BS: G.B. and N.I.?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:03 AM

Big Al Whittle. The point I was attempting to make is that worthwhile contributions are also made by those without formal qualifications.
Possession of a degree does not separate the wheat from the chaff, far from it. and as a complete by the bye one of the cleverest scientists I ever worked with spent the first 15 years of his working life as a slaughterman in an abattoir.
Any teacher that uses humiliation as a weapon is not fit to teach.

Shaw go away and annoy someone else. You have no idea what my qualifications are. As a consultant scientist it should be obvious that I have formal qualifications. Unlike you I do not feel the need to draw attention to the fact.

"The fact that you can come out with that falsehood over such a simple matter ....."
Did your educashun not teach you what an implicit and/or is?
You are becoming a sad little man.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:40 AM

Your posts are there for all to read, if anyone can be arsed to check what you've posted. Again, you argue in favour of the cult of philistinism. I also know some wonderful people who didn't go to university, or even do 'O' or 'A' Levels. I know a good few who did do all that, just as wonderful they are too. Rather than worry about all that, or get all jealous of those with better FORMAL educations than either mine, or especially yours or Teribus's, I prefer to see people in the round, for their common humanity, aspirations and achievements. A lot of people with degrees will tell you that the actual piece of paper is irrelevant once they've launched out into tbe world beyond academia. But a sound education is a great setup for life as long as you stay grounded. Unlike with you and Teribus, that means staying cool, calm and measured, without the ranting, raving insulting behaviour and inferiority complex with all its associated insecurities that typifies most of your posts.

I'm glad I annoyed you, by the way. That could be a sign of progress. I await with relish tbe heather thread. Why don't you and Bill get your heads together in a joint effort?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 07:45 AM

"The only yo yo posting is you jimbo"
Are you really not capable of posting information rather than insult, Iains?
Every posting you make attempts to takl down to people who disagre with you
It would be unpleasant if your technique was original - as it is, it is little more than snide comments repeated almost verbatim from others.
"sad little man"
I disagree with Al strongly on some points, but I find people with inflated ego who make comments like that far sadder.
You have made your point - you have little to offer other than insult - we really do understand that
Now let's if what you have to say on the subject is any more acceptable - or can we only expect being talked down to 'spect so!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 08:09 AM

How can a "mental midge that does not know his place"t talk down to you jimmy?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 08:27 AM

"How can a "mental midge that does not know his place"t talk down to you jimmy?"
You have confirmed that you have nothing to say on.... - well anything really
Thank you for your succinct reply
Not even the entertainment value of originality - a somewhat pale shadow of Teribus's insecurity
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 09:02 AM

the worse thing - well one of the worse things about the insult is that it impedes the exchange of ideas.

its bad enough because it makes us people of ill will. and the illest will always takes mean spirited delight in the shittiest insult he can think of.

i know, i've done it myself.

but take this Irish problem.. Two cultures living on a small island. it doesn't have to be India/Pakistan.

an exchange of sensible ideas without insults as to how the two cultures could be honoured. that's got to be the start - not the thin lipped negotiations we see so often - with everyone just an unguarded word away from kicking the table over.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 09:33 AM

"it doesn't have to be India/Pakistan."
Too late, I'm afraid Al
It has been suffering the Post Colonial Blues since independence
The Brits, having had their arses kicked firmly out of the Cointry, decided to maintain an interest by leaving six counties in a 'safe pair of hands' in the sahpe of a viciously sectarian party - "monsters, but our monsters' - the u.S. attitude ato all despotic regimes sympathetic to their own interests
As a people, the Irish are extremely tolerant and friendly to all - it takes the politicos and their marches and displays of 'superiority' to drive a wedge in between them
That was how the six counties were governed - an unequal society where a substantial majority were regarded as second class citizens.
The Civil Rights protests began peacefully enough but were directed through mobs of screaming mobs of bottle-throwing thugs - hence the violence of the 1970s/80s
It is simplistic to put this down to religious differences - it had far more to do with maintaining political power than it did which brand of Christianity people favoured.
I know this from personal experience living in an from English city where people worked sisde to side for 363 days of the year, but were divided into hostile clans by arrogant displays in the second week of July
Try walking down Netherfield Road or the dock area then and you took your safety in your hands
That is what I was referring to by the bowler hatted, besashed "little men"   
The balance in the North East has now levelled out and with the aid of Brexit, Ireland can return to being a single country again - hopefully without a return to violence.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 10:35 AM

I was wondering where all the arguing had gone. I'm disappointed in you, lads. I thought we had learned not to let Keith lead people by the nose to where he wants to go again? Anyway, I have just spent an unpleasant 20 minutes or so wading through the mire and would only make these points.

First

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus - PM
Date: 29 Aug 17 - 03:44 AM

...(Note to Gnome and to Raggy in this context the phrase "the beginning of time" is merely an expression - it does not mean literally from the beginning of time). The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war.

I have made no comment on this thread until now and I have not been involved in an argument about the troubles in Ireland of any era. Why bring me into it at all?

Second, on a more general basis.

If the EU dictates to the Republic that it must have a hard border but Dublin says no, then who is going to police that border? Can anyone see EU troops manning the checkpoints against the wish of the Irish government? Should be interesting!

Finally, I suspect that if the moderation team are drawn to read even a tiny part of this thread I believe it will have a very limited life.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:05 AM

Tell me Gnome what has an explanation of the use of the phrase "the beginning of time" and advice that it must not be taken literally got to do with Ireland?

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:10 AM

You tell me! I have never been involved with any such nonsense.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:42 AM

none of us have a clue what will happen after brexit. my own feeling is that it won't happen. i don't think the present government is committed to it.

i hope Ireland will become a united country.

i'm fully acquainted with with Liverpool catholic perspective. My Aunt Rose was a headmistress there. She may have taught you Jim. A fierce woman.

Having heard her, i think that's the main reason i think things MUST change before things can move forward> God help anyone who had to negotiate with her.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 11:51 AM

""the beginning of time""
You, in your usal inaccurate manner, introduced the phrase into this discussion by suggesting that they first started fighting each other
"The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war."
The didn't win their "independence" they won a partitioned Ireland imposed on them at gunpoint, that was what the Civil War was about - a direct result of the Empire clinging onto its former holdings - plenty of other examples of that happening - the partitioning of India lad to one million dead and fifteen million displaced.
You are usually the first to object when people use terms like "the beginning of time" yet here, you here you go excusing yourself for doing similar
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:17 PM

From the Irish Times. Someone must be getting very worried to produce this article.


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/why-ireland-should-seriously-consider-irexit-1.3202154

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:30 PM

"Someone must be getting very worried to produce this article."
That's been a debating point since the British decision to leave last year
Old news with little support here here.
There have always been opponents of membership - pity for them that Ireland, of all countries did so well (with The Celtic Tiger) until greedy bankers ***** up the economy.
We have our predatory classes same as everywhere else
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 12:34 PM

You should have carried on reading, Iains. The first eight or nine comments below the article (that's as far as I got) make a damn sight more sense than the apparently rabid, fantasy-world europhobe who wrote the article.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:11 PM

You are talking rubbish as usual Carrol. The article is 16 hours old.
The Irish government is worried about the downside of brexit.
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/varadkar-reveals-the-seven-key-risks-brexit-poses-for-irish-life-36083257.html
even the gruniard repeated the article. Your own little socialist newspaper Shaw. He is also an economist, not a biologist so probably a little more clued up on the realities than your goodself, who always lets ideology over ride common sense.
With Brexit completed Ireland becomes marginalised and goods exported through the UK could attract dues for using the transport network.
The last figures I saw gave only 1% of trailer traffic shipped direct to mainland. Europe.
Until the details of brexit are settled all things are possible and Ireland will be directly impacted irregardless.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:19 PM

Opinion articles are not news, Iains. Jim referred to old news, which that sort of bleating is. Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:38 PM

"The article is 16 hours old."
AND THIS ARTICLE IS TEN MONTHS OLD
and this one eight months old

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM

Do you not get tired of displaying your idiocy Iains?
The question of Ireland leaving Euraope hase been a matter of debate for at least the 19 years we have lived here
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:41 PM

"Irregardless"

😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:53 PM

Laugh away "emoji" Steve - "irregardless" IS a word that has been in use for about a century. God you must have been a useless teacher.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 01:58 PM

Keep it up boys. So a grammarian as well as a biologist Shaw.What a multi talented buffoon you are. Perhaps you should waste some time pointing out your running mates atrocious spelling. It almost equals his arguments.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:29 PM

I guess we will never find out why you decided to involve me in an argument that I was never part of then Tezzer. Probably better not knowing I suppose. If you deign to enlighten us it may warrant a response. Otherwise there is nothing more to say on the matter.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:41 PM

Dave,
If the EU dictates to the Republic that it must have a hard border but Dublin says no,

The same as would happen if a member state wanted to close its border to free movement of labour.

It can not do so and remain a member.

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 02:52 PM

The result of Brexit on Irish exports will be considerable if a hard border is imposed by the EU
http://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/majority-of-exporters-travel-through-britain-to-ship-goods-overseas-35517444.html

http://www.politico.eu/article/cargo-food-production-producers-brexit-burns-irelands-british-bridge-to-eu-markets/

http://www.budget.gov.ie/Budgets/2017/Documents/An_Exposure_Analysis_of_Sectors_of_the_Irish_Economy%20_final.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:12 PM

"Perhaps you should waste some time pointing out your running mates atrocious spelling."

Or I could point out your atrocious punctuation in your missing out a crucial apostrophe. Or that there is no such construction as " multi talented."

Cast out the plank. 😂

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:14 PM

I know that people one either side of any discussion are often accused of being irrational etc etc ..........

However when one individual actually names a person in their post who has not even contributed to the thread in any way, shape, size or form, one has to consider whether any of that persons posts are valid.

I refer to:

"Note to Gnome and to Raggy in this context the phrase "the beginning of time" is merely an expression - it does not mean literally from the beginning of time). The very first thing they embarked on having won their "independence" was a civil war"

Dave, up to that point had not posted to this thread at all.

Teri-towelling attacked him without reason.

Make your own minds up !

Subject: RE: BS: G.B. and N.I.?
From: Iains
Date: 30 Aug 17 - 03:27 PM

Well Shaw I see you have an endless talent for making a fool of yourself. Please continue!