BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music

Subject: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 08:09 PM

There's been a positive plague of this, and I suspect it has been a key contributory factor to the loss of the British Empire.

Discuss and enjoy...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: harvey andrews
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 08:33 PM

Abnegation...denial,renunciation.
Lost us the Empire eh?
Then let's hope America catches the abnegation virus real soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 08:49 PM

LH -- what are you talking about?

What self abnegation?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: artbrooks
Date: 28 Apr 03 - 11:22 PM

Last night, I stayed awake and abnegated.
It felt so good,
I knew it would.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:09 AM

Oh, I was just jumpin' on the old bandwagon, Amos. My warped sense of humour...

I figured after racism and homophobia in British folk music, it was time to take on a subject we could really get our teeth into.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:39 AM

If you were after something we could really sink our teeth into, then what about "Rare Prime Rib and British Folk Music."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:49 AM

Or all those bent elbows and British Folk Music...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: leprechaun
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:09 AM

You skipped Misogyny and British Folk Music.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:37 AM

Flogging and British Folk Music...

The Royals and BFM

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: leprechaun
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:57 AM

C'mon Spaw,


Flatulence and British Folk Music.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 02:24 AM

Let me make it perfectly clear that Mudcat will not tolerate self-abnegation, especially when it comes from Little Hawk.

We don't like most of those isms and obias, either.

Does that cover it?
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: catspaw49
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 02:34 AM

"The Plague of Joe Offerism on British Folk Music"

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Lanfranc
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 03:58 AM

IMHO there is not much abnegation, self- or otherwise in British Folk Music. There is, however, an excess of meiosis (or litotes) evident in the support for and presentation of English Folk Music, which is frequently misunderstood by those races such as the Celts and some inhabitants of our former Colonies whose sense of irony is inadequately developed.

An illustration of this is the case of the English folksong "Wild Rover". Once this song, originally collected from one Sam Larner in the vicinity of Norwich, had been recorded by denizens of the Celtic fringe (the "Dubliners"), it was henceforth assumed to be of Irish origin. The fact that most of those associated with English folksong were only too pleased to see the back of that particular ditty and modestly denied its origins allowed the Irish to perpetuate the canard, leading them to apply the same acquisitive logic to other respectable traditional English songs and even to contemporary works by Australians of Scottish origin and Mancunian thespians.

There are those of us who would prefer that British Folk Music became better known for its synecdoche, for making the part stand for the whole has been a laudable British trait for some years.

To come in future editions: "Tmesis and British Folk Music" - "absobloodylutely fascinating" (J Offer) and "Onomatopoeia in British Folk Music" - "A crashing bore" (TROLL)

"Don't criticise what you don't understand" R Zimmerman

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 06:30 AM

Given that racism and homophobia are prevalent in all human societies(that I know of), it would be surprising if you didnt find the occasional folkie in any country who dint suffer from one or both. Self-abnegation is a different thing, that's just plain disgusting. I tried it once in early adolescence but my mother caught me, and I'm glad to say the thought has never come to me since.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 09:23 AM

What's British folk music when it's at home?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 09:38 AM

Gee, Alan, that's powuhrful stuff, terrible impressive, and riddled with I-wot-not!

Love to see the translation!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: stevetheORC
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 09:55 AM

Um Well lets see, lost the empire noooo dont think so that was France we gave ours away, starting with our American colonies :-)
Bet you all wish we had hung on to you Hee Hee

De Orc

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 10:45 AM

Actually, there are so many volunteers out there willing to abnegate you for so little, it seems ridiculous to have to do it yourself...

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:09 PM

This is good. I think we are well on the way to stamping out self-abnegation completely, and restoring British folk music to its orginal purity.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:15 PM

...which consists of Brits running around in oubs abnegating each other voraciously?

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 12:16 PM

"oubs" s/b "pubs". Sorry.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: artbrooks
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:07 PM

I really think that these self-abnegators must be required to deal with the consequences of their actions. If not, the results may be dire beyond expression. Indeed, the impressionable youth of Britain may begin to sing songs in unintelligable accents about cow byres, corn ricks and yows (pardon, ewes) and to dance about whilst wearing bells and whacking each other with sticks. Heaven Forfend!!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:07 PM

I think it still goes on in oubs as well, but I haven't been in one recently. I stick to pubs, which are easier to find as a rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 01:39 PM

It all comes down to deciding whether "See you later, Abnegator" is a folk song or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 02:02 PM

I've always heard that it leads to loss of vision...

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 02:09 PM

You got that right, Kat. What many people do not realize is that the loss of vision is a risk even in mutually consensual abnegation with a partner. It isn't just self-abnegation. Young people must be taught the dangers inherent in all types of abnegation. And not in some superficial junior-high "Abneg Ed" course either. They should be taught these things at home by caring parents.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 03:32 PM

"See ya later, Abnegator!"

"After awhile, Pedophile!"

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Morticia
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:06 PM

You lot can be very,very silly sometimes....I like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Gareth
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:28 PM

Oi ! You leave our Ewes alone !

Thats a Celtic trait.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:39 PM

Oh! What was that, then? Sheep-shagging and BFM??!! How did I miss that one!? Too blatant?**bg**

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 04:59 PM

Abnegate if you will, just make sure you clean it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 05:13 PM

In Carlisle
Anglophile

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Lanfranc
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 06:44 PM

The art of self-abnegation
Was practiced for years in our nation
Then along came Howells
With his Celtic vowels
And banned it by proclamation

By the edicts of Philistines
You were outlawed
And we wept when we remembered thee
O tradition

Yesterday we sang
Tomorrow we may not
PELs could do that

They told me, English folkie
They told me you were fined
For singing in a public house
Tho' the landlord didn't mind
I wept when I remembered
How often you and I
Had raised our voice in chorus
But the music had to die
Pickled in Karaoke, banned by stupid law
Driven underground by Government
Not lost, just gone before

They say that Blair
Is a very fair.
I suppose it could be true
But it doesn't feel like that to me
Does it feel like that to you?

When you meet with Fred Creep
And you think he's asleep
It's no good you calling
He's just practicing Trolling

Alan

(suffering from late-night thread creep and a bad dose of doggerel)

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: greg stephens
Date: 29 Apr 03 - 07:30 PM

Now we have learnt to repect other people's sexual orientation, I am glad to say that I have not heard "I am a rustic sheep-shagger" sung in a folk club since about 1967. Anybody heard it more recently?

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 12:55 AM

No, but they do a nice rendition of "I'll be calling ewe, oo-oo-oooo" out on the range of ol' Wyomin'!

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 06:19 AM

Yo Bro, how's it hangin' man?
Yo!!
What ya doin'?
Just watchin' TV, Abnegation.

WASABI

Them damned chameleons!!

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: HuwG
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 09:42 AM

Give myself up ? No, I can't break myself of that habit !



Copyright on that old joke is held by The Goon Show, 1955. ("Dishonoured")

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Apr 03 - 01:57 PM

Abnegation! Abnegation!
They's doin' it all across the nation!
They's doin' it in line at the railroad station!
Why, they's even doin' it on vacation!

Now, the onliest thing about abnegation,
Gotta do it yerself, not with a relation.
It's the strangest damn thing in all creation.
When ya' abnegate yer gonna find elation.

Well, they're abnegatin' in the Appalachians,
And way out West in the Indian Nations,
And out in the garden where they grow impatiens!
Ya can't get away from them abnegations!

So let's all stop the procrastination,
And get on the ball with the abnegation.
Just spread the word, "Take no imitation!
Abnegation! Abnegation!"

Bruce

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Lanfranc
Date: 01 May 03 - 07:19 AM

Shadration, Meschachion and Abnegation?

Into the fiery furnace with them all!

Alan

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 May 03 - 06:38 AM

Abnegation once again
Abnegation once again
I may go blind, but I don't mind.
Abnegation once again.

Then in came the judge, with a Seeing-eye Dog, and I knew he wasn't going to look at those 27 8x10 glossy photographs, with the circles and arrows. A Guthrie

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: Pied Piper
Date: 02 May 03 - 07:13 AM

You can get what ever you want.
PP

Subject: RE: BS: Self-abnegation in British folk music
From: leprechaun
Date: 02 May 03 - 05:30 PM

I figured I'd only do it till I needed glasses.