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BS: Let's talk about the US election

Helen 20 Dec 24 - 12:23 PM
Bill D 20 Dec 24 - 01:10 PM
Donuel 21 Dec 24 - 07:54 AM
Backwoodsman 21 Dec 24 - 02:27 PM
The Sandman 21 Dec 24 - 03:45 PM
Big Al Whittle 21 Dec 24 - 06:20 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Dec 24 - 03:47 AM
The Sandman 22 Dec 24 - 04:19 AM
gillymor 22 Dec 24 - 06:31 AM
Backwoodsman 22 Dec 24 - 10:05 AM
Stilly River Sage 22 Dec 24 - 11:49 AM
Sandra in Sydney 22 Dec 24 - 07:06 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Dec 24 - 09:39 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Dec 24 - 11:32 PM
Dave the Gnome 23 Dec 24 - 04:38 AM
Donuel 23 Dec 24 - 07:18 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Helen
Date: 20 Dec 24 - 12:23 PM

I read this ABC (Oz) article yesterday and I don't fully understand how the US political system works so I was a bit confused, but my previous comment about a glimmer of hope was definitely sparked:

US Congress rejects Trump-backed spending plan leaving government on brink of shutdown

"In short:

"A day before a potential government shutdown, the US Congress resoundingly rejected president-elect Donald Trump's new plan to fund operations and suspend the debt ceiling.

"Democrats blasted the bill and 38 Republicans voted against it too, with one representative saying he was 'sickened' by the package.
What's next?

"Speaker of the House Mike Johnson advised the US to 'stay tuned' and said 'we will come up with another solution'."

I get really confused about the option to shut down the government, which includes not paying Federal government employees for a month. Why? What's the point or benefit of even considering doing that?

I also watched the short video on Bill D's link, with the heading "'Government is for grown-ups and Republicans are children': Musk, Trump spark chaos on spending bill". The commentary on that was good, in my opinion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 24 - 01:10 PM

MSNBC is my go to source for careful analysis of current events. I watch it live on TV, and then do to its website for reminders. Lawrence O'Donnell worked as a Senate staffer years ago and in my opinion does the best clarification of the issues. He often has Andrew Weissman and Neil Katyal on to really dig deep on constitutional issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 07:54 AM

Robert Riech says the 2 trillion dollar spending cuts will come from Social Security, Medicare, removing regulations of safety and health, removing anti-trust measures, lower taxes on billionaires, and labor laws for unions all to serve the interest of billionaires and free up money to be divided by the wealthy.

Musk will shield Trump from the blowback regarding the cuts in these third-rail issues that began with FDR. Time will tell if Musk makes much headway beyond tax cuts for billionaires. Defense spending is probably excluded from the 2025 DOGE plans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 02:27 PM

I wish you Yanks would speak English. WTF are ‘third rail issues’? We don’t all speak in your secret code.

The "third rail" is the electrified one in the subway that will kill you if you step on or touch it. It is to the far side of the track from the platform, and is in view in any subway station you're in, but if anyone gets down on the tracks, it must be avoided at all costs. ---mudelf


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 03:45 PM

The third rail of a nation's politics is a metaphor for any issue so controversial that it is "charged" and "untouchable" to the extent that any politician or public official who dares to broach the subject will invariably suffer politically. from wiki

Backwoodsman, i have no idea if this is what donuel means


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Dec 24 - 06:20 PM

From what I understand (which isn't much) resistance to the Trump juggernaut will be pretty much impossible, futile even.

I'm uncomfortable with the labelling of Trump voters as stupid.

Can that many people be stupid?

Someone said to me, who had never voted tory in their life when Thatcher kept getting elected.
Maybe its the government we need at this point. I didn't see it at the time. Not sure I do now, but the future seems quite imponderable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 03:47 AM

Never underestimate the power or stupidity of the mob, Al. Especially when the media are winding them up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 04:19 AM

I would prefer to wait and see what his policies are, to do otherwise is making a prejudgement


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: gillymor
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 06:31 AM

I've already seen his shit show once, that's more than enough for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 10:05 AM

”Never underestimate the power or stupidity of the mob, Al. Especially when the media are winding them up.”

Right on the button Dave, the UK’s own act of wilful self-harm - Brexit - being the prime example.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 11:49 AM

Blame it on an inability to understand the economy and how policy influences it. Trump inherited the economy from Obama that had done a lot of work to rescue people after Bush's 2008 crunch. Trump gave away all of the benefit to rich folks with the tax breaks, the new tax forms took away the ability of regular people to itemize things like mortgage payments and removed the incentive to make charitable donations. He left a mess that Biden cleaned up but everything still costs more now and those who look fondly at the Obama economy believed Trump telling them he'd bring down the price of groceries. He won't, and they're about to find that out the hard way.

Trump can't keep his mouth shut and keep his hands off of the Biden administration so we're watching all of his tampering. It is encouraging that the House and Senate Republicans finally decided to ignore Trump's demand about the debt ceiling (he wanted the damage done to the Biden administration now, not to his own). The things taken out of the first bill that Musk squashed and Trump jumped in to agree were mostly added back with a subsequent bill later in the day (mostly to do with cancer research for children.) Raising the debt ceiling would have let he get away with a lot of fiscal nonsense (more tax cuts for the folks who are even richer now than they were four years ago).

We are expecting that behind the scenes some kind of preemptive private pardons are being offered and witnessed, only to be revealed if the Trump folks go after managers and witnesses in the January 6 or in the two impeachment hearings. All it takes is a hint of that happening and the upcoming toxic Justice Department will back off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 07:06 PM

just heard trump talking(?) about the Panama Canal - he's gunna take it back cos those Panamanians charge too much to use it.

Big Kid has spoken.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 09:39 PM

I've read a couple of Dr. Daniel Amen's books on brain health. He's a psychiatrist who also does diagnostic brain scans. He offers lots of tips for dealing with various brain conditions and types. And one of the things he points out is that goofy thoughts pop into our heads all of the time, but we learn to ignore them. "You don't need to believe every stupid thing your brain tells you," he says. But Trump lets it all flow out of his mouth. The man has no filter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Dec 24 - 11:32 PM

It seems Trump has gone off on a riff about taking back the Panama Canal. It seems he has some history there (from 2019):

Trump Companies Accused of Tax Evasion in Panama
In the latest chapter in ongoing litigation, the private equity fund that bought what used to be called the Trump Ocean Club claims the Trump entities pocketed money that should have gone to the Panamanian government.

Jimmy Carter settled a lot of that years ago, as I recall. Trump can't do anything now but blow hot air.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Dec 24 - 04:38 AM

The Panama canal was officially handed over to Panama 25 years ago this new year's eve. I never knew that! Maybe Trump is involved in the palindromic "A man, a plan, a canal, Panama"!


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 24 - 07:18 AM

'Twas the night before Christmas and all ‘cross the state

The temperature had fallen to a muggy 78.

***

And at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago, well after dusk

Not a creature was stirring, not even a Musk.

***

All a-snug in their rooms, for a long nightly snooze

Unless Pete Hegseth came knocking with booze.

\

***

The entire Trump clan, the whole ganze mishpocha
Were more than content, even the Carlson named Tucker.

***

RFK Junior, dreamed of tasting a panda

Or looking for varmints to eat on the veranda.

***

Tulsi Gabbard was assumed to be deep in her slumber.

But was whispering in her room to a Moscow phone number.

***

In the next room, Guilfoyle was making plans for Greece

While Don Jr. was dreaming of his imminent release.

***

So much contentment from all those on the make

Except for old Donald, who was restlessly awake.


It bugged to him sit there alone and not sleepy

He needed a crowd to praise him quite deeply.


Or to sell Bibles, cologne, and some golden shoes

This solitude was giving him the YMCA blues.

***

Where’s Vivek to be a rapt audience for his “weave”?

And why won’t Fox News return calls on Christmas Eve?

***

And what about Melania? More morose than vibrant,

And harder to track than a border-crossing migrant.

***

Trump was so bored, he nearly searched under beds

For those top-secret docs well hid from the feds.

***

Then he heard a sound so strange and unique

That he went to the window to have himself a peek.

***

The moon in the sky gave a luster like snow

To the lawn in the back the foreign-born mow.

***

When what to his wondering eyes should appear,

It was a sleigh with eight reindeer and a driver alone.

For a moment he thought, “It’s a New Jersey drone!”

***

But it was Santa, Trump saw, and, oh, what a sight,

As the sleigh clipped the flagpole, nearly invisible at night.

***

More rapid than eagles, his coursers they came.

And he whistled, and shouted and called them by name.

***

“Now Dasher, now Prancer, now Comet and Vixen.

Here lives the guy who's far worse than Nixon.”

***

The sleigh landed swiftly, on the roof with a skid.

And Trump gave a warning, yes, that’s what he did.

***

“Santa, that bag of yours is bursting with foreign-made stuff.


It’s time you were tariffed, America has had enough.”

***

“You take us for fools, as if we don’t care.

It’s time you North Polers paid your fair share.”

***

“You’re globalist scum, not an America-first chooser.

Now, get off my roof, you #NeverTrump loser.”

***

Santa gave a laugh while ignoring Trump’s screed,

“I got you this book, something you should read.”

***

“Don’t worry. It’s short, and has lots of pictures.

It’s all about tariffs and foreign trade strictures.”

***

“Instead of carrying on like an uniformed jerk

You might as well learn how tariffs really work.”

***

“And once you learn tariffs, I’ve got another for good measure:

A lesson book about NATO, an alliance you should treasure.”

***

“I know it all,” Trump said. “Just ask my staff.

I aced a cognitive test, picked out the giraffe.”

***

“And now I’m the king, the most loved in the nation.

Especially once I get rolling on mass deportation.”

***

Santa interrupted, “I have no time for boot-licking.

I’ve got work to do and the clock is a-ticking.”

***

Trump was offended by Santa’s verbal epistle

And he warned the old elf to expect a Trump missile.

***.

“You’re a woke socialist, Santa. And one day you’ll learn.

Bad things will happen to you my next term.”

***

I’m emptying the prisons of my violent Jan 6 crew

And they’ll trash your workshop like a Capitol coup."

***

"And then I’ll call my FBI minion, the patriot Patel.

Who will specialize in making your life a living hell."

***

"Then, I’ll sue you and drain you of all your life savings

While I Stephanopoulos you with a barrage of court ravings."

***

Santa sighed, “Oh, well,” he said. “I’ve fulfilled my role.

If I thought you wouldn’t like it, I’d a-given you coal.”

***

Claus perched on his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,

And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.

***

But he sure did exclaim as he rode out of sight.

“Thank God for term limits, and to all a good night.”

Frank Cerabino is a news columnist with The Palm Beach Post, part of the USA Today Network-Florida.

This article originally appeared on Palm Beach Post: A poetic Christmas ode to Trump, tariffs and Santa | Opinion


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Dec 24 - 09:05 AM

That was both hysterically funny and terrifying. Thanks for sharing it, Don.


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Subject: RE: BS: Let's talk about the US election
From: Neil D
Date: 24 Dec 24 - 07:45 PM

"There are bad omens here for 2025 and the ability of Republicans to govern," the editors declared, "The immediate result has been a fiasco by any measure. Mr. Musk, and then Mr. Trump, delivered a social-media barrage against Mr. Johnson’s continuing resolution to fund the government through March 14."

Would you have guessed that this editorial is from conservative bastion, The Wall Street Journal. Even the WSJ thinks Republicans are not capable of running this country.


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