BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger

Subject: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: saulgoldie
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 11:18 AM

Given many of the outrageous things he has done, he can only be considered a serious candidate by the most cynical or uninformed. He is first, last, and always only a self-promoter. Nevertheless, his repeating of the ridiculous and long-discredited "birther" talk is nothing less than hate-mongering.

The promoters of the idea that Obama was not "born in the USA" have just never accepted the reality of a non-white president. The root of such talk, if you "look under the hood" is patently racist. And all it does is bring down the level of discourse and distract us from real issues.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Penny S.
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 11:34 AM

I noticed the coverage in Doonesbury in the Guardian over here - including Sarah Palin bringing up something about Obama's grandmother which was meaningless to me.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 11:53 AM

I quite accidentally caught a few minutes of Trump live a few days ago. He was holding forth to the effect that we have "won" the country of Afghanistan, are therefore entitled to take its oil, and definitely should do so. I've never been able to stomach him, but had never quite grasped just how politically and ethically clueless he can be.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: GUEST,999
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:03 PM

When a dog pisses on a hydrant it`s not committing an act of vandalism. It`s simply being a dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:05 PM

I was unaware that a) we were in war of conquest and b) there WAS any oil in Afghanistan.

He's a fool and an idiot who will force even more fragmentation of the conservative right...which will be good for the Democrats and very bad for the country, at least for a while, as checks and balances ARE needed.

Come the Revolution I'm shooting at both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: GUEST,Alan Whittle
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:06 PM

Thank Goodness! i thought it was about Judd Trump - England's newest snooker superstar.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:07 PM

And when Trump em-"barks" on a campaign, you can be sure the real goal is $$$$$$

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 12:10 PM

Trump... what a hump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:04 PM

There, see? I told ya what to do. Vote for me next time. I am smart enough to know that there is no oil in Afghanistan and that we got no business bein' there even if there was. Trump is a chump. I am a chimp. The choice is obvious.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:06 PM

Is this he of the 'WHATEVER you do, DON'T look at his HAIR!" Trump?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: gnu
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:17 PM

Hey! That's a cheap shot about his hair. Thinks of the squirrels.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Wesley S
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 01:17 PM

If he thinks he can fool us with his combover - what else do you think he'll try to pull over on us??

And about "birthers". IF they were able to prove Obama was not an American by birth { and they can't } then what? Are these folks thinking McCain is going to made President? Because I'm guessing most "birthers" would have a cow if Joe Biden stepped into the office.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 04:21 PM

Hey..I'm all FOR him running and getting the nomination!

Dream Republican ticket for Democrats- Trump & Palin... well, maybe Trump & "Not a witch" O'Donnell

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: michaelr
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 04:28 PM

Be afraid. Be very afraid. I vividly remember the reactions here in California when Arnold Schwarzenegger announced he was running for goobernator. Everyone was laughing and saying "he'll never get elected."

Next thing you know...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: josepp
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:21 PM

The problem with the Republicans is that no matter who gets the nomination, no matter how insightful and intelligent he or she may be (although I certainly haven't seen many), they can't get the nomination without talking like a total rightwing kook because that is who runs the republican party. If you think abortion is a choice or that creationism is not science--no matter how conservative you are, you CANNOT get the nod. They simply will not let you represent the party.

You have to talk like a nut and once you do that, the largest part of the electorate writes you off. The GOP have always gotten by on their rhetoric which resonates with the majority of (read as "white") Americans and always managed to get a stuffed shirt in there to personify that rhetoric. Now they all they have is extremist drivel being put forth by candidates who either clearly don't really believe in it--or worse--believe in it heart and soul. Can't get elected that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:37 PM

Now they all they have is extremist drivel being put forth by candidates who either clearly don't really believe in it--or worse--believe in it heart and soul. Can't get elected that way.

Can't get elected? How much would you like to wager? You obviously have no faith in the American Boobocracy.

(suggestion: Wisconsin)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 05:55 PM

It was reported on NPR the other day that 50% of the members of the Republican party in Iowa actually do not believe Obama was born in this country.

Saul, you are spot on in calling it racism; that is exactly what is behind the birther and other issues. They can't stomach the idea of even a mixed race person in the White House, but dare not be blatant about their racism, yet.

As to Trump, I think boycotting the show, the advertisers, the stars who show up on it, and let them know WHY you are doing so would have an effect. He is despicable much like Rupert Murdoch, in his own ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: catspaw49
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 06:23 PM

I would be scared to death if they ran Palin/O'Donnell because I NEVER underestimate the ignorance AND stupidity of the American public...........


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Joe_F
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 06:25 PM

He's so rich, he thinks he must be smart. Such people are not confined to the Republican Party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: frogprince
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 06:43 PM

To drop back a bit: I meant to say Iraq, not Afghanistan.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 06:56 PM

..the ignorance AND stupidity of the American public


You Betcha, Spaw! You, Me - PLUS Mark Twain, H.L. Mencken, and Kurt Vonnegut.

Guess we're in pretty good company.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: josepp
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 07:16 PM

Can't hang around, I used up my yearly quota of posting on political threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:26 PM

"Be afraid. Be very afraid."

Reagan got elected. Nixon got elected. Hell, George W. Bush got to be President and he wasn't even elected!

It seems to me that the majority of Republicans might just jump on board the Trump train.

Will the majority of Independents do the same, that is the question?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 09:35 PM

Donald_Trump_audio_clips

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 10:00 PM

I can't believe he will run. Why would he five out the tax info that he hasn't paid any? Does he really think that degree of 'cleverness' would get him elected?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Apr 11 - 10:17 PM

Four bankruptcies, three divorces, the birther belief, the hair. It don't look good for the Donald.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 06:47 PM

I see Seinfeld has cancelled an appearance at one of Trump's "dos" and they've been having it out, verbally. Trump sounds like a petulant spoiled brat. Robert De Niro has also spoken out against him. I hope the trend continues.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: michaelr
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 09:43 PM

Why would he five out the tax info that he hasn't paid any?

I don't understand that sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 10:20 PM

A fair number of people equate the skills needed for business success with the skills needed for governmental success. Well, they aren't necessarily the same. A successful business career may indicate possession of the types of skills required for governmental service, but it may not. Some management styles, especially those of the "high risk, high reward" type, may work in the business world, but they have no place in government. If a business fails because of risky management decisions, one can declare bankruptcy and start over again. If a nation fails because of risky management decisions, there's no bankruptcy court to bail it out.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 11:04 PM

"Why would he five out the tax info that he hasn't paid any?"

Sorry typo ... "give"...

Understanding typos: if you look at the keyboard, you may notice that many 'gibberish word typos' can often bne decoded by lookiung at what keys are nearvy ...see... "nearby" ... oh, and "bne" .... added or omitted letters ....

Hope that helfs... then there's the typos caused by thinking oe word and typing another ....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Apr 11 - 11:58 PM

Karl Rove calls Trump the "joke candidate".

If Rove says that, that says a lot about Trump's chances.

Look, if we have any sense, we should want as bloody primaries as can be arranged on the Republican side.    The more candidates stay in the race, the more money they waste and--we can hope--the more bitterness is aroused in the supporters of the eventually unsuccessful candidates.   Who may then stay home rather than support the candidate who beat their choice.

The irony of this is that, had Trump not just shot himself in the foot but actually blew the foot off by saluting the "birther" flag, he would have been a strong potential candidate.

But he has sealed his fate with this monumentally stupid maneuver.   Even Michelle Bachmann- no intellectual giant--is backing away from the "birthers".

And we should be happy he has killed his own candidacy so effectively.    Now we should hope he doesn't realize this, and runs anyway--forcing the other Republicans to waste untold sums and create lots of bitterness in the GOP in defeating him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Deckman
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 12:12 AM

Y A W N !

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 11:46 AM

why am I waiting for Donuel to make a Ronald McDonald Trump composite?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 12:23 PM

Gosh, what fun! ;-D The Mudcat diehard political wranglers haven't enjoyed themselves this much in quite some time. Sarah Palin served marvelously for awhile as a focus for their bile, hatred, and ridicule but that finally started getting "old"...(sigh)...and it began to lose its entertainment value. It just didn't satisfy like it once had.

Thank God that Donald Trump has stepped up and provided a new and juicy target for us all to excercise our righteous outrage and burning frustrations upon! Get out the knives, folks, sharpen those poison pens, and tear Mr Trump into tiny little pieces. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Gosh, what fun!

Or to put it more briefly, as Deckman said...

**** Y A W N ! ****

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Stringsinger
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 12:53 PM

And here his is folks, Donald T. Rump. He's fired!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Wesley S
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 01:23 PM

Please Little Hawk - you know how upset we Americans get when we think that someone up in Canada doesn't like the way we do things down here.


Yawn yourself....

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 01:35 PM

Right with ya there, Wesley... ;-D Check this out:

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Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Ebbie
Date: 25 Apr 11 - 11:15 PM

Little Hawk, what you say smacks of the kind of thing that makes *me* yawn. Sometimes your attitude bespeaks an intoloerance for other people's nonsense whilst being overly lenient where yours is concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 12:23 AM

Yes, I'm much like the rest of humanity in that respect, Ebbie. We all have some considerable intolerance for other people's nonsense while being quite lenient about our own. I admit that I too have sinned in that respect!

What now? ;-) Maybe we could have a yawn-off and see who wins?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 07:29 AM

Trump's proposed candidacy is neither grounds for "YAWN" nor for panic.   It's actually a great thing for President Obama--for the reason I cited.   Consider what Ralph Nader did for GWB.    But nuance in politics is often lost on some Mudcatters, it seems.


Just yesterday I ran across two separate columns attacking Trump in the free conservative rag you can get on the DC subway.

One dealt with his sordid business style--exploiting the "eminent domain" idea for his own gain--with the collusion of city governments.    Among other things he is a stalwart defender of the ""Kelo" decision, which is anathema to lots of conservatives.

The other one complained about how he is tarnishing the Republican "brand" by his embrace of the crackpot "birther" theory.

There are a huge number of Republicans who want nothing to do with his supposed candidacy and wish he would zip his lip on politics.   Or just disappear, leaving his money behind for a reasonable person (from their perspective) to use.

Now, as I said, we should hope he does not realize this and runs anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:40 AM

Trump is now demanding to see Obama's college grades, implying that they were insufficient for getting him into Harvard Law School without extra help (affirmative action or special favors?).

Obama seems to have done quite well at Harvard but I suppose that makes him a candidate for more "special favors."

Hopefully the Trump's dealings from the bottom of the deck will be recognized for what they are, racist innuendo. Of course in this country that might just win him the nomination and maybe the election.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 09:41 AM

tarnishing the Republican "brand" by his embrace of the crackpot "birther" theory.

Funny- not all that long ago the Repubs wholeheartedly embraced tie "Birther" assholes when they thought it would get them votes.

And they still embrace the TeaBaggers and other crackpot assholes like Limbaugh, Beck, Scott Walker, Hucksterbee and all the rest.

Not much Trump or anyone else could do now to further "Tarnish The Republican Brand".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 12:33 PM

Even Fox Business News says it is all a BIG PUBLICITY STUNT which has garnered him tons of free advertising and that's probably the only reason he's doing this.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 01:25 PM

Too bad Shatner is Canadian...or he could try the same gambit.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 02:43 PM

Do we have PROOF he is Canadian?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 04:00 PM

about 'birtherism' and polls which show large % of Republicans don't 'believe' Obama is a citizen.....

I really doubt there are anywhere near the stated percentages who really believe that. There are that many who answer POLLS that way, but there is just a general attitude in 'some' circles of saying anything that casts ANY doubt on Obama or his life or ideas or accomplishments. If he walked on water and cured the lame, they'd claim he didn't cure acne.

...and some are just stupid & listen to each other as sources...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: John P
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 05:48 PM

If he walked on water and cured the lame, they'd claim he didn't cure acne.

And also that he was mocking Jesus . . .

The sad fact is that the Republicans, more than any others, idolize people who are famous mostly for telling lies. Death panels, birth certificates, socialism, etc. The scary part is that a LOT of people don't seem to mind. My ex-parents-in-law are very educated, smart, nice, golden-hearted people who also think Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air who says it like it is and represents normal people.

Since George W. Bush could get elected for a second term, any crazy and frightening thing could happen.

Little Hawk -- you are boring and childish when you carp at other people for being interested in a conversation. Why do you do it? I've heard you say many times that people get judged by their actions. It's true. Think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 26 Apr 11 - 05:53 PM

This should give all sane people a laugh:

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/25/trump-claims-obama-birth-certificate-missing/

After CNN proved once again that the certificate is genuine, Trump revealed that it's disappeared! Vanished! Gone! An anonymous tipster just told him this week!

The guy's obviously working for the Dems. He'll reveal himself as soon as he gets the GOP nomination.

There's *no* business like show business.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 01:07 AM

I have taken your words deeply to heart, John, and will wear a hair shirt for the rest of the week and flog myself viciously with a cat o' nine tails to do just penance for being so boring and childish. I may even join a nunnery....if they'll have me...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump: Self-promoter & Hatemonger
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Apr 11 - 03:32 AM

Hey man - not a nunnery .... agghhh ....