BS: I am not perfect after all

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 04:55 PM

Never heard of Jodi Arias and a brief squint at Wikipedia shows only passing reference to anal sex. Your point, FFS?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 05:25 PM

Ian...as Richard has mentioned, you are becoming almost incoherent.

Further discussion on this thread is a waste of time, just shouting equality over and over is not a balanced argument.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 07 Jul 13 - 06:10 PM

Akenaton: "Ian...as Richard has mentioned, you are becoming almost incoherent."

Hey...wait a minute....."RE: BS: I am not perfect after all"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Clapton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:15 AM

As opposed to Akenaton whose views are unequivocal.








Sadly

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 10:56 AM

My views are not unequivocal Ian, but I do make a serious attempt to explain my views and to broaden out the discussion.

You on the other hand are merely a "sloganiser", for the probable reason that your views do not stand up to serious scrutiny.

you have never made any attempt to explain homosexual STD statistics or the low uptake rates for homosexual marriage or same gender civil union. wich is currently 0.05% I believe?

Anyway the current popular views on sexual mores and the attacks on those who oppose them, is accurately described by Mr Peter Hitchins as "liberal" bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 11:12 AM

Peter Hitchins            On "gay marriage"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 12:22 PM

Just watched the video...dead on, except for only one thing...Hitchens was speaking from a political point of view, and his points were right on...but didn't address the question of the validity of the merits of the claims of being homosexual, were not confronted....which is still sorta OK, but those merits are absolute folly...but then... " I am not perfect after all"!

BTW, neither did the recent Supreme Court decision.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:06 PM

Hi Sanity...I see your point, but i think Hitchins was addressing the wider point of the "liberal" attitude to anyone who disagrees with their dogma.....as expounded here by Ian.

It is indeed a type of bigotry....an unreasoning adherance to a view which the facts have proved questionable.
Ians use of personal abuse and name calling in every post is a typical example of such bigotry, but i dont expect him or his chums to recognise it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:31 PM

Sometimes our own reality is too close for us to see it clearly.

Hi Ake!..I agree with your(and Hitchens') take on 'liberal bigotry'. Prejudiced hatred, because of political ideology, anyway you slice it, is in fact bigotry...especially when civil discourse ceases. It is an old adage, "The person who first starts calling names, does so, because he has lost the debate!"
..and BTW, some of the posters who would like to think of themselves as 'liberally hip', are just so far off on a tangent, that center, seems extreme to them. the same can also be said of Conservatives, who just chant their mantras. This whole 'left vs right' has gone into the absurd, because should one find themselves so blocked to another idea, or even, God forbid, LEARNING something outside of their little box, real progress ceases!...so I'll leave you with this little tune, which I've posted before, that says a WHOLE LOT!!!

...and note the final verse!!!

Warmest regards, Akenaton!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:47 PM

...hey here's another one of his......really cool!

By the way, Biff was a sketch writer for George Carlin!
I knew him years ago, when he lived in Venice, California....

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 02:54 PM

You'll notice the date on this one is 1967!!!
Some truths just don't go away!!!
...but then, 'I am not perfect after all'

...and Ake, (and others),you'll love this one!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 03:36 PM

When one claims Hitchens as a guru one has condemned oneself. Unequivocally.

And while we are at it, Wannabee Pharaoh has made little secret of what he hates (Pikeys, faggots, that sort of thing) I have never seen him make clear what he does support.

Keith on the other hand makes it clear that he hates Muslims and wogs, and fairly clear that he would impose martial law or something similar.

FFS, meanwhile, incants gibberish to such an extent that it is almost completely unclear what he does like and what he dislikes - other than uppity niggers with foreign middle names in the white house, which he thinks is wrong.   

It all makes me very satisfied to be vaguely left-ish.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket beyond belief
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:33 PM

Hitchens?

That bugger says we should still have an Empire.

His brother disowned him you know.

I don't need to carry on with insults. The source of your views says it all.

Again, back in your pit,and take your copy of The Daily M*il with you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:40 PM

Hey, I'm WAY to the Left, politically speaking....I don't know much about Hitchen's general views...but I do agree with what he said in that short video clip. I think he's right on the mark when it comes to that specific subject, in terms of how cynical politicians on both the Right and the Left are using it to push people's buttons, to draw attention to themselves, to make a mountain out of a molehill, and to posture as if they were freedom-loving idealists when they are usually nothing of the kind.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket making a point
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:54 PM

Hitches is correct when he says polarised politics push buttons, as I am sure I would agree with him if he said Pinot noir is best served at a slightly lower temperature to chianti.

But he is The UK's version of an American Tea Party dude. He is the right wing section of the most right wing newspaper. Bridge reckons I can be to the right of most here, but Hitchens would make me look as if I wore sandals and drank beer with bits of bark in it.

His condemnation is of what he is paid for saying in his columns! The only difference between a politician and a journalist is how we pay them.

I heard his brother used to pray for him.............

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 04:59 PM

WELL SAID, Little Hawk!!!!!!
BRAVO!!!
You nailed it!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket smiling
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 05:07 PM

Now look what you have done, little hawk. Me? I'd think long and hard about the situation if Goofus was so enthusiastic about something I wrote....

And neither of us are politicians...........

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 05:31 PM

Thank you very much Sanity....lovely gentle satire...I really enjoyed the singer and the songs.

Dont listen to the childishness on here, your posts are always interesting and original, you may not be flavour of the month to some on this forum, but we need more like you to stimulate discussion and your heart is definitely in the right place.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 05:37 PM

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating, Little Hawk is a great example of a REAL unindoctrinated liberal.

Gawd bless'im!

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 06:34 PM

Damn, Mither, this love affair between us is going to end in tears!

Can it be possible that people do not know what Hitchens is? Ho hum.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 07:22 PM

Again a typical response from Ian's chum (they are not really enemies you know :0))....the "liberal" agenda takes precedence over the phoney left /right game every time.


Shouldn't you be listening and commenting on what Mr Hitchins actually says, rather than what he is?

I would guess that he is a member of the human race who does not subscribe to your faith based agenda. :0)

Would you like a sandwich board just like Ian, Richard?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jul 13 - 11:00 PM

Ian, I can not know much about Hitchens if you don't know much about Don Cherry (the Canadian hockey commentator). If so, we're even. ;-)

Don Cherry acts like he's somewhere to the Right of Genghis Khan...but he's a true showman, and he's made quite a career out of being outrageous in his own very unique and amusing fashion. I also know people who know him personally, and they all speak well of him.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 01:43 AM

A false parallel. Cherry is involved in an insular sport in one country. Peter Hitchens is not limited to one jurisdiction and could almost be thought of as a political commentator or general polemicist. But has persistently (for about 20 years) written from a very right wing and at times fascistic point of view. There is however an interesting comparison to the early days of the British fascist movement in that Hitchens began his political interests as a revolutionary Marxist while Oswald Mosley went conservative/labour/fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Karl Marx
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 02:10 AM

Hitchens runs true to form in his articles and whilst I don't read every one, I tend to dip in from time to time just to see if the person doing political forum shows occasionally such as BBC Question Time really can be so. .. err Yes he can.

An interesting parallel to your hockey guy would be Jeremy Clarkson who, when not ranting about cars rants from a reactionary stance on any issue. He doesn't take himself seriously and enjoys the money his controversy brings him. Hitchens however makes the mistake of being honest. .....

On other matters, nice to see Akenaton and Goofus bonding. Great minds often think alike.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 02:29 AM

Wow, Akenaton, that was really cool..glad you liked it. When I first came into Mudcat, I was under the impression that there were writers and composers in here, too...and, well, I said in my earliest posts, and some along the way, that as writers, composers and musicians we should be free, to have some original thoughts...and I've said, that I WANTED to get people to think..and think above politics, which was designed to get people stuck inside the hamster wheel. Politics don't solve ANYTHING...they only 'promise' to fix the last mess that they got us into!! There is NO political solution...never was. Mankind's behavior comes from, and is dictated from the heart, and a clear mind...and of course 'intelligence is the ability to process information'..not make value judgements about somebody else's ideas about how to compel people to accept something that would normally be contrary to their own wills!!
I've tried to load up my posts with stuff for writers to take advantage of, or to stimulate creative thought...and have posted that very intention on here...OH, speaking of which.....

Muskrat posted: "On other matters, nice to see Akenaton and Goofus bonding. Great minds often think alike."

Speaking of 'bonding' Musket and I have a bond of sorts, ourselves, but not many know about it...so I won't reveal it.....but I can't find my shoes, ever since he came home early the other day.....OH, and by the way, your wife wanted to tell you that you're out of Scotch!

GfS

P.S. Check under the bed, they're grey sneakers....

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 05:36 AM

Isn't it funny how the some of the "liberals" on this forum are the first to "stereotype".

"But he(Mr Hitchins), is The UK's version of an American Tea Party dude."

This is the sort of attitude which is always struck by "liberals".
They have to stick everyone into boxs to make them easier to demonise.

I have been a socialist politically all my life, yet many of my personal views have been rather conservative on social issues.
I believe there are millions like me who refuse to be dominated by the phoney war being conducted by the politicians.

The biggest impediment to a better society are those who have become polarised by political propaganda.....always searching for "one small victory".....as in Stan Rogers great song.....a victory that will mean that they lose something much more important.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 06:29 AM

Err.. socialist. Noun. Believer in egalitarian society and equality.

Pray carry on.

Err. Stereotype. Noun. Judging gays as a group with common failings.

Ok. Back to you again.




Hey Goofus. She reckoned you couldn't get it up. I said no matter. His idea of free thinking and no taboos falls short of what people really want. I assume the ladies have lower expectations back in Sanity. The good professor said you whimpered when he made you his bitch. Strange as he can't get it up either on account of being a jaffa.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:59 AM

Don't get all analytical and serious on me, Richard. I was engaging in nothing more than humorous banter when I mentioned Don Cherry.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 08:06 AM

I don't really care anymore if people are on the Right or on the Left. What I care about is whether they can see through the facade of knee-jerk propaganda and primitive political manipulation that is being used by both sides to control people...and Gfs can. That's why I often agree with him. Same goes for Akenaton, who is definitely a Leftist, and one who has not abandoned the original ideals of the Left as it once was.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket being serious
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 08:58 AM

The left as it was? I don't think it was bitter, homophobic and went around with a chip on its shoulder. The left over here included Bevan who gave healthcare for all, Wilson who gave us the open university and comprehensive state education, Hardy who fought for a fair society, Benn who exposed hypocrisy in politics and showed us what representation meant, Hattersley and Kinnock who tried to destroy polarised politics and it gave us me.

A dirty rotten stinking capitalist really, but hey, no system is perfect.

A perfect system would distinguish between views and prejudice. The former makes the world go round and the latter keeps finding the off switch.

Fuck 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:04 AM

Thank you brother.
I view Sanity in the same light, an intelligent free-thinking person brim full of energy and original ideas.
Still not touched by the dead hand of cynicism or political ideology.

People such as he should be treasured, not scorned by brainwashed dogmatists.

Cameron does hate his party, because their views on society may not get him elected, by a dumbed down, media addled, populace.

Reason and truth no longer matter...."say what makes profit and makes you popular"...fools hate folks like Hitchins or Kucinich or Paul, because they hold up a great mirror before them, in which they see what they have become.
This forum at it's best can also serve that purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:12 AM

Well, you and Akenaton both seem to see one another as bitter and with a chip on the shoulder. I wonder if that has any basis in fact or if it's just the result of the very limited emotional communication that keyboards provide.

The most bitter person I've seen on this forum is Greg F, who seems to come here only to get angry at people and vent his unending spleen on them...but again, that probably isn't the whole story on Greg.

Yes, "A perfect system would distinguish between views and prejudice", but we don't have a perfect system...nor is any one of us competely without prejudice.

The Left in Canada has given us good things like universal health care, unions, universal suffrage, and all kind of other good stuff, same as in the UK, but at the mainstream political level the Left has been gutted, because the parties and elected politicians are all actually serving big monied interests now, which is to say: major corporations and major banks. It doesn't matter which party gets voted into office, that's what happens regardless...mind you, some parties are still a bit worse than others.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket shaking his head
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:22 AM

Your mirror would blush.

Free thinking sounds wonderful, utopian even. But the carnage of those hurt by irresponsible statements represents the difference between free speech and the responsibility of free speech.

How the flying fuck you reconcile free thinking and energy with your usual "we are all going to hell in a handcart" is beyond me. You usually scorn liberal thinking and blame it for giving respectability to a section of society.

Just remember, there is a huge difference between being polite and being comfortable with hate expressed. You should thank me for giving you straight. You know where you stand anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 11:14 AM

Ah....at least we are starting to begin a discussion.....I dont real hate anyone or anything except "capitalism" it makes us all mean to one another, it says there is virtue in inequality, it says that humanity needs be motivated by greed or power, or the quest for riches, to survive. Nothing could be further from the truth, we all have our talents from the weakest to the strongest both in physique and intellect.
In my youth I lived in such a place...whole families, even communities working together in co-operation.
Life was hard and we had to take responsibility for everything we did, but we slept like babies and knew never a day was wasted.
Everyone from young children to the old ones contributed and felt fulfilled in doing so.

Prosperity gave us fridges and washing machines,but stole our souls.


I dont have Sanity's energy Ian....tho' I once did....I feel the battle has been lost, but I admire him for his enthusiasm.

You talk of hatred.....I dont hate homosexuals, I dont even hate you, but your posts drip with it towards what you see as easy targets, people who's views are likely to be rejected by the general public or the majority of the Mudcat membership.
I think perhaps you need validation and attention, like a pup who rolls over to have his belly tickled

Just you remember, that "the people" have become as much a manufactured commodity as anything on the supermarket shelves, their validation as empty as the papers they read, the television they watch, or the lives they lead.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket being serious
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 12:00 PM

My posts do drip on the basis you need to drip strong acid onto strong alkaline to neutralise the effects. You consistently seek to deny people a fair lick at the lollipop on the basis sugar is bad for them. I genuinely cannot reconcile your dismissal of gay monogamy on the basis of a problem with promiscuity.

Until we overcome that hurdle I cannot take you seriously and despite your observation that I am setting a standard I have no right to set, I cannot and will not give quarter to what is by any definition bigotry. You may not like the term but it succinctly describes your stance on a section of equal stakeholders in society.

Your pessimistic views on how society works, using fridges and washing machines as examples of baubles to keep people quiet also has to include the medical equipment that keeps us more comfortable longer, entertainment technology and access to broaden our horizons. If it is bread and circuses, so be it. Happiness is relative. I am overall optimistic though, and on that, regardless of whether respect is there or not, we differ.

But in the same way as I avoid the local tap room and walk over a mile further to a nicer pub due to the casual racism and general not nice people in there, it stands to reason I have difficulty debating where logic, reason and equal stake in society are missing from your side. It doesn't leave much else to debate.

If you think I only go on this site to preach and rant, you would be wrong. It saddens me that articulate people with a love of music can use their ability to be so bitter, to oppose the idea of everybody having the same opportunity to be happy in the way they choose, and no valid reason given. You don't even have the advantage of religious hypocrisy to fortify your sanctimony...

Sorry but where I see bigotry I will attack. If people just walk on the other side of the road, bigotry can never be defeated. Out of interest, I don't think, reading your posts that you see it like that. But your mental leap isn't logical, leaving us with little alternative to judge you by.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 12:38 PM

Akenaton: "I dont have Sanity's energy Ian...."

You think???...Then what the fuck is this?:

Akenaton: "Prosperity gave us fridges and washing machines,but stole our souls.

You talk of hatred.....I dont hate homosexuals, I dont even hate you, but your posts drip with it towards what you see as easy targets, people who's views are likely to be rejected by the general public or the majority of the Mudcat membership.
I think perhaps you need validation and attention, like a pup who rolls over to have his belly tickled

Just you remember, that "the people" have become as much a manufactured commodity as anything on the supermarket shelves, their validation as empty as the papers they read, the television they watch, or the lives they lead."

Brilliantly said! You STILL KICK ASS!

Little Hawk, as well...you take a very stable 'moderate' position..and it sounds 'extreme' to some....but those are just because their minds have been so blown out, trying to justify politician's lies and pandering. The political dialogue, which is controlled by how the corporate owned and controlled media, portrays it to be, DIVIDED...and then they speak to the numbskulls who actually BELIEVE in their programmed divisions...whip them all up into a frenzy, and then 'report' on the clashes!..as IF that's the ONLY thing going down, with NO alternatives!!...Once the masses are 'ready', then the corporate owned 'politicians' (read: used car salesmen) propose some pre-planned solution...that would have been easily dismissed originally, had it been brought up before!!!...leveraging themselves, and their sponsors, into positions of complete tyrannical control.

Sorry...Sanity is not for sale.....but I'll consider all offers!

Musket, sans reasoning: "Hey Goofus. She reckoned you couldn't get it up."

Well, considering you don't know up from down, I'm sure you're a mixed bag of tricks to deal with...after all, she said, you liked having sex, being on the bottom, face down!

Here, I'll leave you a tune....

Great lyrics!!
...couple it with, this one!

Enjoy!....Maybe even think!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket between courses
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 02:01 PM

Sting reckons he can get it up.   

The last time I saw Dylan he had resorted to talking the lyrics a la Capt Kirk. The musical equivalent of having to have a wank in the corner.

Mind you, Tempest is up there. ...




Sorry, your point? Akenaton thinks I am a male version of Harriet Harman and you think errr. . Buggered if I know.   The good professor is confused too, but being a greyhound that isn't difficult.

Clever songs describe ideals nobody can achieve and vices that don't describe a whole person.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 02:10 PM

Musket sans wanker: "Clever songs describe ideals nobody can achieve and "Clever songs describe ideals nobody can achieve


"Clever songs describe ideals nobody can achieve...."

'Achieving' what??

"...and vices that don't describe a whole person."

Then how did you arrive at that?..that's quite an 'achievement'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 02:44 PM

Musket sans wanker:

How can one be without what one is?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 04:13 PM

"The last time I saw Dylan he had resorted to talking the lyrics a la Capt Kirk."

Yeah, his singing voice is shot...and has been for about 10 years now, although some nights it's a bit better than others. Still, his phrasing is interesting, his lyrics are interesting, his band is terrific, and the material on his recent album is great.

I don't equate that to wanking in the corner. Also, you don't get paid anything for wanking in the corner unless you're a good looking woman in the porn industry.

Here's a thought, guys. People who make endless posts on Mudcat dedicated to the purpose of simply proving that another poster is "a bad person" (that is: bigot/racist/sexist/etc) are engaged in a pointless exercise, one far more trivial than wanking in the corner....and yet there are a number of individuals here who spend their days doing just that...trying to prove that another poster is a BAAAD person! ;-D

It can't possibly have any useful effect on anyone, neither on the one doing it nor the one receiving the verbal attacks. It's just pissing in the wind. It may give you a very brief adrenalin high and a heady sense of righteousness whenever you do it, but the rest of the world is either ignoring you...or perhaps a few of them are joining you in your emotional addiction if they also enjoy pissing in the wind...or else they're laughing at you.

It definitely won't change the other person. It won't destroy the other person, make them beg for forgiveness and redemption or drive them away...because they're just as righteous as YOU are! ;-) They think they're the "good" people, see? It's a complete waste of your time. It puts people in a lousy mood...(kind of the opposite effect of real wanking).

(Note: I could well be accused of completely wasting MY time by bothering to tell you all of the above...and that's a GOOD point! ;-D Still, I enjoyed doing it, I'm not angry at anyone, and it gave me another chance to simply express myself, which is all any of us are really doing here anyway. We come here to express ourselves, just like a dog does when he barks at the world in general. I prefer friendly dogs to vicious ones.)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket sans Zimmerman
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 04:19 PM

Luckily for us, he's a woman in a porn flick

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,musket answering little hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 04:23 PM

Yeah but to get to the cause of why people post to bad mouth others, you have to find out who started it. It is generally a big boy who ran away, teacher.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 04:28 PM

Perhaps they do it, because they don't like what the previous poster said, but they bark like a nasty little mutt because they really have nothing to say....and they'd rather express themselves that way...than continuing in licking their balls more....besides, it's the one thing they can do, while typing!
Certainly, thinking isn't one of them!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 04:34 PM

Yes because an appropriate response to an article from a famous atheist criticizing Dawkins and Hitchens is 1220 posts of venom and insults about a hundred of which are from you directed at me.

As always, Musket, sane and logically consistent. LOL LOL

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 05:17 PM

Sane??...Musket??...Are you knocking my homeland??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 07:38 PM

Dylan? Sing? Shome mishtake shurely.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jul 13 - 09:02 PM

No mistake about Dylan singing. In his prime he was one of the most powerfully effective singers ever. Listen to him sing "Blind Willie McTell" in the mid-80s, and see how great a blues singer he was in his prime. Listen to him sing in '65 and '66...there's been nothing like it since for caustic intensity and stunning clarity as well. The fact that he can't sing now is a matter of aging. Joni Mitchell didn't sing for the last 10 years either, and she can't hit the high notes anymore either...nor can Ian Tyson. Tyson had a wonderful voice for most of his life, but it's in shreds now.

****

Back to the stuff about people posting just to prove someone else is a baaaad person. It's a disease in this place (and on the Net in general). When I post complaining about people here, I complain about their online behaviour toward the others herein their posts, not about their innate character or their innate worth. I don't attempt to prove that they are bad people, homophobic, sexist, racist people or anything else like that, because I'm not out to destroy them or make some sweeping judgement of their character. I simply point out that they are unpleasantly attacking other people all the time, labelling other people, and that that is no way to have any kind of useful conversation with anyone.

If you tell someone he's a racist or a homophobe or a fascist or whatever popular buzzword you choose to demonize him with...the conversation is basically already OVER. He will either get angry and reply in kind, telling you what a jerk he thinks you are....or he'll try and prove he isn't what you said he is...which is a fool's errand, because no amount of talk along that line will convince someone who has already labelled someone else. They have a big emotional investment in what they said! And they have their pride. They will not change their mind about it...because they would take that to be "a defeat".

It's like being accused by the Inquisition. Once they've named you "a witch", "a homophobe" or "a racist" you'll never convince them otherwise. Your choices then are to fight or flee....or if you're in no real danger (which you aren't here)...just ignore them or make fun of them. Most people choose to fight, however, because of their damned pride. And those fights go on forever, and no one learns a thing from it.

It doesn't matter who started it! And no one can agree on who started it. Talk to the Israelis and Palestinians or talk to the Irish about that and see if you can get to the bottom of who started it. To hell with worrying about who started it. The only way to stop it is to be the one who decides one day "Okay...I'm just not going to do this any longer."

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:16 AM

There was no post about a famous atheist. There was yet another thread started by you to ridicule anyone who doesn't share your hobby.

It's a bit like Orange Lodge antagonists in Northern Ireland saying all they are doing is exercising their right to walk on the Queen's pavement when marching through "the other side's" area of town.   All they were doing was. ...

And all you were doing was. ... Randomly finding an article on a random subject?   Repeatedly?

Im sure many people have an agenda, but you love printing it out and handing it round the room.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 01:27 AM

Musket....RUOK??
..and in asking, I'm not fucking with you.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I am not perfect after all
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Jul 13 - 03:10 AM

Did you have a "gentleman's bet" that I would take the trouble to document how stupid you are? Again? The famous atheist is Frans Der Waal.



Subject: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
From: Jack the Sailor - PM
Date: 24 Mar 13 - 10:26 PM

Very interesting article. Why are some atheists so militant.

Prominent non-believers have become as dogmatic as those they deride

"I like this analysis better than the usual approach to secularization, which just counts how many people believe and how many don't. It may one day help to test my thesis that activist atheism reflects trauma. The stricter one's religious background, the greater the need to go against it and to replace old securities with new ones."

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/25/militant_atheism_has_become_a_religion/