BS: Russian Insurrection.

Subject: BS: Russain Insurrection.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 10:13 AM

The Wagner Group is headed toward Moscow. Putin is caught off guard.
The Ukraine war is in Russain confusion and chaos. The former friend of Putin the leader of the criminal Wagner group claims attack against them by Russain DOD.

Subject: RE: BS: Russain Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 11:42 AM

Putin's whereabouts are unknown. My bet is he'll be found hiding in the Winter Palace.

PS: Can some kind MudElf fix the tyop in the thread subject line, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:00 PM

That is a truly bizarre but probably not unexpected turn of events. Prigozhin has been complaining for months about how his troops have been cannon fodder (even if he also treats them that way and finds them in the most desperate or incarcerated conditions - an army "no one will miss if they're gone." Russia plunges into crisis as Putin accuses Wagner chief of stoking "armed rebellion." Watch special coverage live on CNN

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Putin accuses Wagner chief of stoking 'armed rebellion'

These bullet points run to the side in the story linked:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has vowed to punish those behind an “armed uprising” after the head of the Wagner private military group launched an apparent insurrection, claimed control of military facilities in two Russian cities — Rostov-on-Don and Voronezh — and warned that his troops could head for Moscow.

Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has refused to surrender and called Putin "deeply mistaken" following the Russian president's address describing his actions as betrayal.

Prigozhin on Friday accused Russia's military leadership of killing a "huge amount" of his mercenary forces in a strike on a Wagner camp and vowed to retaliate. Russia’s Ministry of Defense denied Prigozhin’s claims.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says Russia's "weakness" has been exposed, with a Ukrainian defense spokesperson calling it a "sign of the collapse of the Putin regime."

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:21 PM

I wonder if has been orchestrated so Putin can pull troops out of Ukraine without losing face?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 12:31 PM

That's an idea!

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:31 PM

If so, DtG, that's seriously weird: saving face by shooting yourself in the foot (or the arse) seems more pyrrhic than somewhat.

.... I mentioned your comment, and Herself said "Someone said that on [the telly], and it's been shot down." Nice try, though.

--- News flash: Wagner boss order heard to "turn back because of risk of blood being spilled". This may or may not be a vocal deep fake.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:34 PM

No one said the attempt to annex Ukraine last year was smart - so trying to back out by faking a war on your own territory - it's equally stupid. Putin does seem to be off of his rocker, not accepting advice from anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 01:39 PM

.... or (as herself suggested) Vlad's located Prigozhin's nearest and dearest, and that's that.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 02:08 PM

What we thought might happen isn't happening. Putin looks weak though.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 02:32 PM

Another war of Generals will not end well. The fog of war in Russia will be a war of fog. Media control there is nearly complete.
Prigozhin began his career with one hot dog stand that became many and finally a chain of restaurants where he met Putin. How the rest of this unlikely story will end is anybody's guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 04:10 PM

He's a serial criminal. Days of hope maybe. But I wouldn't want him left in charge of feeding my cat. Stay real.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 04:48 PM

He probably won't end up in prison, he won't last that long.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 04:52 PM

> How the rest of this unlikely story will end is anybody's guess.

No bet, tovarish: for Yevgeny Prigozhin, this will end in poison or defenestration. I'm still waiting for Brutus to turn up. Holding of breath contraindicated.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 09:36 PM

It certainly is an interesting development. I predict that either Prigozhin or Putin will be dead in a week. All of this bodes well for Ukraine, because Russia is fucked up.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Helen
Date: 24 Jun 23 - 11:10 PM

I hope and pray that one or both of your predictions turn out to be correct, Joe, and that Ukraine finds peace and Russia and Putin go downhill after this whacky Wagnerian episode.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 06:44 AM

Götterdämmerung?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 06:48 AM

.... It may take years, Joe. Am I right in thinking Götterdämmerung was the longest part of the Ring Cycle?

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 09:49 AM

Ukraine will be worried that Wagner forces could now be in striking distance of Kyiv. Hopefully Zelensky will have allowed for this ploy and deployed some defences to the North.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 11:42 AM

I don't think we in the West will find out what's happened in any sort of a hurry. It's possible it'll come out in a year or few, but methinks only those in the three-letter agencies will ever know for certain, and quite possibly not even them.

*Sigh* .... BBC News 24 have elected this as Bone of the Week, so they'll be savaging it *at* *great* *length* until something else comes along. The clue's in the name (Rolling News will inevitably have the juggernaut nature), but the Beeb seems to be worse than most nowadays. At least the Radio Four news bulletins have escaped the delusion that more of the same thing is better. End of rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jun 23 - 11:51 AM

Prigozhin is in Belarus probably sporting a wig and fake beard.
His troops will be divided up between Russian troops and the Wagner group. Whatever deal he made with Putin will be like a Hitler treaty.
Shortlived.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 06:37 AM

It will be a long time if ever that China's Xi will want to be seen with Putin again. Putin's next move will sadly be a desperate crackdown. Putin's instincts are as bad as the useless idiot Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 11:04 AM

Today on the radio news they were discussing Prigozhin being separated from his Wagner forces, so apparently he isn't just headed out of Russia, he's out of a job that he created. And the commentator also made that remark that he should avoid going near windows in his new apartment.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Jun 23 - 11:46 AM

> he should avoid going near windows in his new apartment

.... and be careful who he eats with. As it happens, Herself and I are watching the tapes of I CLAVDIVS; I remember Claudius's last act was to eat a mushroom, given to him by his wife from her own plate.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Mr Red
Date: 30 Jun 23 - 01:28 PM

It was the second of many skirmishes, Belgorod was first.

Putin is a dead man walking. Certainly he refuses to fly.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Jul 23 - 11:23 AM

Without independent established law, it's an eventual gangland war.
I found the movie 'The Death of Stalin' darkly hysterical.

Subject: RE: BS: Russian Insurrection.
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jul 23 - 03:03 PM

An interesting speculative analysis:

Vladimir Putin faced an unprecedented challenge to his authority. What could his eventual end look like?

My take on it is that there will be another Putinesque taking over - same shirt, different day.

(Or maybe it should be spelled puttanesca? Like the pasta, with the interesting explanation of the reason it is called that. LOL)