Resolution 107, to impeach Obama

Subject: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 07:58 PM

WND : Rep. Walter B. Jones (R-NC) Issues HR 107, Obama Impeachment Bill Now In Congress

Let the president be duly warned.

Rep. Walter B. Jones Jr., R-N.C., has introduced a resolution declaring that should the president use offensive military force without authorization of an act of Congress, "it is the sense of Congress" that such an act would be "an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor."

Specifically, Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution reserves for Congress alone the power to declare war, a restriction that has been sorely tested in recent years, including Obama's authorization of military force in Libya.

In an exclusive WND column, former U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo claims that Jones introduced his House Concurrent Resolution 107 in response to startling recent comments from Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta.

"This week it was Secretary of Defense Panetta's declaration before the Senate Armed Services Committee that he and President Obama look not to the Congress for authorization to bomb Syria but to NATO and the United Nations," Tancredo writes. "This led to Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., introducing an official resolution calling for impeachment should Obama take offensive action based on Panetta's policy statement, because it would violate the Constitution."

http://antinewworldorderparty.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/wnd-rep-walter-b-jones-r-nc-issues-hr-107-obama-impeachment-bill-now-in-c

If Obama unilaterally bombs another country (like he did Libya), he would be impeached under the terms of this resolution.

Contact your congresspeople and encourage them to sign on to this thing. It will help save innocent lives.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 07:59 PM

Oops. This belongs below the line.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 08:11 PM

Read Doe vs Bush.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 08:13 PM

Don't be such a twat Songwronger - the Repubs would bomb ALL of us without any due process or authorisation.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 09:49 PM

The author is an idiot who doesn't understand either history OR the Constitution.

Congress passed the "War Powers Act" back in, I believe, the '50s. Personally I think it should be repealed, but I'm not in Congress and I never intend to be -- I couldn't sink that low.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 10:24 PM

What??? Yet another Republican drooljar calls for a Democrat to be impeached???

Shokingly boring...

Yawn...

BA~

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 10:30 PM

"If Obama unilaterally bombs another country (like he did Libya)—"

That is a tubful of dingo's kidneys! Obama did NOT unilaterally bomb Libya.

That was a UN/NATO operation brought about by Gadaffi's making war on his own people. The enforcement of the No Fly zone in which the U. S. participated was under the command of Royal Canadian Air Force Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard.

The United States is a member of both the UN and NATO. The participation of the United States in the operation was an obligation of membership in these organizations.

Obama-haters strike again!

Where were these people when George W. Bush declared war on Iraq in response to the 9/11 attack when Iraq wasn't even involved?

Disgusting!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 10:46 PM

I protested Bush's actions as strongly as I protest Obama's. Preemptive warfare is wrong. If you support Obama's foreign policy, you support preemptive warfare. You support murder.

Kadaffi ruled for 40 years and then one day he woke up as an oppressor? You tolerated his rule for 4 decades and then supported his murder?

At any rate, congress declares war, not the president. This resolution would notify Obama that he will be impeached if he repeats the type of crime he perpetrated in Libya. Sounds reasonable to me.

Obama just signed an Executive Order saying that he can lock us all up and take everything we have, in peace time, if there's a "threat" to national security. And now he's gearing up to turbocharge George W. Bush's Africom program. A white man couldn't really implement it, but Obama can. The fake Kony video comes out and suddenly the U.S. has to rescue "the children" from the areas around those strategic oil reserves. How humanitarian.

Obama's a Bushite fascist. He's trying to sell you black on black violence while he calls it benevolence.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Songwronger
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 10:53 PM

It amazes me that the "anti-war" Obama supporters are suddenly fine with his African campaigns. When did the disconnect occur? Bush's wars bad, Obama's wars good.

I voted for Obama because he promised to end the wars. He lied. His power needs to be checked by a congressional resolution, because the Democratic voters damn sure aren't doing anything to stop his slaughters. They didn't even mount a primary challege. A resolution telling him he needs to abide by the constitution is reasonable.

So anyway, why IS it okay to kill Africans, you Democrats? Bush killing brown people was bad, but Obama killing blacks is okay? Why is that?

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 10:55 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: MarkS
Date: 18 Mar 12 - 11:45 PM

Bunch of baloney.
Never happen.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 02:17 AM

Songwronger, get a good night's sleep. You're imagination is running away with you.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 01:34 PM

"I protested Bush's actions as strongly as I protest Obama's."

Me too. And so should any person of genuine conscience. Dennis Kucinich, for example, has protested strongly against illegal and unconstitutional wars waged by both George Bush AND Barack Obama. But he's not in office anymore. They gerrymandered his riding out of existence.

"Pre-emptive warfare is wrong."

Correct. It is absolutely wrong, it is illegal, it is the equivalent of you pre-emptively murdering your neighbor because "Well, he might be planning to hurt me someday, and anyway, he's just not nice, he's evil, and I don't like him." Yeah, right! Tell that to the cops when they come to arrest you!!!

Pre-emptive war is utterly and terribly wrong and no country should ever be permitted to take such an action. Any country that does has put itself beyond the pale of acceptable behaviour in a community of nations. The USA and Israel have done so repeatedly, and ought to be regarded as Hitler was regarded when he invaded Poland in 1939. A whole series of American presidents have been complicit in such illegal behaviour...not just Bush...not just Obama...but almost every American president since I can remember.

It's standard behaviour for American presidents to act unconstitutionally, to bypass Congress, and to violate international law. The reason nothing has been done about it is that the USA is far better armed than any other nation, so no one dares to do anything about it. The same is basically true of Israel...only in a smaller geographical area.

"Obama just signed an Executive Order saying that he can lock us all up and take everything we have, in peace time, if there's a "threat" to national security."

Yes, that's right. He did. That makes him a good deal more dangerous domestically than even George Bush was...because he has set the stage to go even farther in domestic oppression than George Bush was enabled to go. And what guarantee is there that he won't act on it? Or that his successors (Democratic or Republican) won't act on it?

None.

Those who discount what he's doing are hiding their heads in the sand, and out of nothing but partisan blindness.

The 2-party system, Songwronger, is achieving exactly what it is set up to achieve by the moneyed elite who firmly control the policies of both of those parties. It plays off one half of your public against the other. It can always rely on the unthinking support of approximately one half of the American public...the half that is blinded by the fact that "their guy" is the guy presently in office...and they will support oppressive actions taken by "their guy" which they wouldn't even DREAM of supporting if the "other party's guy" had taken the same actions.

Thus are 2 completely phony parties used to divide and control a mentally enslaved public.   It's clever. It works. It's the illusion of a democracy, managed from the top down by a financial Oligarchy. Nothing will free you from it except to free yourself from BOTH of those parties AND bring down the Oligarchy that runs them....and that appears to be virtually impossible, as far as I can see.

It would require a complete new mindset on the part of 250 million Americans. I don't think I'm going to see that.

And that's why I don't much bother talking about it anymore. (shrug) I know damn well there's nothing I can do about it. I can only bring down all kinds of toxic reactions and personal attacks on my own head from various partisan people here...and that won't help my life any nor will it change the political scene.

In fact, I've just wasted a couple of minutes of my life even bothering to comment on it here on this thread. And I know that.   So....see y'all later. Maybe. But hopefully...not too soon. And not too often.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 01:35 PM

""A resolution telling him he needs to abide by the constitution is reasonable.""

I remember somebody asking Bush to abide by the Constitution. The response was along the lines of ""Don't tell me about the f**cking Constitution, it's only a goddam piece of paper""

Your concern for that piece of paper only came into operation when the US people elected a Democrat, and a black one at that.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 02:04 PM

This is a very good example of partisan politics, no matter what Mr Obama does, it will be ok in the eyes and minds of Democrats or those of the centre in politics.

I have protested about the drone warfare sanctioned by Mr Obama, which determines that the deaths of a dozen women and children are simply collateral damage and their deaths are the price of one terrorist.

Songwronger points out that political crimes are committed in our name by all parties.....he should be taken seriously if you really want to see the "change" that you keep talking about.

Don attacks Songwronger without addressing the points he and Little Hawk make.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 02:22 PM

It is unlikely any country will ever again "declare war" on any other country. Today's conflicts are seldom about country to country invasions. Even Iraq invading Kuwait was dealt with as a UN matter:

"On August 3, 1990, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 660 condemning the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and demanding that Iraq unconditionally withdraw all forces deployed in Kuwait.[39] After a series of failed negotiations between major world powers and Iraq, the United States-led coalition forces launched a massive military assault on Iraq and Iraqi forces stationed in Kuwait in mid January 1991."

I fear Obama would get MORE criticism for not helping countries with naughty dictators! Indeed, it is happening now regarding Libya.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 02:35 PM

Read Doe vs Bush.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 02:58 PM

Obama--and the United States as a country--will get a load of crap flung at them if they go after dictators who beat up on other counrties and murder their own citizens. And they will get a load of crap flung at them if the don't go after them.

And by the same people.

So it cancels out. Do what NEEDS to be done.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 03:45 PM

To be fair....Mr Obama seemed rather reluctant to become involved in the Libyan debachle.....Hillary the Hawk was the one doing the pushing, running right up to form of course.

Libya was a disgrace, according to all reports it's like the "Wild West", all order removed, militias everywhere,tribal warfare, the country awash with arms......and waiting in the wings the Muslim extremists.

And all made possible by our intervention.
The "liberals" who acted as cheerleaders for the "rebels" have certainly got egg on their faces.

"Useful Idiots"

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 04:00 PM

Well said, Akenaton!...as for Don's post....I agree with that(sorta). Ever notice how the political parties change stripes. The Republicans are looking for 'expanded business opportunities', to rip off everyone, while the Democrats are looking for, and sometimes create 'victims' to exploit into 'victim-hood'...so they can 'offer' them a solution...that costs too much, and increases government control??...to those who don't need or want it!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 05:11 PM

Has anyone read Doe vs Bush? What a fuckin' joke.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 05:17 PM

I seem to remember pointing out the problems with turning Libya into a failed state, but everyone else was gung-ho.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 06:35 PM

Indeed you did Richard.....consequently, my opinion of your insight has risen considerably.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 09:18 PM

I'm familiar with Doe v. Bush. It was indeed a load of crap. But the judge ruled that Bush was good to go on the war because he had the backing of congress. Obama's not consulting congress in his murderous international killing sprees, and our Secretary of Defense says he and the prez aren't answerable to the constitution.

At any rate, Obama's war against blacks in Africa is just a continuation of the Bush administration's Africom policies. Rumsfeld/Bush began Africom but then let it languish while they went on to wreak havoc in the middle east. Now it's time to stir the pot in Africa, and what a coincidence, we have a black man in the white house. Rumsfeld and Cheney couldn't have got away with dirty tricks in Africa, but Obama can.

Or maybe not. That whole Kony fiasco...what a joke. People immediately saw through the CIA op that it was, so they run the guy who did the film down the street naked. Now they'll focus your attention on his wee wee and you'll forget that Obama's about to murder a million or so for the big banks. Or not. I hope that Jones' resolution gains some support.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: number 6
Date: 19 Mar 12 - 10:28 PM

Any attempts at impeachment will not resolve any problems .... people should pay more attention to what and who they are voting for.

biLL

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 07:32 PM

As much as I'm not particularly a fan of this guy, I think that an impeachment, at this place in the game would take longer, be even more divisive, and expensive, than just waiting a few months, for the election...besides, after the election, a lot of people will have the notion that Obama was actually 'replaced' by someone else.

Personally, I'd like to see ALL ballots with an additional choice: "None of the above"
If that box wins more votes, than the candidates 'offered', the President would step down, the Vice President take over, for a period, while another election is held.

Fair enough??

GfS

P.S. YIKES!..Biden as President???????????..Holy Shit!

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 10:10 AM

Rep. Walter B. Jones evidently has way too much time on his hands.

Subject: RE: Resolution 107, to impeach Obama
From: GUEST,999
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 09:59 PM

True, Greg, but imo the rest of us don't.