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Subject: clique-cult-gang From: GUEST,senor tamborino hombre Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:09 AM is mudcat a clique? is mudcat a cult? is mudcat a gang? no, of course not. newcomers are welcome at mudcat so it cannot be a clique, cult or gang. but, cliques, cults and gangs must integrate newcomers in order to sustain themselves. otherwise, they die of attrition. does mudcat support free speech? yes, as long as one does not question the motives of the leaders or the opinions or talents of the sacred cows. is mudcat a nice place? absolutely. it is wonderful as long as you do not question the party line. and to anyone offended by this message, please excuse me. i'm having a bad reaction to all the sugar on my frosted flakes and i'm out of crest toothpaste and when i try to listen to mudcat radio windows accuses me of an illegal operation and shuts me down. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:24 AM I think that's a little harsh. In any group of people there is usually a consensus on particular topics and of course if someone disagrees with them then they are going to argue about it. Thats life - not just mudcat. People are free to state their views and others are free to reply to them saying they think it's bollocks. I've had a fair few disagreements since I arrived here. But I've never been made to feel unwelcome because of them. Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:28 AM Oh so you're not interested in money anymore? Come on, I though you were going to stop all this nonsense? Forgiveness, remember??? |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:35 AM (i know I'm slow, but I always seem to miss what is going on.....) Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: mousethief Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:35 AM Questioning anybody's motives can be (and often is) perceived as presumptuous and arrogant. No big surprise there. People are people. Goring anybody's sacred cow is going to cause tempers to flare and people to react knee-jerkily (if you'll excuse the neologism). No big surprise there. People are still people. If you find a forum that's not made up of human beings, let us know. Could be really interesting to observe.
Alex
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Catrin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:41 AM Bagpuss - what (I think) Mbo is referring to is that this thread was started by someone who has a distinct style of flaming - usually about money, under different names. Yawn. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:46 AM Wow, great topic for a thread, 'guest.' and we've only had, what, three other 'mudcat clique' threads in the last few months. Why don't you go back and and read THOSE instead of crowding out more original threads? When you started this thread, you knocked 'Rick Kane plays tonight in Orillia' off the one-day list. All so you could drop your cookie and whine about something that's been said better by others in the past. Maybe that thread didn't interest YOU, but I'm sure the handsomely-mulleted folks up in Orillia were enjoying it. ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lady McMoo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:57 AM Whoa...Mudcat police are out in force today! I agree with Bagpuss except that I don't agree that it's acceptable to refer to someone else's point of view as "b*****ks. Disagreeing is perfectly OK, its the way you do it that matters. Rudeness has become something of a habit amongst some on this forum. I have a thick skin but I'm sure some others, including newcomers, have been put off. Yours respectfully mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:58 AM Wouldn't it be nice if we could let just ONE of these things come and go without bothering to discuss it? I guess its too much to even hope for............. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:01 AM mcmoo - thats bollocks!!! ;-) I didn't say it was *acceptable* - merely that we were free to say it if we so wished. And everyone else would be free to tell us that its rude to say bollocks to someone else..... Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: GUEST,senor tamborino hombre Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:02 AM lepus, lepus, lepus, it's because cliquesters like you are guaranteed to respond to the slightest provocation. i'll tell you what. the next time i start a thread, if not one of the mudcat cliquesters responds within twenty-four hours, then i'll never do it again. i'll see you later. i have to go buy toothpaste. the last time i ran out, i had 42% more cavities. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:11 AM And, what, 'guest,' provoking people gets you off? Gets you feeling like you've got some sort of power, unlike every second of every day in the rest of your sad life? You're just some sorry, impotent little coward. Enjoy your masturbatory thrills here, 'guest.' I'm off this thread. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lady McMoo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:12 AM Sorry Bagpuss ... I missed that subtle distinction And Spaw, not everyone reads every thread. So my apologies for not having read or contributed to previous "clique" threads and picking up on this one. But I stand by my remark that a little common courtesy does no harm at all, either in "virtual" or realspace. Respectfully mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Bagpuss Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:15 AM A little more courtesy and a little more sense of humour and the world would be a nicer place. Bagpuss |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lady McMoo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 11:24 AM Yes indeed Bagpuss! I have personally been flamed by "the police" for having introduced humour, or at least my version of it, into a couple of threads. mcmoo |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Kim C Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:16 PM what's a mullet? |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM A mullet is a fish! Here in Down East North Carolina, we have the annual Mullet Festival, and Shad Festival. Lots of music. 'Course I never went! |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: kendall Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:28 PM A shad is a semi-edible thing made up mostly of tiny bones. Why would anyone want to go to a "Shad festival?" |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mbo Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:35 PM Um, how about because it's FUN? Maineiacs can never attempt to understand Tarheels! We also have Hollering Festivals & Ugly Truck Festivals, so go figure! It's supporting our local fisherman, so what the dilly yo if they got lots of bones? So do smelt and I LOOOOOOOOOVE them! |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Metchosin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:47 PM KimC, According to one of my daughters, when I asked her that same question a few months back, she mumbled a few disparaging words about Heavy Metal and directed me to this site |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:48 PM Oh, I was off this thread, but I'm back for the mullets... Mullet, as I used it, is a haircut: short on top and sides, long in back. There's a cruel, funny site with lots of pictures of mullets, but I won't post it here, as the dope who runs it put up an un-funny section of 'porn mullets.' If anyone wants the URL, PM me. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Metchosin Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:50 PM Oh dear, I think I made the leap and made the link Lepus, I guess there should be a warning attached to my previous post. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:52 PM Oh, Metchosin posted it, hehe... ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: little john cameron Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:53 PM Ah hope ye dinnae mind bit ah scrolled doon tae the fit o this threed as ah've heard it aw afore.Spaw is richt.KILL IT!!!Aw yer daein is gaun roon an roon chasin yer tail.Ane o these days ye'll vanish up yer ain arsehole. Ah wis wonderin tae masel an thocht"Whit fur did ye look in this threed fur in the furst place" The answer ah got wis that ah'm NOSEY. It reminds me o an experiment ah did years ago when ah wis a laddie.How many times can ye kick yer dug afore it gets wise tae ye? ljc |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 12:54 PM Yeah, if you're at mulletsgalore.com, don't look at 'porn mullets,' even if you're 18, becauseit'sjust lame. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mooh Date: 22 Sep 00 - 02:43 PM Clique-ity clack, don't talk back. Who wrote that song anyway? Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: mousethief Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:03 PM I know a yakkety-yak, don't talk back. Don't know that other version. Are you misremembering or are there 2 different songs?
Alex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: sophocleese Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:05 PM I must take umbrage at remarks on this thread about innocent Orillians. I am not and have never been mullet-headed. This is a nasty slander perpetrated by a person of little imagination and tiny vocabulary addicted to the unsanitary consumption of hairy fish out of season. Ignore him.
Thank you, in peace |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mike Regenstreif Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:08 PM |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Biskit Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:17 PM They's a clique fer dis |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Biskit Date: 22 Sep 00 - 03:22 PM alrighty then we'll try this again. daze a clique fo' dis, an daze a clique fo' dat, libbin' wit de cliquies, jus' ain't where it's at. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Lepus Rex Date: 22 Sep 00 - 04:04 PM But... I said HANDSOMELY-mulleted. ;) ---Lepus Rex |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Sorcha Date: 22 Sep 00 - 04:45 PM In heraldry, a mullet is a star of 5 points, unless otherwise specified, such as a mullet of 7 points, etc. A field with stars sprinkled all over it is a field "mullety". |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: sophocleese Date: 22 Sep 00 - 04:52 PM Oh, "handsomely" you said? I take it all back then Lepus, You are an intelligent, well read man, with a large experience of exotic culinary tastes.
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: SINSULL Date: 22 Sep 00 - 04:53 PM To Mike Regenstrief: You've said it all. And I agree. Mary |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: GUEST,marty D Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:04 PM I'll certainly never be part of a clique, at least not for a while, but I've found some wonderfully generous people here. I haven't been made to feel stupid when I started a thread about length of time here, and five or six people have written volumes of advice in the last week on how to become a better guitarist. Sure there are some people who are using this site to work out their neuroses and their anger, but what's the point of getting angry at them? Some humans need conflict just to get through the day, and that's pretty sad. It seems like a darn nice group here and that's all that really counts. M |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Sep 00 - 06:50 PM An open conspiracy is how I see it. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Mooh Date: 22 Sep 00 - 08:51 PM Mouse. Oh yeah, what was I thinkin'? Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:27 PM It can't be a clique because I'm not cool enough to belong to a clique and it's not a gang because we're to far spread apart to control a turf and granted I had to shave my head when I joined and I do sell flowers at the airport and send the proceeds to the almighty Digital Tradition and I don't talk to any of my old aquaintences and I make sure to consult the Cafe before making any major decisions, doesn't make it a cult because it's all voluntary for the greater good of the Mudcat and if you only understood then you'd realize how wonderful it is to belong but please don't read anger in this because I love you as do we all love you here and all you have to do is ask and be one of us and I hope you do because if you continue to persecute us then when the END comes Max is gonna lift us all up and then where will you be? Slán, Rich |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: katlaughing Date: 22 Sep 00 - 10:31 PM BRILL, Rich!!! |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: RichM Date: 23 Sep 00 - 07:15 AM The only cliques i see here are mouse clicks. Or should that be "mouse cliques"? :) Rich McCarthy |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Micca Date: 23 Sep 00 - 10:48 AM If you need a test to see if this is a cult, try this Click here |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Alice Date: 23 Sep 00 - 12:22 PM Or go here, The Cultic Studies Journal, for academic approach.click here
Two points to remember in evaluating whether a group is a cult in the negative sense of the word - deception and control.
Now, if Max's great experiment was based on deception, if there were "things going on" behind the scenes at Mudcat that were deceptive, and if the motive was to gain some kind of control over people who come to this forum and join... then we could use the term cult in its dangerous sense.
Max's Mudcat project has become an interesting online community, but without the deception or control found in cults that recruit members in order to deceive them and further the power of the leader(s).
Check out The "Not Me" Myth: Orwell and the Mind click here, by Margaret Singer. Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph.D. is a clinical psychologist and emeritus adjunct professor of psychology at the University of California, Berkeley. An expert on post-traumatic stress, she is one of the world's foremost experts on cults and psychological manipulation. Is Mudcat a cult in the benign definition of the term? Yes, I'd say there are lots of reasons to say we have a cult of the Mudcat, just as there are other popular culture cult phenomena - like cult movies, Rocky Horror Picture Show, and others. There are many ways to view the term "cult", which is why there is so much debate over the term when applied to high demand, deceptive, thought control groups. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Rich(bodhránai gan ciall) Date: 23 Sep 00 - 12:27 PM Are we gonna have a big argument over the use of the word cult like we did over the word nazi? I sure hope not. |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Sep 00 - 12:47 PM ......Only if its a pro nazi cult of gypsies. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: Alice Date: 23 Sep 00 - 01:08 PM I hope not, too, Rich. I come to Mudcat to get away from that argument. Alice |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: SDShad Date: 23 Sep 00 - 05:30 PM Mbo, y'all have a whole festival just for me down there? Who knew? SD(Sometimes it's just short for "Shadowspawn")Shad |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: mousethief Date: 23 Sep 00 - 07:52 PM I have an interesting clique story. On the day I graduated from high school, a kid came up to me (we were all kids back then, remember?!) and said, "I just wanted to tell you I think you're cool and I wished I could have been in your clique." I was floored. What clique? The people I ate lunch with? Shoot, we didn't exclude anybody on purpose, nor did we ever have discussions about who we would or wouldn't let sit with us. People would come and sit with us, and if they liked our conversation they hung around and if they didn't they went and ate lunch somewhere else. As all this was running through my mind, he said, "well, bye." and took off. Shoot, good friends are rare enough; I wish he had just come and sat down near us; we could have become great friends! On the other side who needs admirers? It's too weird. I was a geek/nerd in high school, not shunned by the social elite (I was in all their classes, after all) but not sought out by them either. We rarely went to the same parties because I rarely went to parties. Um, why did I bring up this sordid story? Oh yes. Whenever people have been hanging out with one another for a time, a common group perspective will start to emerge, a bit of group-think, a private argot, and all that. From the outside this must perforce look very cliquish and stand-offish. But here at Mudcat it has been my experience when someone uses a term I don't know, and I ask what it means, I am instantly (well, quickly) told what it means. This to me really kills the whole clique idea. A clique uses its inside jokes, etc. to exclude outsiders, and would never divulge them to the casual observer, only to the deserving few they wish to induct into the clique. Here everyone is welcome to the club, and if you don't understand a bit of mudcabulary or an inside joke, you can ask and you will get pointed to the thread where it started. Hardly the behavior of a clique or cult or gang. Well, that's my US$.02.
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: catspaw49 Date: 23 Sep 00 - 08:02 PM Well mousethief, I believe you have just coined a new word........MUDCABULARY. I like it. Now go sit down at your table. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: clique-cult-gang From: flattop Date: 24 Sep 00 - 12:18 AM Like Rich the bod, I believe in the non-existence of the nonMudClique. Christ, we don't even agree on how to pronounce it. When I talk to Americans long distance, they say a clique that rhymes with prick. In Canada, where we have a French population and where we English have French pretensions even though we made fun of all our male French teachers as sounding effeminate, we say a clique that rhymes with Monique and sleek and speak and creak and sneak and unique. I'd much rather belong to a Canadian sounding clique than an American one but sometimes I simply feel like a mudToad, a lowly creature without status burried deep in the muck and forgotten. I envy the non-members of the nonMudClique who don't seem to have a life beyond the form and who seem to spend most of their time on-line writing messages and telling other people who don't feel like they are part of the nonMudClique what not to say. Often I wish I didn't have a life and could spend all my time on mudcat. At other times I feel like a real mudFucker, shoving my ideas in your face without much concern for your feelings or for what miserable things are happening in you miserable life. Then I don't care what you think or who belongs to what nonMudClique. I feel a bit like that now so I may go off and start my own thread. Try and stop me you nonMudClique members. |
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