below what's (if you believe in science), but it was fire that caused the collapse of the towers. And WTC7's collapse was blamed on diesel fuel first, but that was 6 explanations ago. I'm not sure what the government is saying caused it now. The firefighters say it was a demolition job, but then what do they know?

I'm just amazed the Deutsch Bank building didn't collapse. Seven hours of that heat, and a collapse didn't follow. Something's wrong here.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 09:56 PM

And which firemen are these?

Perhaps you need glasses, Froth. Let me help you:

Just because one steel building remains standing during a fire doesn't mean that another will.

You're flunking physics, I take it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 10:09 PM

It was beauty that killed the beast.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 01:17 AM

There ain't a single one of you that is half as smart as he thinks he is.

Oh, and talk's cheap. I got a nickel for all I've heard from you bozos. And with that, ya still owe me 3 cents.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 09:45 AM

That would make half of us who are twice as smart as one of you put together.   Talk isn't that cheap - check your internet provider bill. You us a dime!

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 11:47 AM

"I'm just amazed the Deutsch Bank building didn't collapse. Seven hours of that heat, and a collapse didn't follow. Something's wrong here."

WTC7 had an atrium/ampitheater on the ground floor, extending up about 3 floors...a large open space, bridged by several special trusses. These were subjected to 7-8 hours of fire(probably from the diesel fuel line which ran beside them), along with the damage to the structure caused by debris from the collapsing tower.

The Deutche Bank did not.

Why do YOU want all buildings to behave exactly the same, when they are NOT the same?

You have an opinion, and you are trying to pick & choose among all the facts to support YOUR opinion.

(Oh, by the way...I saw last night an interview with a **professional** demolition expert whose company spent weeks on the WTC7 site, digging and taking photos. They found NO evidence of 'controlled demolition'...no burnt fuses, no evidence of beams cut by shaped charges, no blasting cap residue, no strapping meterial used for placement of charges...NOTHING!) I assume he was just paid to lie, hmmm?

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 07:17 PM

Yeah Bill, I saw that too and really enjoyed it. Of course the truth and reality mean very little to Physics Crapper but they had a nice profile of his type as well. Interesting stuff.

Still waiting for the blowjob Physic...........If you don't wanna', that'skay. Kiss My Ass instead!!!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 07:21 PM

Bill/Spaw...where was that? I may go looking for a rerun.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 07:28 PM

it was on....The Discovery Channel??? I go thru the clicks and don't always remember where it was.

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 08:25 PM

Hey Art......Actually it was The History Channel and it will be on again.

History Channel Link to 9/11 Progrgam


Enjoy!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: China's skyscraper, Fire & 9/11
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 09:54 PM

Thanks...got it.