BS: Dreams anyone?

Subject: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 06:03 PM

Last night I had the most creative and unique dream in 10 years.

I am of the belief that consciousness can be shared remotely as the MIT egg experiment suggests.

Have you had some remarkable dreams lately?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 06:29 PM

I dreamed that Robert Novak and John McCain were having a senility contest and it was still too close to call. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 06:29 PM

I dreamt I was eating a giant marshmallow....when I woke...the pillow had gone

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 07:57 PM

Maaan I expected as much   but funny all the same.

if dreams become collectively more remarkable all of a sudden, we might all want to know.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 09:18 PM

Well, last night I dreamt that I was making up my brother's bed. The fact that he died several years ago didn't factor in.

Then in my dream I suddenly remembered that I had a car and it was parked somewhere where I rarely went. That explained why I had forgotten that I had it, you see.

However, I couldn't remmeber its make. I knew the word started with an M but cudgel my brain as I might I couldn't come up with it. I thought of Mercury and Mazda then ran dry of guesses. Mustang never came up, and yet in real life I had that 64 1/2 Mustang for many years.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Jul 08 - 10:29 PM

Well, the other night I dreamed that my mother came into the restaurant I work at....she's only beed dead since 98. I was just sooo happy to see her! No more after that. So, am I gonna 'meet' her again soon?

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 10:46 AM

Sounds like you did.


Jeez Ebbie, While wide awake I have had a couple of occaisions in which I did not know what amke model or color car I had parked in the lot. But that was back when I had access to dozens of cars.

My remarkable dream is clear in its amazing colors and unusual presentation of 3 different dimensions but the O'Henry like intricacies and plot twists that woke me up to ponder further, are out of my grasp. drat.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: RangerSteve
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 05:45 PM

I keep having dreams about being back at my old job. I don't know why, since I'm happily retired and don't miss the job at all. Anyway, last night I was back at work, (State Park Ranger, by the way), but was stationed on Easter Island. I wanted to go and see the famous big head statues, but people kept coming in to the office and handing me paperwork. Then some yuppie kid drove her SUV into the park office and overturned it (the SUV, not the office), so I called the rescue squad, but she refused our help because she was on an important cell phone call and wanted to finish it. I sent the squad home, then I went home, too. That part of the dream was very satisying.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 09:53 AM

That dream gave me a sardonic smile Steve :?}

A new cult film is needed: Attack of the killer SUVs.
rolling around knocking over great statues of antiquity and drinking the land dry leaving barren corn fields...

the only thing that turns out to defeat them is electricity.


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My remarkable dream still hasn't the words to be translated well.
It had this sudden WHOA! quality of surprise and irony but to describe it, would change it.

It was like what Archimedes felt in the tub or what Heisenberg felt when he sat upon the bluffs of an unihabited German Island in the North Sea when he visualized the Uncertainty Principle that eventually ended up proving Albert Einstein wrong about the nature of atoms.

so here goes...

There were these 3 highly colorful changing patterns distinct from one another but flowing from each other. They were not entities as much as they were curved energy vectors of unimaginable complexity and beauty that conveyed changing information to each other.
They did not have names but I shall call them the past, present and future. The WHOA moment came when IT was made clear to me, as if it could speak, that the future defended itself. The Future literally had an insistence of self defense from the undulations of its other two counter parts of the present and past.

The future was resisting entropy with the help of its counter parts.
The present was using incredible velocity to provide more time to help the future adapt but made new difficulties for the past wtc etc.

That the future defended itself was an alien notion to me at the time and caught me off guard but now it feels curiously reassuring.

Its OK, I don't it either but the eloquence of the colorful graphics made the entire idea succint and nearly instantaneous.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 10:46 AM

Here is a fantastic example of serendipidy...

Below is a post by Amos chronicling science tech news...

Of greatest concern to Einstein, and to many yet today, is the quantum insistence that the future is not precisely determined by the past, as it allegedly was in the clockwork universe quantified by Newton.


In a quantum universe, multiple outcomes are allowed, with precisely determined odds, like a cosmic horse race in which Big Brown usually wins, but not always. A radioactive atom will probably decay within a given time, but not for sure. EinsteinÕs desire for a deity without dice is defied repeatedly by quantum phenomena. Yet every test of the quantum rules confirms this weirdness; in any experimental challenge, quantum theory is more reliably victorious even than Tiger Woods on good knees.

Quantum physics therefore claims cosmic authority. Einstein's theory of general relativity, for instance, is supposed to govern the cosmos on large scales, but it is widely believed to be ultimately deficient because it cannot be made compatible with quantum requirements. On the other hand, quantum physics has mostly been tested on a small scale. Quantum message sending on Earth, via light pulses transmitted through optical fibers, demonstrates that the weirdness is preserved over distances of kilometers. But thatÕs not necessarily enough to allay all suspicion that someday quantum physics will fail.

From space, though, quantum signals could be sent simultaneously to stations much farther than current technology allows on land. So a group of physicists has devised a plan to test the universality of quantum weirdness by following the lead of Forbidden Planet and sending quantum messages from space to Earth.

Altair-4 is too far away, of course, but the International Space Station is conveniently nearby, and the physicists are far along in plans to use it to test quantum physics. An experimental proposal called Space-QUEST, led by physicists from the University of Vienna, calls for space-to-ground signaling using the latest in quantum communication technology...."



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So perhaps a future can defend itself against the past and make seemingly impossible changes.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:11 AM

Donuel, I am grateful for the most beautiful dream.

As you demonstrate so succinctly, the boundaries of the spirit are far different than the boundaries of the "bios" aspect of awareness, and one of the salient differences is that thought travels freely through time (perhaps more accurately, "without" time) and space.

The notion of the future defending itself is most interesting and in several senses I can see the truth of it. If the permeation of the grapevine of all present and past decision points by those engaged inmaking them is actually the manifestation of space-bound and time-bound Life, striving to evolve its own perfect destiny, then the fire of life is dedicated to creating futures and defending them pan-temporally.

Some experiments described by DOssey inter alia indicate that humans can actually can generate future scenarios in which they cross-exist, like some kind of shared dreaming that both individuals recall lucidly, with high levels of agreement about events. This is just one small aspect of the wider phenomenon of non-local knowledge (a term Dossey is fond of). The capacity for non-local knowing is a study in itself. Lions seem to be particularly good at it, just as an aside.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 02:11 PM

Cool!

non local knowing is something that Naval Intelligence was up to in the 1970's and asked me if I knew people who could do it.   I did but I lied and said no. Some of those who said yes, have suffered for it (as a Washington Post article revealed 3 years ago).

Old Al Eisnstein once said that "life goes against the grain of spacetime".
Life does depend upon its accumalted genetic code over generations to turn on and off genes that cope with various circumstances of enviorment such as the amount of food, air, water, to name a few.

We always use our immediate memory to exploit the past for an intended future.

We use feedback loops to engage in many activities of survival and thought.
Yet the "furure defending itself" is outside of those boxes, at least for current day humans.

What scenario could fit such a mold?

There are a group of people still alive (I saw them on Larry King) who believe they saw UFOs deactivate nuclear weapons in their silos as well as UFOs that shot beams at launched nukes rendering them decactived or changing their navigation.

Since space and time are no longer fixed but rather are relativistic could we allow for a technological feedback loop that changes history? Sci Fi stories such as Mellenium and innumerable Time Machine plots entertain this flexible past and future idea all the time.

It may be as subtle as changing our minds or as spectacular as "going" back in time to repair the future.

As in the dream, if you could see how the three space times interact and pop new appendages into existence that then flow into one another with a grand AH HAA... it would at least make a good special effect in the next movie that exploits time tommorrow, as we exploit thermodynamics today.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 02:24 PM

Maybe this is too obvious to mention but from my colorful perspective, the past the present and the future ARE all coexisteting simultaneously. They were not a time cone or a linear sequence or a spiraling string.

As such the future was fighting for survival as well as the other forces seeking equilibrium from the changes the future could make.

This is much ado regarding a 6 second dream.

Since then I have even thought that virtual particles might be a way for the present to help reconcile and equalize the changes the future and past are making ....    too wierd....

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 02:34 PM

Well, if you spend six seconds breaking out of temporal bounds altogether, you tap into an unbounded region where no measure of time can be applied. That's one of the reasons it is so unworkable to submit spiritual phenomenology to continuum-based empirical methods.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 02:43 PM

it is so unworkable to submit spiritual phenomenology to continuum-based empirical methods.



yeah, my neighbor might say, "You can't quantify prayer"

Since I have a hypnosis background, I would say, "Oh yes you can!"

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 02:44 PM

You can quantify the local tail-end of the Prayer Dog, but you can't measure where he goes when he leaves the room.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 08:34 AM

Thats the kind of James Carvile rhetoric we all can understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 01:39 PM

I dreamed that I fell into the mudcat and couldn't get out ...

... I'm gonna wake up soon ...

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 03:23 PM

Youse sound like a pair a docs to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 03:25 PM

I bought a new Phillips rotary head shaver. Works better than my wildest dreams.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams anyone?
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jul 08 - 06:10 PM

gnu, why do you shave your head??!

I have no idea what the good natured Amos does but I know where he lives and a bit of how his excellent mind and frail body works. He might be a doc for all I know. His attention to detail and journalistic & poetic honesty is evident when citing the work of others or his own.

I on the other am a pool boy respondsible for the upkeep of a 55 ft pool and spa.