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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Fred McCormick Date: 26 Aug 09 - 11:55 AM "The BNP are racist, anti-semetic, homophobic (wonder how many closeted cases there are in the BNP?)" Ollie. I was just wondering that myself. Whilst I am totally opposed to homophobia, even when applied to gay members of the far right, I'm beginning to wonder if the BNP ever came to power, whether it would end up exterminating a large segment of its own membership. First of all, it's well known that Martin Webster - not a BNP member, granted, but the one time second in command of the National Front - is gay. It's also well known that he claims to have had a gay relationship with Nick Griffin. Griffin denies it of course, but he would wouldn't he. Then I was reading a BBC news report a while ago about an MI5 mole who managed to infiltrate the National Front. According to the report, homosexuality is extremely prevalent among the far right, and said mole got a lot of his intelligence by sleeping with male fascists. Then just yesterday I learned that Eoghan O'Duffy, pre-war leader of the Irish blueshirt fascist movement was also a closet homosexual. None of this is very conclusive of course. But in the cases of Webster and O'Duffy and any others like them, could it be that that their identification with fascism has some psychological derivation from their homosexuality? IE., I'm wondering if such indivduals turn to fascism as a way of overcompensating for their self perceived failure to measure up to what they regard as 'normal' standards of decency. BTW., a chilling note. Although the Third Reich ended up exterminating between ten and fifteen thousand homosexuals, official policy was to quote "re-educate" them. BNP policy is to quote "reform" homosexuals and the congenitally disabled. Reforming with a gas chamber, I rather think. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 26 Aug 09 - 12:12 PM Now this is interesting reading: The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party warning: turn on your pop up blocker for this site, I was cascaded with pop up ads when I opened it. Stand and be Counted! Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:06 PM Mrs Beak - having stood up to count and taken off my socks, I made that three halves to your ancestry. Confusing! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:14 PM I'm one quarter Welsh, one quarter Scots = one half and half Mohawk = the other half equals Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) "Ok Charlie.....(can I call you Charlie?) Yes you can, everyone else does (my kids call me a proper charlie, sometimes *LOL* now will someone please pick Ralph up...wait! that didn't come out right *LOL* |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Richard Bridge Date: 26 Aug 09 - 01:40 PM And then there was "Dad's from England" - made up another half so that's three halves!! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:10 PM ......my dad was born England, of a Welsh father and a Scots mother hence my quarter and quarter.... Now back to our regular scheduled programming Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:24 PM Did anyone see This I mean where does it all stop? Stand be Counted! Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:24 PM Bit of Angle..Smidge of Saxon.. Maybe in the mists of time a Hun or two? (Maybe a Goth...or indeed a Visigoth!) Probably some Frenchy Norman stuff. Deffo on the Celt Side...Grandfather from Cork. Hope there is a bit of Scandiwegian in there. (It would account for my musical proclivities) No hint of Welsh though...Ho Hum. Can't win them all. Bah Humbug.....not a Gerbil in sight! |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Fred McCormick Date: 26 Aug 09 - 02:51 PM Guess what folks. I've just had a request from Facebook informing me that one Sam Hudson, member of the British National Party, wants to add me as a friend. Sam, I've got some very peculiar friends but none as peculiar as you. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:06 PM well, well, well, our mystery friend (not really a friend) has surfaced again has he? Does this person have NO shame? (silly question really). An attempt at divide and conquer? (nope, Sam H doesn't have brains for that Just plain peculiar? That's probably as close as it gets, Fred. Ralph, I'm glad we finally have all this sorted out *LOL* Stand and be Counted! Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) the BNP are not my friends |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Peace Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:15 PM The BNP are assholes. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Fred McCormick Date: 26 Aug 09 - 03:20 PM After receiving the said email I remembered that I have an old and unused Facebook account. I've just de-activated it and suggest anybody who gets a "friendship" message from someone like that should do the same. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:03 AM "Subject: RE: BS: Legal action over BNP membership From: GUEST,Sam - PM Date: 27 Aug 09 - 09:34 AM Joe Offer made it VERY CLEAR there would only be ONE BNP thread on mudcat, currently there are THREE (including Richard's ego driven paraniod one). Would someone please remove two as Joe requested. Thank you What's the matter, dearie, feeling a wee bit insecure, are we, with all the justified attacks on your racist, anti-semetic, homophobic friends? Well, you know what? That's just TOO bad, if you don't like it, go away! Stand and Be Counted! Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) Uppity "Indian" |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:22 PM This from the Home Affairs Desk of the BBC: Racists kidnapped Muslim leader and the quote from Councillor Pat Richardson, leader of the BNP group on Epping Forest District Council, She said: "It's terrible, I don't agree with these illegal actions. I must say the BNP has no link to the incident. and the moon is made from green cheese eh Pat? Stand and Be Counted! Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) Uppity "Indian" chick |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:35 PM Please keep the politics in the BS threads and keep this one for FaF events. gigs, promotion, and music issues so that this important subject doesn't get bumped down below the line. BTW are any FaF gigs or events in the pipeline? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:39 PM "Please keep the politics in the BS threads" - SPB-Cooperator the one is inter-twined with the other, it was politics that led to the music that led to the creation of FaF in the first place. Please pay attention in future. Charlotte Olivia Robertson Uppity "Indian" chick |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Aug 09 - 12:55 PM True, but this thread started out about what FaF has been doing, but now it is duplicating the discussing and arguments in the other two threads, and if it gets booted down to BS then things like Sam/Realist and his/her BNP cronies will have succeeded in marginalising what FaF is achieving. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,JaneB Date: 27 Aug 09 - 01:16 PM I was at Sidmouth and went to the launch, which I thought was great. I was expecting the speeches first, just like Mr Harris. But I thought that was because I am, even worse than an ageing hippie, a red nappy baby(US usage red-diaper). The left also has its traditions, some of which are boring and alienating. Why not try doing it differently for once? The point was not for folk music to single-handedly defeat the fascist hordes but to make it clear that we will not let the BNP sing, dance or speak claiming it is in our name. On a slightly separate tack, thinking about how to counterxenophobia in folk music while preserving and developing music in the folk idiom, perhaps it is time to challenge the Ewan McColl dictum that you should only sing the music of your own country. (He notably failed to follow his own advice). Dogan Mehmet shows how Turkish tunes can revitalise English music (and for all I know English tunes revitalise Turkish ones). Perhaps we should be on the look out for non-English folk musicians to invite to our clubs and events. Some of us might consciously include the odd "foreign" folk song in our sets. Last week at Bodmin Folk Club the evening concluded with 2 Londoners, a Scot and an Ulster-man joining a "Proper Cornish" couple to sing a Cornish anthem. It was done quite unself-consciously but made an interesting point. Trouble is African music is, musically too difficult for me, better brush up on my Japanese:) Jane B |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Emma B Date: 27 Aug 09 - 01:54 PM 'This from the Home Affairs Desk of the BBC: Racists kidnapped Muslim leader' This news item was already reported in some detail at 07:31 AM (mudcat time) this morning in an appropiate thread in the BS section - I agree that this thread should be kept for discussions about music or the demands, by some, for it to be delegated to BS will appear to have validity. It's not just folk performers who have been usurped by the BNP however. The Love Music Hate Racism campaign grew out of the Rock against Racism movement and shows what our record shops might look like if the racists got their way on you tube Blur and Pink Floyd are among musicians demanding the British National Party stops selling their music to raise campaign funds. The BNP's commercial partner, Excalibur, sells a range of compilation CDs with titles such as Proud Heritage, Rule Britannia and The White Cliffs of Dover And meanwhile, 'the BNP blow tens of thousands of pounds of BNP members donations renting, equipping and staffing the studio that the BNP set-up to record music for a risible BNP front called (as if to willingly confirm that the BNP are sharks) Great White Records. GWR produces 3rd rate volk songs by BNP chairman Nick Griffin and pours BNP money into propping-up the walking PR disaster known as BNP pop "star" Joey Smith (aka failed BNP Dewsbury election candidate Joseph Barber).' - because it recognizes the power of music and song So let's keep this thread rolling (rocking too!) for information about gigs, events or music discussion |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:40 PM Of course this thread should stay above the line. In fact it probably is the most important music thread of all. Thats not disparaging all the threads on instruments, song roots, and other fascinating information, but, the insidious rise of misplaced nationalism is a real threat to us all. And, the wilful theft and misrepresentation of artists work (and I include other genres, ie. Rock, etc, in this) against their will, cannot be tolerated. Hopefully the website should be up and running in a week or so, and no doubt Ms Archer will let us know when it is. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 27 Aug 09 - 02:45 PM "So let's keep this thread rolling (rocking too!) for information about gigs, events or music discussion" - Emma B. The forth-coming website will in all likelyhood provide all the aforementioned information, thus, eventually, making this thread redundant. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) Uppity "Indian" chick |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Flashmeister Date: 27 Aug 09 - 05:22 PM To stay somewhat on topic (!) I'm getting a little crew together to start making motions to host a Luton FaF event and get that sorted so hopefully that'll come together nicely in time for the April/May event calender. Anyone in the Beds, Herts, Bucks area who wants to get involved PM me (And no, I will not be entertaining nor rising to the feeble bait of BNP apologists or crypto-fascist trolls via PM :-) thank you) Also as an aside i feel it is pretty important to make our voices heard that the attempted infiltration and hijacking of trad events and music will not be tolerated. I for one will do my level best to counter any BNP nonsense and personally find that posters like 'Sam' read very much like a propaganda leaflet so I when they crop up in threads I 'virtually' screw it up and throw it away like i would teh paper copy )paper BNP leaflets are second to none for scooping cat shit out of the flower beds i find!!) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Sam Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:21 PM Joe, there are currently three BNP threads up here at present, two below the line and one above, this one (Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth has turned into another). If you read the comments (today) you will see that the troll that arrived here last month is stirring the pot on all of them. Please keep to your word and place a limit of only one at a time. You do recall saying that ? Thanks Sam
What I said was that we would allow one thread discussing the BNP to be active at a time. However, I said we will also allow separate threads for events, such as this one discussing the Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth. As has been recognized by some posters, the discussion is curtailed when it moves away from discussion of the event. But that is of no concern to you, since you are merely an uninvited and unwelcome guest here, and you have not even done us the courtesy of telling us who you really are. -Joe Offer, Forum Moderator- |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Emma B Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:22 PM 'pot'? calling kettle? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Sam Date: 27 Aug 09 - 08:47 PM Right, got your message Joe. So as I understand it, you move the goal posts according to the level of pressure from the inner circle, have I got it right ? So if someone starts a thread about "shoes" and spots a BNP member wearing a similar pair and forty posts later they are still talking about the BNP and nobody is talking about shoes that is acceptable to you ? By the way, I AM member Sam Hudson, lost password, a few here know me. Sam
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,fiddley Date: 27 Aug 09 - 10:32 PM when there's a BNP Morris side then we're in trouble |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Smokey. Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:31 PM Oh I don't know, Fiddley - swastika armbands with bells attached, tin hats, jackboots, goose-stepping their way through 'The Nuremberg Processional'.. It'd give passers-by something to spit at. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Peace Date: 27 Aug 09 - 11:48 PM "By the way, I AM member Sam Hudson, lost password, a few here know me. Sam" Why are you stealing identities on Facebook? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Richard Bridge elsewhere on his network Date: 28 Aug 09 - 02:11 AM Well, Sam, interesting if true. Now also please tell us why you are seeking information on "Roger the Chorister" from your fakebook nazi cronies - unless it is to threaten? And why you have recently joined a number of groups such as "I hate Emma B", "Emma B is a lesbian group", why you are a fan of the fake mudcat, why you befriended the fake "Mad Murdoch", "Old Richard" (whoever he is supposed to be) and that strange sax player from St Cloud. And why you are also conspiring with your nazi cronies to pretend that I sent abusive messages to "Leah Green" (although she appears to welcome them from so many others, including some of quite disturbing appearance)? Or are you now going to pretend that although you are "Sam Hudson" here you are not "Sam Hudson" there? |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:47 AM Well, there is an August 1997 post by a member Sam Hudson - about Altan. In 1998 the same member was looking for the words to a song from "the Little Red Songbook". Not very like the current "Sam" on here, is it? Moreover, the member Sam made very few posts, which hardly sits very well with the current assertions by him to Mrs Beak stating that Mrs Beak was a noob whereas the member Sam well established. I wonder if the current user of the BNP's lonely brain cell was using a search function to see what had been said here about the fakebook Sam Hudson, discovered the not-recently-used membership, and decided to see if he could con the 'cat into letting him in as a member. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 28 Aug 09 - 04:53 AM RB, Joe will demote this thread to BS, if it goes off topic. Have a care.. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Owen Woodson Date: 28 Aug 09 - 05:52 AM Ralphie:- Hopefully the (FAF) website should be up and running in a week or so........... That's excellent news. Any chance we can launch it with one of those tankards of English ale, so beloved of our enemies, and a few appropriate songs? Seriously, I don't know whether FAF will include a forum. If there is one I trust that it will be very strictly moderated,with no fights, no flame wars, no off-topic postings, nu guests, and no closet fascists. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 28 Aug 09 - 10:08 AM "RB, Joe will demote this thread to BS, if it goes off topic. Have a care.. " -Crow Sister Last time I looked Altan were a musical entity, therefore what Richard is saying is within the mandate of this thread, mine wasn't, and for that I do apologise to the thread participants, but racism (sometimes extreme) has been a part of my life, for all of my life. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) uppity "Indian" chick |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 28 Aug 09 - 08:16 PM Owen. Really don't know if the FaF website will have a forum. Somehow I doubt it. The organisers are really busy people and I think that to moderate a forum would be a bit too much. I'd rather they carried on the organisational work for next years gigs. But it will hopefully be a useful bookmark to see what is up and coming. Well, we'll see in a bit won't we! Anyway there is a FaF group on Face book, where discussions can tale place. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Owen Woodson Date: 31 Aug 09 - 05:31 AM Ralphie. FAF website forum. I agree with your priorities. However, with the best will in the world, Mudcat isn't best placed to moderate the fascist hordes, or control the in-fighting that keeps breaking out among our own side, and is most annoying and counterproductive. Two possibilities spring to my mind. 1. Could the FAF organisers get someone to moderate a forum for them? 2. If that's not feasible, I wonder if a FAF Yahoo Group, independent of the main organisation but closely reflecting its aims and policies might be a goer? The sort of thing I have in mind is analogous to Tradsong Forum, where one person maintains the TSF website, and someone else runs the Yahoo discussion group. If you've never tried one, Yahoo groups are easily monitored. Plus, the way BNP threads keep breaking out all over Mudcat is starting to worry even me. Let's see what comes out the FAF site first anyway. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Ralphie Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:33 AM Hi Owen. Fair points well made. As we all know, the very fact that Mudcat is (mainly) un-moderated, is a good and a bad thing. Good that it allows vigourous debate, but bad when it's targeted by the likes of the bnp, who will stop at nothing to subvert any thread. As you say, let's wait until the website is up and running, and I'm sure the organisers would welcome ideas from the rest of us. (They're still probably travelling back from Towersey and Shrewsbury!) Ralph |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Taconicus Date: 01 Sep 09 - 09:46 AM The merits of the respective parties aside, this seems like a serious case of "Political use of folk music for me, but not for thee." |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 01 Sep 09 - 10:49 AM Owen and Ralph - a forum in another place may or may not be possible or desirable (they're free and easy to set up but hard to keep spam-free, never mind keeping out the flame-throwers). But a forum elsewhere won't stop the topic cropping up here ALL the time - and Mudcat will always get far more traffic than any FaF-controlled site. So FaF supporters will always have to keep an eye on here, and react as required. No point in spreading the workload too wide. Taconicus. Every opinion is political. Even moderate middle ground views are political. Nothing wrong with that. In this situation moderate political views are being expressed to counteract some extreme political views. That's not "Political use of folk music for me, but not for thee," it's just opinions. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:12 PM Personally I believe a forum at the FaF site is a tremendous idea, and a moderated one at that. "No point in spreading the workload too wide" - GUEST,Tom Bliss get more people involved in the process and stop making excuses. No point in spreading the workload too wide - GUEST,Tom Bliss same as above. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Taconicus Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:22 PM Tom, I'm not talking about opinions here on this forum (wherever it is; I no longer see this thread when I go to "Forum Home" or the mudcat.org main page thread list). I'm talking about the hypocrisy in this particular movement, which is fairly blatant. It is NOT just moderate political views being expressed to counteract extreme political views (definition of "extreme": whatever the ~other guy~ is saying). This seems to be an attempt to silence the other guy, that's all. The following is from the BBC News article referenced (and linked) in the first post in this thread. "Music has been a very powerful political tool, usually for the left. What concerns me is that the BNP could do the same thing from a far-ight perspective." - Joan Crump, founder of "Folk Against Fascism." The movement may have had its origins in the objections by artists to use of their own songs for purposes to which they do not subscribe, but as applied it seems to be premised on the principle that only the left have the moral right to use folk music for political purposes. And that is, indeed, "political use of folk music for me, but not for thee." The people who most loudly decry the use of folk music by ~those people~ to push ~their~ political causes, seem to be the first to object to any suggestion that they shouldn't use folk music themselves to push their own political causes on any audience who just showed up to hear some good music. Now the actual expression of the movement, if it comprises singing songs that give their own point of view, I'm all for that. What I'm calling out is the notion that folk music must be the exclusive province of only one camp. When that becomes fact, it will only be because freedom of speech has ceased to exist. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 01 Sep 09 - 12:50 PM Careful Taconicus, next the old line "if you're not with us then you're against us' will be hurled at you.Somwhere in this thread Jon Boden commented that he did not want to see FaF become a tool of the left, to which I agreed, unfortunately I think it maybe too late, FaF has become just that. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Taconicus Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:04 PM Thanks for the concern, Ms. Ollivia. But most political movements (and I mean "political" in the original sense of the word) do become political in the partisan sense, some more quickly than others. That's just the way of the world, as is having to dodge brickbats when you speak out about anything, and people start pointing at you and chanting "You are not of the body!" (old Star Trek reference, there). I'm not too worried; most folks here are pretty friendly despite our differences (and thank goodness for differences). |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:08 PM Charlotte - have you ever moderated a forum? It can demand a lot of time and attention, and a forum that's likely to be as contentious as a FaF one would need a great deal of moderating. I'm not saying don't do it, specially if volunteers can be found, but bear in mind that like motorways forums can create more traffic than they relieve (and a FaF one would would soon attract BnB supporters and become battleground). My main point was to remind others that starting a FaF forum would not remove the topic from Mudcat. I won't mention mudmod policy here, because I may not, but I can say that there are plenty of people with enlightened views on this website, so in that sense Mudcat is self-moderating, and that's a good thing if we want open-minded debate around thius. Taconicus if understand what you're saying I don't think you need to worry on that score if you are a genuine supporter of freedom. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:10 PM "You are not of the body!" (old Star Trek reference, there)." - Taconicus then there is, of course "We are The Borg, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!" (sorry couldn't resist!) Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: GUEST,Tom Bliss Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:12 PM Yep, it's those bloomin Bed and Breakfast guys - they're the real enemy! I don't think FaF will be taken over by the left. Far too many folkies (specially the ones with microphones) are wet greeny, baby-blue/pink liberals like me. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 01 Sep 09 - 01:18 PM "Charlotte - have you ever moderated a forum?" - GUEST Tom Bliss Yes I have and still do, and I'm perfectly aware of the time taken to maitasin it. It's a matter of budgeting my time so that I have all my bases covered. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive) Date: 01 Sep 09 - 02:21 PM apart form the fact that GUEST,fashionista has no real standing on these threads due to the 'guest' status, me thinks this person talks out of both sides of his/her mouth. A very slight condemnation of the BNP. "The BNP talk big but there is hardly any evidence of actual infiltration" and a good old-fashioned slamming of the left in the rest of the posting. Oh and GUEST,fashionista, you are the one throwing the trndy political catch phrases (crypto-fascists) around, no one else has. Charlotte Olivia Robertson (Ms) (neither right nor left) |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Folkiedave Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:09 PM Those who won't will be branded "crypto-fascists" and driven out of the folk scene. I'll break my usual rule not to reply to people who don't sign in - and ask for the person who wrote this to show how this could be done. Expulsion is something the BNP are good at - which is why Matthew Single published the membership list. But I don't know how the folk world could do this. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Sep 09 - 03:21 PM There is an answer (to our 41-post new member would-be latin BNP troll) based on the natural and historical politics of folk music - but it would be a BS topic. |
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Subject: RE: Folk Against Fascism launch at Sidmouth From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 02 Sep 09 - 05:05 PM "Tim" the problem with your last assertion is that frankly no-body expects the latest "Guest Tim Whomever" to re-post anything. But we do expect Tom, or Bob or Ben or Lisa or Sam or any other number of inconsistant "Guests" with no apparent genuine interest (other than that a very superficial ideological one, inspired by far right-wing propaganda) to keep re-inventing themselves in ever increasing new on-line forms, just like the Hydra of Greek Myth. |
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