Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 07:54 AM

Stalin may have killed 60 million, but it was all in a good cause.

The same reason it's all right for Blair to lie but not for the Tories.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:12 AM

Here you go.
Pledges from the BNP and old squid eye.
Voluntary resettlement of ethnic minority Britons
Reintroduce military service
Corporal punishment for petty criminals
Reintroduce death penalty
and
Redploy british troops to secure the Channel tunnel

Good grief.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:38 AM

>secure the Channel Islands?

What have I missed on the News?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:45 AM

Sorry, misread it!
Mind you, if it were the Channel Islands, they might get my vote....

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Grab
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 08:58 AM

Yes, this *is* racist bollocks.

"There were flats for Iraqis and Afghans/But never a one with my name."

Bullshit. Immigrants are currently being housed in what are essentially prisons. Some have rioted to protest against the conditions in there. A recent "hidden camera" documentary shows how these places are run.

Now certainly ex-squaddies have had a raw deal in the past (and today - think Gulf War Syndrome), but this isn't the fault of immigrants. Partly it's the fault of the Army for not providing backup and retraining when soldiers go back to civvie life; partly it's the fault of employers who don't know what soldiers can do for them; and partly it's the fault of ex-soldiers who can't see that they can't treat other employees like lower-ranking soldiers, or who expect to have their lives run for them in the same way the Army did. Immigrants are *nowhere* on the list of people responsible for ex-squaddies failing to adjust to Civvie Street.

Graham.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 09:20 AM

Don:
I read somewhere that more Vietnam veterans have committed suicide, than were killed in that war.

Sounds totally bogus. I don't know how many Brits went to Vietnam, but over 40,000 US servicemen died there.

Meanwhile, are the BNP related to the "Silly" party or the "Extremely Silly" party?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Cllr
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 10:14 AM

No bnp are not related to the silly party Or the monster raving loony party. I've always had great respect for the late screaming lord Sutch while I have none-what-so-ever for the BNP. cllr

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 11:39 AM

This paper reports higher mortality rates among Vietnam Veterans, but reports of the
actual numbers vary between half and three times as many who were killed in combat. For the Falklands it seems to be true that more have taken their own lives since than had their lives taken from them, and there is a suggestion of high suicide rate amongst Gulf War I Veterans.
I don't think any British workers fought for the bosses in Vietnam, but they did fight in Korea.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 27 Apr 05 - 05:15 PM

Wonder what the BNP would say about this one...

Black british soldier gets VC-BBC news

Today the queen awarded the first Victoria Cross to a living soldier since 1969. The BNP would be praising him, except he happens to be black.

Pte Johnson Beharry, honoured for his actions in Iraq, became the twelfth recipient of the award since the end of World War II.

The Victoria Cross, awarded for gallantry, is the highest honour in the British and Commonwealth military. Such is the level of courage required for the award that it is estimated the chances of surviving an act worthy of the medal are one in ten.

What more proof of how mindless the BNP are could anyone want?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: sapper82
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 03:53 AM

To Bunnahabhain
He seems an excellent lad, looks and sounds like someone I'd be proud to serve or work alongside!
And some elements of the BNP leadership would throw him out??????

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: rich-joy
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 06:41 AM

" ... I don't think any British workers fought for the bosses in Vietnam, but they did fight in Korea ..."


Well Piers, if you were British and happened to reside in Australia at the time of the Vietnam War conscription and your number came up in the Birthday ballot - you went, as did my Scouser brother-in-law ...


Cheers! R-J

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,manitas
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 08:13 AM

Grab wrote:
Bullshit. Immigrants are currently being housed in what are essentially prisons.

Grab,
That's bullshit as well. I can poke my head out of my front door to see the truth of that. What you should have said was that some aslyum seekers etc...

Come to that I'll ask the chaps (and chappesses) around the office if any of them are living in prisons.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Morris-ey
Date: 28 Apr 05 - 09:30 AM

It's a well known fact that BNP members and supporters are repressed homosexuals.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Vote BNP
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 05:17 AM

We're getting off the subject a bit of the actual song. I think it's a really good one and says a lot about our country today. I think the brave men who fought and died in two world wars must be turning in their graves. They fought to keep Britain free from foreign invasion...... and what have we got today?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Fiona
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 05:54 AM

Guest,

I think your policies are utterly despicable, but I believe in free speach even when I'm vomiting rings round myself at the words of the speakers.

I think it even more despicable that you see fit to use the issues of homeless ex-servicemen to further your cause. When I was a child there were planty of what we then called tramps who were ex servicemen who had never returned to 'normal 'life in the wake of the war. I was always told that though I was to keep my distance, I'd have my arse tanned if I treated them with disrespect. There are genuine concerns surrounding the treatment and care of these men, but to use their plight to further your own filthy ideas shows that you're more concerned with pursuing your own agenda than their troubles. Do you feel the same about the black ones or the ghurkas? I very much doubt it. Homeless exservicemane are not on the streets because asylum seekers are in the houses and well you know that.

As for your song, theres plenty of songs folk and otherwise which spread lies and hate, if you think you're being original you're wrong.

And yes it does say a lot about our country today. It says the men who fought and died for our freedom have left us a legacy that some of us value and you lot piss on.

Fiona

sorry for the rant to everyone who doesn't espouse the BNP view I'm not in a good mood today and this doesn't help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 09:36 AM

Well something's obviously upset you Emma. Calm down for a minute and try to be rational. Why are the BNP's ideas so "filthy". What is it that so offends you?

We don't "use these issues to further our cause" and we certainly don't "piss on" anyone's legacy. We have loads of ex-serviceman in the BNP supporting us. In fact I was at a meeting the other night where one of our candidates was speaking and a 92 year old ex-RAF pilot went up to her and said that he supported everything she said and that he was willing to have his photo with her for a BNP leaflet.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 10:51 AM

Perhaps people think the BNP's ideas are filthy because they think it is filthy to discriminate against people on basis of skin colour, where they were born or the legalistic definition of nationality thay have been given, or indeed on any basis at all.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Vote BNP
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 11:29 AM

You are discriminating against the BNP. What about the 'Black Police Officers Assoc" or the MOBO awards? There are loads of things, pressure groups, organistions, charities, etc. which are just for ethnic minorities. Why is it so terrible to say we are for White people? BTW it is not just 'skin colour' at all. Race covers a wide range of things (ie. physiology, genetics etc), skin colour is just the visible one.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 12:11 PM

These minority groups, etc. arise precisely because cheeky monkeys like you discriminate between people in the workplace, in politics and socially for a reason that I cannot fathom.

Even if you attempted to use 'race' in a scientific way (which to apply to humans because of the diversity and constant interbreeding means setting arbitary limits to the definition, it is thus a measurement dependent on human judgement, not independent of it i.e. scientific) differences between 'racial' groups that affect social behaviour are non-existent - precisely because the major determinant of human social behaviour is experience not pre-ordained by genetics or God.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 12:12 PM

Well said, Fiona. The decency of a person, and the way a person should be treated, should not be predetermined or judged on the basis of race.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Raedwulf
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 12:50 PM

"Such is the level of courage required for the award that it is estimated the chances of surviving an act worthy of the medal are one in ten."

Ummmm... If the BNP were the only political party on the ballot paper I would spoil (possibly quite literally, hooray for polling booth curtains! ;-) ), but the above statement implies that 90% of VC awards are posthumous. Which is a bigger load of bollocks than any rubbish I've ever heard the BNP spout. Also, I've seen that BBC report, but not seen any comment (negative or otherwise) from the BNP about Pte Beharry.

So perhaps next time, Bunnah, you might do better than to start a post with a question ("Wonder what the BNP would say about this one") & finish with a statement (What more proof of how mindless the BNP are could anyone want). Or at least provide some evidence to link your conclusion to your premise.

The BNP may be scum (I prefer to think of them as mostly well-meaning but misguided bloody idiots), but on the basis of what you've just posted, you would appear to be as bigoted as they are.

I am against bigotry, whatever political stripe it claims to wear!

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 02:13 PM

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 29 Apr 05 - 02:23 PM

Oops

"It has been estimated that the chance of surviving a Victoria Cross act is 1 in 10." is a quote fromthe official VIctoria Cross website.

Victoria Cross website

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Raedwulf
Date: 30 Apr 05 - 02:48 PM

Richard - that statement is not on the page that you link to, nor on an immediately obvious cascade. On the basis of your blicky, the chances of surviving a VC act are at least 50% (& that's post WWII, the 'eyewitness' requirements have tended to go up over the years).

Bunnah - PM noted. I wasn't having a personal go, but I felt your statement was displaying bias not supported by your 'facts'. AFAIK no political party has commented on the bravery of Pte Beharry. It is poor debating, therefore, to try to claim that any lack of comment is evidence of bias; whichever way, by whatever party.

The BNP may well be inherently racist shitbags (I certainly wouldn't vote for them, as you may have gathered!). They're not inherently racist shitbags because they didn't praise Pte Beharry, especially when no other party bothered to. Your post is faulty at best.

Regards,

R

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Andym
Date: 10 May 05 - 09:00 AM

Why should certain phrases, such as 'Iraquis and Afghans' in this context become taboos in music?

Folk music has long been a vehicle of criticism of the political ruling class and of exposing injustice. We all applaud when we hear the criticism we like, but stand aghast when the wind if criticism turns the other way.

Please grow up and accept that speech and music can only be free if it can be uncomofortable.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 May 05 - 12:23 PM

1.   Maybe this link will work

http://www.victoriacross.net/facts.asp

2.   Incitement to racial hatred is in a different class to most other speech.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Andym
Date: 11 May 05 - 05:45 AM

"2.   Incitement to racial hatred is in a different class to most other speech. "

Why?

In the days of Gallileo, the Church told scientists, you can reserach whatever you want but don't find anything out that contradicts the rulings and dogmas of the Church. Galileo did not only discover something but he had the nerve to publish it.

A system that sets certain bounds, and says certain topics are off-limit is not truly free. Many people have been tortured and died for the right to speak freely. In many parts of the world this barbarism still continues today. So why should anybody living in a free country voluntarily forfeit this right in order not to offend certain oversensitive individuals?

Freedom of expression must stand above the sensitivities of certain groups. If I'm not allowed to offend ethnic minorities, then I shouldn't be allowed to offend religious minorities. I shouldn't be allowed to tell jokes about lawyers or politicians. All these could be interpreted as incitements to hate. A statement of fact or of opinion, even if slanted or incomplete cannot be an incitement to hatred. It is part of a debate about certain topics. Anybody who resorts to violence because of such a statement probably would have resorted to violence anyhow. I haven't seen any sudden increase in racial crime following the release of this song. Let's not see daemons where there aren't any.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 May 05 - 06:03 AM

It is in a different class not least because the law of the UK and the USA says so.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,VoteBNP
Date: 12 May 05 - 05:58 AM

Well said guest Andym! There are a lot of 'political' type songs both trad and more recent critising the current way of thinking. But when it's a song standing against multi-racialism it gets shouted down. This is supposed to be a land of free speech. Anyway, it is our country - our beautiful heritage that is being destroyed.


Let the corn be all one sheaf -
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

Subject: Lyr Add: THE STRANGER (Rudyard Kipling)
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 12 May 05 - 06:18 AM

Here's the whole poem VoteBNP - one of my faves!

THE STRANGER
The stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk -
I cannot feel his mind.
I see his face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I can not tell what powers control -
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But at least they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And what ever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf -
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.

Rudyard Kipling 1865-1936

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 12 May 05 - 08:55 AM

Don't get it, what stranger? BNP shit, get back to the hole you came from

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 May 05 - 01:52 PM

Thank you, Annie, for posting the whole poem. As a lover of Kipling (one of the finest writers in the the English language), I hate seeing his words twisted & taken out of context.

Kipling was a patriot ("I love my country, but..."), not a bigot ("We're better than you..."). Unfortunately, 19 times out of 20, the bigot can misquote the patriot for his own ends, & at the same time smear the patriot at least 4 times out of 5, without even wanting to, or realising (or, probably, caring) that they have.

So well done BNP, you're a prat. The Stranger is no more a poem "standing against multi-racialism", than "Tommy" is pro- or anti- army. It's just a perceptive comment upon what the poet saw when it was written. Not the whole story, nor his stated personal opinion, simply something to make you stop & think (assuming you have the native wit to be able to manage such...).

In case you're completely stupid, BNP, Kipling was born in India, spent a significant part of his life in India, & I doubt he'd be the slightest bit impressed with the views that your party espouses. Despite his sometimes rather misty-eyed eulogising of the virtues of the British Empire, I strongly suspect he'd be more or less horrified to find his words being warped to support the not-so-subtle policies that the average BNP supporter would like to see in place.

And I've just finished reading 1984, too...

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:20 AM

I was posting it to actually reiterate what VoteBNP was saying. No Kipling was not a bigot - niether am I. I would call myself a Patriot, like Kipling, and I can see many of my views reflected in the BNP, though i'm not a member of the said party.

You say Kipling was born in India - but he was an Englishman through and through - I bet he never claimed to be 'Indian' did he? So why do people who are, say, african, pakistani, chinese etc. claim to be British just because they are born here? If a dog is born in a stable it does not make it a horse does it? If they are as British as we are, does that make us, ethnic British people, as African, pakistani, chinese etc. as they are?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:29 AM

Hey, that makes me 'first nation' then doesn't it? A bit like the new 'native american' instead of the old 'red indian'

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:29 AM

Patriotism and bigotry are the same thing.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 13 May 05 - 04:52 AM

Why are "Patriotism and bigotry are the same thing" Piers? Please explain your theory.

Subject: Lyr Add: GUNGA DIN (Rudyard Kipling)
From: Fiona
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:18 AM

I think 'Gunga Din' is one of Kiplings finest.

You may talk o' gin and beer
When you're quartered safe out 'ere,
An' you're sent to penny-fights an' Aldershot it;
But when it comes to slaughter
You will do your work on water,
An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it.
Now in Injia's sunny clime,
Where I used to spend my time
A-servin' of 'Er Majesty the Queen,
Of all them blackfaced crew
The finest man I knew
Was our regimental bhisti, Gunga Din.
      He was "Din! Din! Din!
You limpin' lump o' brick-dust, Gunga Din!
      Hi! slippery hitherao!
      Water, get it! Panee lao!             [Bring water swiftly.]
You squidgy-nosed old idol, Gunga Din."

The uniform 'e wore
Was nothin' much before,
An' rather less than 'arf o' that be'ind,
For a piece o' twisty rag
An' a goatskin water-bag
Was all the field-equipment 'e could find.
When the sweatin' troop-train lay
In a sidin' through the day,
Where the 'eat would make your bloomin' eyebrows crawl,
We shouted "Harry By!"         

Till our throats were bricky-dry,
Then we wopped 'im 'cause 'e couldn't serve us all.
      It was "Din! Din! Din!
You 'eathen, where the mischief 'ave you been?
      You put some juldee in it                         [Be quick.]
      Or I'll marrow you this minute                      [Hit you.]

If you don't fill up my helmet, Gunga Din!"

'E would dot an' carry one
Till the longest day was done;
An' 'e didn't seem to know the use o' fear.
If we charged or broke or cut,
You could bet your bloomin' nut,
'E'd be waitin' fifty paces right flank rear.
With 'is mussick on 'is back,                           [Water-skin.]
'E would skip with our attack,
An' watch us till the bugles made "Retire",
An' for all 'is dirty 'ide
'E was white, clear white, inside
When 'e went to tend the wounded under fire!
      It was "Din! Din! Din!"
With the bullets kickin' dust-spots on the green.
      When the cartridges ran out,
      You could hear the front-files shout,
"Hi! ammunition-mules an' Gunga Din!"

I shan't forgit the night
When I dropped be'ind the fight
With a bullet where my belt-plate should 'a' been.
I was chokin' mad with thirst,
An' the man that spied me first
Was our good old grinnin', gruntin' Gunga Din.
'E lifted up my 'ead,
An' he plugged me where I bled,
An' 'e guv me 'arf-a-pint o' water-green:
It was crawlin' and it stunk,
But of all the drinks I've drunk,
I'm gratefullest to one from Gunga Din.
      It was "Din! Din! Din!
'Ere's a beggar with a bullet through 'is spleen;
      'E's chawin' up the ground,
      An' 'e's kickin' all around:
For Gawd's sake git the water, Gunga Din!"

'E carried me away
To where a dooli lay,
An' a bullet come an' drilled the beggar clean.
'E put me safe inside,
An' just before 'e died,
"I 'ope you liked your drink", sez Gunga Din.
So I'll meet 'im later on
At the place where 'e is gone --
Where it's always double drill and no canteen;
'E'll be squattin' on the coals
Givin' drink to poor damned souls,
An' I'll get a swig in hell from Gunga Din!
      Yes, Din! Din! Din!
You Lazarushian-leather Gunga Din!
      Though I've belted you and flayed you,
      By the livin' Gawd that made you,
You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

The last line says it all really,

Fiona

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:25 AM

Patriotism is the belief that the inhabitants of one nation are better in some way than the inhabitants of somewhere else - bigotry pure and simple.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,Annie
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:31 AM

No - Patriotism is when you love your country and are proud of your nation.
Bigotry is when you think your own opinion is so completely correct and better than everyone elses.
Being a Patriot is not being a bigot. Bigotry is a negative term - Patriot is not.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:45 AM

Here we go again, the old bigot/patriot debate so beloved by our American chums on the Iraq/Bush threads. As a bemused outsider, I would be interested to know just how many people voted BNP at the election. Does anybody know the answer?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Piers
Date: 13 May 05 - 05:56 AM

If you love your country and are proud of your nation you do not love other countries and are not proud of other nations. As countries/nations are arbitary divisions of land and the people thereon, partiots love and are proud of some people purely because of where they live - patriots are odious bigots, and damn fools to boot for believing in such nonsense. Patriotism is an ideological prop to the ruling classes - don't hate those who boss you around and live off your backs they are British or Irish or Swazi or whatever, hate those who live on the other side of that line that we have drawn, despite the fact they are bossed around and exploited like you they are foreign and dirty and you have nothing in common with them, they say.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,VoteBNP
Date: 13 May 05 - 06:14 AM

The BNP got over 200,000 votes at the general election and even though we did not anyone elected (very difficult with the first past the post system plus all the media propaganda against us) we are officially the fourth party in the UK after the 'big' three (which are all the same) beating the Greens (the BNP is the real Green Party: see
http://www.bnp.org.uk/landandpeople/index.htm) and the UKIP/Veritas (false patriots)

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Fiona
Date: 13 May 05 - 06:23 AM

From the Beeb website,

'The BNP's share of the UK vote was about 0.74% - below exit poll expectations of about 3%.

It lost its £500 deposit in 84 seats, leaving it with a bill of about £42,000 overall.'

Where on earth do they get the money from?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,VoteBNP
Date: 13 May 05 - 06:32 AM

The money comes from membership subs and donations. You think of the people supporting the BNP - how much more motivated we are than supporters of other parties - we work our backsides off for the BNP and give as much time/money and effort as we can possibly afford. I think we achieve amazing results for the resources we have. It's pure dedication and willpower that gets us there.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 13 May 05 - 07:43 AM

Not compared to the Lib-dems you don't. I may not agree with their policies, but it's quite hard to activley dislike them, unlike the BNP.

And by the way, I'm sure the SNP might just have got more than 200,00 votes, or 0.74% of the UK wide vote. Or are the Scottish too foreign to count?

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,SPB - Acton
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:17 AM

I think this thread is now completely off topic, and no longer realtes to music traditions, but I intend to add my 2 pennorth worth . sorry.......

1) BNP get support by preying on peoples fears and reinforcing mis-information. For example the accusation of immigrants and asylum seekers taking homes away. The more relevant question is who is responsible for the massive decline in social housing stock through sales of council housing and legislation to prevent local authorities replace social housing during the 80s. Who has forced the housing prices up over the last 20 years so that more and more people are competing for less and less housing. It is a structural and economic problem.

2)Do BNP really have workable economic and social policies? How many votes would they have got if they were opening campaigning on their views of spreading hatred. Basic argument: you should fear xyz minority i the community. Give us the power to 'get rid' of the convient scapegoat - hmmmm does anyone remember Bosnia?? or even Germany in the 1930s? Then what about the other side of the argument.
The problem is structural ...... it doesn't go away . no more asylum seekers left to blame . who to victimise next ........... the situation must be serious enough ........ apply controls, maybe state of emergency........... more parrallels in history and Animal Farm for good measure.

Yes, ask why there are not enough homes for heroes, but don't blame it on the poorest in society who are competing with the other poorest in society who are competing for the crumbs.

We do not have a strong neo-nazi movement in this country. If BNP prey on fears, think of how much more frightening their next step would be.

On original thread.... songs should be used to highlight inequalities, but when a song goes on to blame the innocent then a line has been crossed.

Again sorry for my incoherent thoughts which have little to do with music but this thread has touched a nerve

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:33 AM

So why do people who are, say, african, pakistani, chinese etc. claim to be British just because they are born here?

Too funny and about the intellectual level associated with the BNP. Poor scared Annie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: GUEST,VoteBNP
Date: 13 May 05 - 11:36 AM

If you look at any BNP literature we do not blame the immigrants themselves - the BNP emphasises the fact that they are not to be blamed but the governent/Blair etc and many more before him are. That is with whom we have problems and against which we are fighting.

But you are right this has gone off the topic of the original lyrics (then again so do many other threads). If anyone wants to comment on them please do so. General feedback has been pretty good (from other places/folkies too) apart from a few 'flying insults' (sticks and stones....)

Thanks

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Blissfully Ignorant
Date: 13 May 05 - 02:21 PM

I hate patriotism. What's a country anyway? Just lines on a map, marked out in bloodshed...it doesn't mean anything...

Subject: RE: Lyr Add: BNP broadcast folk song
From: Raedwulf
Date: 13 May 05 - 03:42 PM

A country, BI, is a recognisable social grouping, generally along the lines of race, culture, or some other common denominator. And yes, it matters to very many of the species, because the species is a social one whether you (or others) like it or not. If you're not, you're an exception. Maybe you're the future too, but it's a way off. I'm afraid mankind's social development lags behind the technological by some margin!