BS: On the cause of Famines

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Gutcher
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 09:15 AM

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: ollaimh
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 06:35 PM

we can judge by the standards of the time when the potato crop failures across belguim northern franc germany and the ukraine didn't result in famine because those backward countries fed their citizens. the english on the other hand were committed to laissez faire capitalism, much like the neo liberals today, and that belief was akin to any other totalitarian belief and resulted in mass starvation of citizens, for their own good.

it is basic racism to suggest the english and their imperial leaders were not the cause of the mass deaths

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:21 AM

It is basic racism to suggest that "the English" were.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:29 AM

I wonder who the racists are to stand by while Saudi bombs Yemen back into the stone age, and leaves seven milliom at risk of famine. Pretty much the entire western world adopting the criterion above!
Who believes that I ask myself?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:38 AM

"Who believes that I ask myself? "
The ones who sell the Saudi regime fighter planes to carry out the job - obviously!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:55 AM

ollaimh is a well known and blatant racist against the English. I think his views that the English are an evil race are as despicable as those who decry any race or religion on the basis of the actions of a few. But somehow he keeps getting away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:00 AM

Perhaps we are racist for declaring war on Syria with insufficient evidence to justify our stance.
About time the UN got some B****s!

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:15 AM

"ollaimh is a well known and blatant racist against the English"
I always considered his/her attacks were against the English establishment rather than the people - in which case, I go along with most of what the posting said
Funny how some people consider it ok to attack "The Russians" but consider it racist to attack "the English" (not you Dave)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:16 AM

In the perfect world the UN should have much bigger balls, but the UN is consistently and routinely disparaged and undermined by the US/Israel axis, which in turn allows other "powers" to act similarly. It's the kind of behaviour that will turn the world into a sort of Wild West.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:27 AM

Well sadly they do a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot also/
Saudi Arabia has been elected to the UN women's rights commission,
April 9, 2018 Syria will next month chair the United Nations disarmament forum that produced the treaty banning chemical weapons,

The UN should operate on a majority vote and no veto powers. (but the world is largely in 2 camps therein lies a problem)

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:31 AM

I always considered his/her attacks were against the English establishment rather than the people

Sadly not, Jim. Take a look at this posting (C&P it - clicky builder for mudcat threads has issues)

https://mudcat.org/detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3851537

Contains the gem

anglos think if their hate is complicated enough then it's ok, trump didn't jump from the head of zeus full grown, he's a the fulillment of anglo culture. (as is richard bridges and his hate)

Plenty more like that if you look.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:32 AM

"I always considered his/her attacks were against the English establishment rather than the people - in which case, I go along with most of what the posting said"
So the US is guilty of being racist and carrying out ethnic cleansing by displacing and exterminating the Native People?

To judge the actions of past societies by the mores of today is a kind of simplistic approach and prone to innumerable errors

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:12 AM

Veto powers have been much abused, that's for sure, and the weak UN does shoot itself in the foot. Maybe it can't be repaired, and maybe we need something radically different. But I must away to get my hair cut.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:25 AM

A number 1?

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:28 AM

"So the US is guilty of being racist and carrying out ethnic cleansing by displacing and exterminating the Native People?"
Has there ever been any doubt it was ?
"To judge the actions of past societies by the mores of today is a kind of simplistic "
Depends on how far into the past you go.
The Imperial system was based on the idea of "inferior" people unfit to rule themselves and superior ones who were chosen by god to lead
We were still singing hymns about when I was at school that told us to be from anywhere "from Greenland's icy mountains to India's coral Strands (anywhere but England) was to be "In error's chain"   
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Nah, number 4 all over and I'll do my own nose hairs, thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:51 AM

It's OK for you people with hair to lord it over us hirsuteley challenged, is it?

This is how wars start...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: On the cause of Famines
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:27 AM

"I'll do my own nose hairs, thanks."
There's a wonderful joke about a hair ripped from up the nose and rammed into the penis as a cure for a post-pee drip, but is has to be told rather than written to work
Must get together for a pint sometime!
Jim Carroll