BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 12:46 AM

another posting quoting from the website of Douglas O. Linder, inwhich, I believe I have already stated, contains US government documents, which, at best, could be labelled as unsafe. it is my belief, after studying the documentation, that the Us Government wanted someone, anyone, to pay for the crimes of murdering the FBI agents. A similar thing occurred in Brtain with the bombings in Birmingham and Guilford, the attitude was, "pick some random Irish and charge them with terrorist attacks in the name of the IRA, wrongful accusations, wrongful imprisonment. In the case of the Guilford Four, Gerry Conlon, Paul Hill, Patrick Armstrong and Carole Richardson, The bombings were at the height of The Troubles in Northern Ireland. The Metropolitan Police were under enormous pressure to apprehend the IRA bombers responsible for the attacks in England. In December 1974 the police arrested the three men and the woman.
They were falsely convicted of the bombings in October 1975, and held in prison for fifteen years, during which Gerry Conlon's father, Patrick "Giuseppe" Conlon died in prison. Their convictions were later overturned in the appeal courts after it was proved the convictions had been based on confessions obtained by torture, whilst evidence clearing them was not reported by the police.......

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 07:43 AM

One does not have to single out "the Peltier case" to see that it is difficult to overturn a significant guilty court verdict. There are many people who face that same dilema, in and outside of the USA.

That being said, a legal process does exist, and people do get court rulings overturned (or at a minimum get freed). This occurs more often where a very compelling case exists.

I suspect that cases involving clear and coldly executed death (and, especially the killing of law enforcement officers), make such appeals even more difficult, in all countries. But, that should not be a surprise.

If a person is seen as violent (potential violence is not always seen to be mitigated by being locked up in jail), associated with other crimes, or a member of an extreme political movement, would anyone expect freedom not to be even more challenging to achieve?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 02:38 PM

Greg... "You haven't read the material..."

Incorrect on your part. Go back and actually read my posts rather than taking snippets and attempting to twist them around to suit what you believe, incorrectly, to be an actual arguement which has any bearing on the logical discussion at hand. It is quite obvious I did read enough to provide backup for my arguements. Your statement is false. You obviously cannot add things up... obvious because you have posted the obvious in your own words.

I suggest you have a few ales and relax rather than posting such inane crap. It really makes you look bad when you fuck up THAT royally and try to squirm your way out with posting falsehoods.

And that's my last post... unless you wanna post some more inane and untruthful absofuckinglutely bullshit crap... outright LIES... about me.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:01 PM

Gnu - whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:24 PM

"Whatever"? No apology? That shows class that does.

gnightgnu

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:38 PM

No apology?

Nope. Just inane and untruthful absofuckinglutely bullshit crap & outright lies.

Sleep well.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: gnu
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 06:47 PM

I'll accept a confession. Especially since your own words prove you guilty beyond ANY doubt. And, *I* WILL sleep well. Not so sure about you.

You keep posting and so will I. Or, you can drop it and, as I said before, I will say gnightgnu for good on this thread. Up to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 07:04 PM

Go Down You Murderers (The Ballad Of Tim Evans)

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 08:14 PM

He did! No he didn't! Yes he did! No he didn't! Yes he did! No he didn't! He did too! NO he DIDN'T!! Yes he DID!!! etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: ollaimh
Date: 14 Oct 11 - 09:56 PM

what is being ignored by mamny is that the lakota people were in a civil war and at war with the american government. the usa was ruling pine ridge reservation like they ruled many a central american country through a local dictator and a goon squad. in this case the goon squad was actuallt called the goons(guardians of the oglala nation) armed by the bureau of indian affairs. the fbi were also targeting the native traditionalists and activists who were forming a loose coalition under the aim banner.

the long and the short is the representative sof the unites states government and the fbi murdered hundreds of natives. when this was put before the courts in the first trial all were aquitted. in addition to the faked evidence the fbi colluded and or committed murder on the pine ridge reservation. this was all an extension of the racist genocide committed aginst american natives to take their country. it was similar in canada in gustaffsoon lake.

the level of violence committed by fbi and their proxies was unconscionable. then they faked affidavits to get peltier extradited from canada. the affidavits were later shown to be perjury but no action was taken against the fbi perjurers and peltier was already in the usa.

the whole thing was a part of the ongoing racism of the united states government against the one people they can never let up on. natives, at least they can never let up untill they are mostly dead. the souix still have a legitimate legal claim to a sovereign nation under the ft laramie treaty and the us supremem court agreed but offered only a cash settlement rather than a return of part of the land. the souix have remained strong in rejecting that offer. they want their land..

the whole peltier case stinks to the high heavens. not only was he not involved in the killings he was part of the group targeted by the bri and their proxies. their remains no direct evidence linking him to the murders and they were not mruders to start with, natives were defending their lands from the illegal intrusions by government agents--which was conformed by the first trial. the second trial was a put up job and no one at any level was prepared to defy the fbi.

it is a sin how peltier had been treated in jail.

having been a lawyer i really should write a book on the consistent depravation of natives legal civil and human rights in the courts of canada and the united states. i british columbia they tried to charge a man defending natives with contempt of court for saying that the judiciary had been involved in a racist conspiracy. this was so controversial they got clayton ruby from ontario to review the ethics of this. ruby said yes its contepmt of court but its true, and we shouldn't punish people for speaking the truth in court. so one of the top lawyers in canada said it was true. does any one need more. out courts have never treated natives fairly. they didn't even allow natives to sue into the seventies in most provinces, nor to appeal convictions without approval from indian affairs. people are upset about israeli apartheid, well it's canada and the usa that are the apartheid states.under south african apartheid the courts all went along as well, as they did in nazi germany--really courts ultimately do what the power brokers weant. occasionally they do some good and then the powerfull get rid of that loop hole.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:03 AM

Curious:
Don't they encourage the use of upper case letters in legal school, ollaimh?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:05 AM

Please, ollaimh, write that book. x

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:32 AM

Maybe the guy is innocent. Maybe the the guy got a raw deal in the legal system. Maybe the guy is mistreated in jail, beyond the treatment of others. Maybe the case deserves another legal review?

If that were the case, why not focus on that and put direct information forward (not lot loads of indirect loosely related web links about the indian movement, law enforcement and the legal system in general).

Is a goal is to convert the open minded, or to reinforce the already converted?

Draging one or more conspiracy theories into it, and asking people to read "loads of somewhat indirectly related material" on the courts, IMO, does nothing more than discredit valid points, and turn logical thinlkers off.

Consider this:

10-conspiracy theories


The Conspiracy Theory Detector

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 03:14 PM

That book's already been written. In the Spirit of Crazy Horse by author Peter Matthiesen

In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 03:41 PM

Two men killed by him and he should go free? Nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 03:46 PM

believe as you wish Q...many others differ in opinion, legal minds included in that group

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:03 PM

I tend to lean towards Q and gnu's position. Mainly, because I have faith in the legal system.

However, I do not rule out that mistakes are made, and history has proven that innocent people are put behind bars because their is a "human" factor and a bias in the enforcement part of the legal system. So, based on that, I am open to evidence directly related to this one case. Please put it forward (and not web links to library-sized documents).


Note, that like many, I am closed to all the conspiracy theories, generalizations about the legal system and truckloads (or web-loads) of personal opinions about indirect stuff and fictional pieces, or opinions of people who seek a cause to be placed in the entertainment spotlight. I am sympathetic to the significant emotion around the case. But, beyond that, in the end, heartfelt wishes does little that really matters to unlock jail doors.

Please do logical thinkers a service by posting this evidence, or "information" directly related to the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:08 PM

OOPs., I was Guest, reset cookie.

I tend to lean towards Q and gnu's position. Mainly, because I have faith in the legal system.

However, I do not rule out that mistakes are made, and history has proven that innocent people are put behind bars because their is a "human" factor and a bias in the enforcement part of the legal system. So, based on that, I am open to evidence directly related to this one case. Please put it forward (and not web links to library-sized documents).


Note, that like many, I am closed to all the conspiracy theories, generalizations about the legal system and truckloads (or web-loads) of personal opinions about indirect stuff and fictional pieces, or opinions of people who seek a cause to be placed in the entertainment spotlight. I am sympathetic to the significant emotion around the case. But, beyond that, in the end, heartfelt wishes does little that really matters to unlock jail doors.

Please do logical thinkers a service by posting this evidence, or "information" directly related to the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 04:39 PM

it's amusing to read about the effect Peter Matthiesen had on some folk at the time, it's safe to say, I think, that he scared the crap out of a few people.....example:

Bill Janklow, the former Republican state attorney general and governor of South Dakota, and David Price, an agent with the FBI, filed libel suits against Viking Press for contents of the book. Janklow also filed a suit against the author Matthiessen. In an unusual action, he filed a suit against three South Dakota booksellers for selling copies of the book. Viking Press filed a countersuit against Janklow, which in part alleged he had interfered with the company's constitutional rights to publish and distribute the book. The lawsuits prevented the book from being published in paperback for eight years

reads to me like someone/someones had something to hide, oh and yes I have read the book, a number of times

Ed T is right, conspiracy theories are decidedly unhelpful in any context.They sometimes make amusing reading but in general are tiresome to the extreme.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 05:15 PM

One does not have to single out "the Peltier case" to see that it is difficult to overturn a significant guilty court verdict. There are many people who face that same dilema, in and outside of the USA.

True but with the recent appeal Knox. I found it interesting to note that some US writers commented that she was fortunate to be in Italy rather than home in the USA.

I suspect that cases involving clear and coldly executed death (and, especially the killing of law enforcement officers), make such appeals even more difficult, in all countries. But, that should not be a surprise.

That may well be true but I hope you are not suggesting that a system that operates in such a manner can be considered just.

If a person is seen as violent (potential violence is not always seen to be mitigated by being locked up in jail), associated with other crimes, or a member of an extreme political movement, would anyone expect freedom not to be even more challenging to achieve?

Similarly I trust you are not suggesting that a wrongful conviction can possibly be justified for these reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:37 PM

No, Guest Jon, I am not suggesting anything you allude to.

Each case has to be looked at on it's own circumstances/merits. Clouding the issue by dragging up other indirect, (and, even remote) cases and issues, IMO, merely clouds the case to be made. Considering so many people seem to believe in this mans innocence, surely a more direct case can be presented?

So, what do you, yourself, have to offer to advance the case of this mans innocence? I am merely asking, Where's the beef?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 06:59 PM

Ed T, I was merely asking where you stood in relation to your comments but...

I've no feeling believe either way as to his guilt or innocence but, reading the wikipedia article, I find this for example:

An FBI ballistics expert testimony during the trial asserted that a shell case found near the dead agents' bodies matched the rifle tied to Peltier. He said that a forensics test of the firing pin, which would have more definitively matched the gun to the cartridge case, was not performed because the gun was damaged in the fire. A less definitive test indicated that the extractor marks on the case and rifle matched.

Years later, after an FOIA request, the FBI ballistics expert's records were examined. His report said that he had performed a ballistics test of the firing pin and concluded that the cartridge case from the scene of the crime did not come from the rifle tied to Peltier. That evidence was withheld from the jury during the trial.

as well as other doubts.

If true, I can not see how Peltier's conviction can be considered safe and believe he should be allowed an appeal or retrial.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 07:04 PM

"The subject who is truly loyal to the Chief Magistrate will neither advise nor submit to arbitrary measures.

-Junius

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:26 PM

BTNG

I would not recommend Wiki as a source, as quality control is questionable. But, if you read farther down on the Wiki account you will see that trial appeal (s) did occur. I suspect if credible new evidence is put forward (that are viewed by the judiciary as significant enough), it would be considered,as with other crimial cases.

Here are some more reliable sources, the court documents:US vs LEONARD PELTIER


Check out a trial appeal account of the ballistic evidence. It seems different from what you posted from Wiki

""The ballistics expert testified that he was unable to fire the weapon because of its condition. He was, however, able to remove the bolt, place it on another AR-15, and conduct limited comparisons"".

Appeal document

While you state you have ""no feeling believe either way as to his guilt or innocencehave"" I find it surprising you would base your belief that "" he should be allowed an appeal or retrial"" based on a wikipedia article?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:31 PM

I suspect if credible new evidence is put forward (that are viewed by the judiciary as significant enough), it would be considered,as with other crimial cases.

Perhaps with regards to your

I suspect that cases involving clear and coldly executed death (and, especially the killing of law enforcement officers), make such appeals even more difficult

you must agree that the system is likely to be loaded against him in terms of what they would be prepared to consider significant.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:43 PM

""Perhaps with regards to your""

Huh?


""you must agree that the system is likely to be loaded against him in terms of what they would be prepared to consider significant.""

I don't have to agree with that, but I do, for what my opinion is worth :)

I would expect (as I noted earlier) that it is an uphill battle to appeal any trial result, but one involving coldly executed murder (regardless of who did it), and more expectedly one involving the death of any enforcement official it is really a steep slope. The weight of the evidence would need to be compelling and sound for a good prognosis of success.

I suspect legal representatives in other homicide cases involding law enforcemet officials have a similar steep slope to climb.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Oct 11 - 09:51 PM

Huh?

I thought I was quoting you with "I suspect that cases involving clear and coldly executed death (and, especially the killing of law enforcement officers), make such appeals even more difficult"

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 08:32 AM

Below is an interesting article on trial appeals and what is considered and why in the USA (for those interested in such stuff).


The Law on Error at Trial - USA


It came from here:
Appeal Court Responses to Errors at Trial

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 16 Oct 11 - 10:50 AM

Interesting, thanks Ed.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: ollaimh
Date: 17 Oct 11 - 10:11 PM

the american legal system like the canadian has always been biased against natives. otherwise we would have to face the ethical issue of how we got out freebee contiment.

there is decision after decicison showing this bias.

its relatively easy to aquit a black person who was wrongly convicted because doing so does not challenge out civilization, and succeeding in over tuurning a wrong full conviction against a black person is extremely hard. for a native it's next to impossible.

i worked in the court system for years and rarely saw natives ecieve the same treatment as others. in canada or the united states. those who think otherwise are hiding their heads in the sand and should be ashamed

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Oct 11 - 09:20 AM

I did not see anyone here who indicated any doubt that "the american legal system like the canadian has always been biased against natives". IMO, that is factual.

However, that does not mean that this person is automatically innocent of a crime for which he was tried, and the result was reviewed publically by the same legal system others face, a number of times.
"
IMO, there is no "shame in discussing, or looking into the details of the case, to get a better understanding of it, in an "unbiased" climate, versus one slanted either way.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 04:25 PM

You can listen to Leonard Peltier himself, right here, talking on the phone to Robbie Robertson...

Heartbreaking at times....

Robbie Robertson talking about Leonard Peltier 'Sacrifice'

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 04:41 PM

Please, write, phone, email, do whatever you are able...and share this all around. Thank you.

Leonard Peltier and Amnesty International - Video

Letter from Leonard Peltier himself: "Dear Friends,

For over 35 years I have been in federal prison for crimes I did not commit. Since June 27 the guards have had me in the hole, a small mis...erable cell with little air that is dangerously hot. They are torturing me by keeping me in solitary confinement—this is an effort to break and kill me. However, the public pressure being generated by my many supporters and counsel is making a real difference.

The government wants me to die in here, but I'm not going to. A dynamic new legal team with as lead attorney Robert R. Bryan of San Francisco has brought an innovative approach to the case. He is not going to let them continue to slowly execute me. Robert has launched a complex investigation spanning the entire country. The team also includes Nicole Gibier, my International Legal Liaison, and Cheryl J. Cotterill, associate legal counsel. With the leadership of Dorothy Ninham from the Oneida Reservation, Wisconsin, who I knew long before being arrested, and dedicated volunteers, we are rekindling the movement.

I am innocent. A racist jury tried me. A biased judge would not let me have a fair trial and the prosecution manufactured evidence including a supposed murder weapon. Later on October 15, 1985, the government admitted that it "can't prove who shot those agents." The judge would not even let me prove that the FBI intimidated and tortured witnesses and was engaged in a Reign of Terror—a war against the people on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

Robert's experience, tenacity, and unbridled approach can once and for all win my freedom. He has won countless murder cases and has represented members of the American Indian Movement. Robert successfully defended Jimmy Eagle, indicted for the murder of the two FBI agents in the case for which I was wrongly convicted. He understands the struggle.

To succeed we must have money for my defense. We desperately need your help. Please make a contribution (and indicate that your donation is for the "Legal Defense") to:

Leonard Peltier Defense Offense Committee

PO Box 7488

Fargo, ND 58106

Your can also contact my attorney directly: [e-mail] (Law Offices of Robert R. Bryan, 2107 Van Ness Avenue, Suite 203, San Francisco, California 94109-2572).

I believe in the Spirit of Crazy Horse. They have imprisoned my body, but my spirit soars like an eagle. I will never give up, despite the threats to my health and life from this long imprisonment. I am an innocent man and will continue fighting against the genocide of my people.

In the Spirit of Crazy Horse,

Doksha,

Leonard Peltier

U.S. Penitentiary

Lewisburg, Pennsylvania"

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 07:57 PM

Thank you, Lizzie, for posting those last two entries.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 11:36 PM

"the usa was ruling pine ridge reservation" NOT

Richard A. "Dick" Wilson (April 29, 1934 - January 31, 1990) was elected chairman (also called president) of the Oglala Lakota Sioux of the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota, where he served from 1972-1976, following re-election in 1974. Following complaints about his favoring friends and family in award of jobs and suppressing political opponents with his private militia, Guardians of the Oglala Nation (GOONs), members of the tribal council brought impeachment charges against him in February 1973. The prosecution was unprepared when Wilson said he was ready to go to trial, and the hearing closed without trial. No impeachment proceedings were renewed.

Several hundred Lakota people marched in protest, demanding the removal of Wilson from office. US Marshals were assigned to protect Wilson and his family. AIM leaders and Lakota supporters occupied the town of Wounded Knee, and a 71-day armed siege resulted, known as the Wounded Knee Incident. Two Native Americans were shot and killed and a US Marshal severely wounded during this period. Wilson remained in office and, following the occupation, violence increased on the reservation, with residents reporting attacks by his GOONs. More than 50 of Wilson's opponents died violently in the next three years.

The 1974 tribal chairman election was disputed, and a US Civil Rights Commission investigation showed electoral abuses amid fear and violence, and reported the election as invalid. A federal court upheld the results of the election and Wilson won. Political violence continued on the reservation. After being strongly defeated in the 1976 election for tribal chairman, Wilson moved with his family off the reservation. By 1990 Wilson had returned to Pine Ridge; he was campaigning for a seat on the tribal council at the time of his death.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 08:40 AM

Source, Sawz? Or didja make it up, as usual?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 10:33 AM

Actually Greg F none of it is made up at all, I referenced the following to confirm this.
Your local library may well have copies of the books.

Ruling Pine Ridge. Akim Reihardt Lubbock: Texas Tech University Press.(2007)

In the Spirit of Crazy Horse. Peter Mathiessen New York: Viking.(1991)

The Dull Knives of Pine Ridge. Joe Starita New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons
(1995)

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:58 PM

Think you better re-read Mathiessen's book- wch I have read.

I spent quite a bit of time at Pine Ridge in 1972-73, and have a number of personal friends- both Native American & "white"- who were there throughout the siege in '74.

The seem to remember some things VERY differently.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:14 PM

Or didja make it up, as usual? I never make anything up but you never post anything, made up or not. Just personal attacks that you make up.

Books <> testimony. Books are written to sell so the author can make money. Do you think people might make things up in their book to make money?

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:28 PM

Books are written to sell so the author can make money.

Well, Sawz, you should be writing books. With your innate ability to create mountains of bullshit, you're missing a lot of potential income.

And you still haven't provided a source.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 01:28 PM

memory is a tricky thing, some people remember things they want to remember, distance and time ads to the problem, and Sawzaw, bait and switch is not and attractive trait, it makes me think you have no real opinion at all which in turn makes me think of another chatter who often pulls he bait and switch thing......

a final note Greg T, I noticed you ignored the othe rbooks I listed...hmmm...the attacks on Peter Mathiessen continue ever on, ya know what with the law suits and all (or were those made up to sell book>) I think Mathiessen got something VERY right.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 03:24 PM

I think you misunderstand- I think Mathiessen did a good job. But I'll still go with the Crow Dog family's version of events.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Sawzaw
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 12:41 PM

What does me writing books have to do with the fact that you are referencing books that were written to make money? Where is my profit motive?

This is a flaw in thinking along with the other logical fallacies like ad hominem attacks that you engage in which causes you to not be able to recognize the truth.

You get off on calling people stupid. Why? Is it some sort of defense mechanism that is triggered anytime your convictions are called into question? To your credit, you refrain for calling people a liar.

Perhaps you should defend your assertions rather than launch an ad hominem counter attack.

A search of the vehicle turned of a paper bag containing Jack Coler's [murdered agent's] Smith and Wesson .357 magnum gun. A fingerprint on the bag matched that of Peltier.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: BTNG
Date: 21 Oct 11 - 12:45 PM

so Peltier touched the bag.....mind you lesser evidence than that has hanged women and men before this

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:18 AM

Lots of videos on here:

The AIMs 'Leonard Peltier' Youtube channel


Leonard's letter, set to the music of Robbie Robertson
'Never Forget' by Leonard Peltier (letter from 2010)

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: ollaimh
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 10:15 PM

the american government was making war on the lakota traditionalists. using the the fbi and the bia funded and armed goons. you really can't get more racist than that. the killing of the two fbi agents took place after they had illegally entered private property. at the first trial the jury heard the spurious claim they were chasing a truck reported in an incident. even the testimony of fbi agents and dispachers showed that the trucj being pursued was a different color and make. they was chasing injuns cause injuns have no legal rights against the american government and its armed goons.

well the first trial showed a jury doesn't see it that way. the second trial ofpeltier excluded all the background evidence.essentially the conviction showed that natives cannot defend themselves on their own property from illegal incursions by the armed agents of the invading state.

i addition the fbu committed perjury in the affidavits to secure pertiers extradition. proving that no native can get due process in american courts if he supports native traditional rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 02:34 PM

PLEASE, contact Dr. Kane about Leonard Peltier and share the message and information below, around as much as you can. I have just rung and spoken to his secretary, who is a nice woman. She said she'll pass my message of deep concern on to him and ask him to look into what is happening to this poor man. She sounded very compassionate. She is also diabetic, like me, so she too knows what it does to someone who is diabetic to be fed just once a day, as Leonard was, whilst in four months solitary confinement until very recently, for having money on him, allegedly. This is a crime for prisoners. It was said he received the money from a letter, sent to him by a supporter in Scotland, but ALL mail is checked thoroughly by staff before being given out. Needless to say, Leonard has vehemently denied having money on him.

I told Dr. Kane's secretary that it's almost as if they, the FBI and the prison system, want Leonard to die in prison, so they can just wipe him from the face of the earth. I also told her that won't happen, because so many of us around the world now are waking up to what has been happening to this poor man....And I asked why President Obama won't free him, when he has the power to do that after someone has been in prison for over 30 years! SO upsetting, and so SO Wrong!

"In September, Leonard was transferred to USP Coleman in central Florida. His conditions initially appeared to be an improvement over the penitentiary in Lewisburg. but it seems his living conditions may indeed be much worse. For example, Leonard still isn't being allowed visitors. Family members have to reapply to be put on Leonard's visitors list. Even the attorneys (for the first time) have to be put on his visitors list. The attorneys have another level of approval to navigate, as well, but are finding it difficult to contact prison officials to make all the necessary arrangements. It took one attorney over one month to gain access to his client. Leonard is being isolated as never before. In addition, Leonard has been assigned to a top bunk. Due to a torn ligament which has never been repaired, Leonard's ability to climb safely is diminished. Mr. Peltier also should be placed in a unit with other older prisoners, but Coleman has Leonard listed as being 57 years of age when , in fact, he is 67 years old. All of Leonard's prison records over these many years clearly indicate his correct date of birth. Curious, right?"

Contact:

Dr. Thomas Kane, Acting Director
Federal Bureau of Prisons
320 1st Street, NW
Washington, DC 20534
E-Mail: [e-mail]
Phone: [phone] (Director); [phone] (Switchboard)
Fax: [phone]

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:17 AM

>>>"Feb. 06,2010 at the court house in Boulder, CO a reading from Leonard to the people of the world, in honor of the Spirit of Crazy horse, as a political prisoner of the United States of America. He has been incarcerated for over 34 years and still asking for our help. To be seen as a Native American standing up for his people and keeping faith for truth and justice. Ready by Mark Holtzman"<<<<



The latest letter (2010) from Leonard Peltier - Read on Youtube

Very moving....

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:13 AM

I have just emailed Dr. Thomas Kane to register my concerns and ask him to help Leonard Peltier. I have had an automated response to say that my email has been received and will be forwarded to the appropriate party for follow up as necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: Petition to Free Leonard Peltier
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Nov 11 - 06:16 AM

Thank you, Jean. xx