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Subject: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:40 AM I appreciate the little girl's wonderful talent. Such expression! She reminds me of 'Our Gang' comedy stars but very 'New Age'. Its very funny and very true. Can you believe that censorship is cloaked as child advocacy? How dare they call this abuse while ignoring the number of children that have died as a direct result of U.S. aggression. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:48 AM Making more sense than usual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Ebbie Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:48 AM Obviously, I'm not in the loop... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Cluin Date: 10 Dec 06 - 02:08 AM WTF? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:42 AM oh my. I forgot to include the link. I'll see if I can find it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:45 AM Here's a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8x14cLGh5o |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:49 AM Oh, and here's the eight year old's uncle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1y6_KmCEQY&mode=related&search= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:54 AM O.K., O.K. its over a year old. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Big Al Whittle Date: 10 Dec 06 - 05:28 AM surely the most precocious unappealing talent since the Radio 2 Folk Music award. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Ebbie Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:51 PM Whew. I wouldn't want that kid in my house very long. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Sorcha Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:55 PM I can't do youtube. What's it all about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: jacqui.c Date: 10 Dec 06 - 12:55 PM Creepy - that kid appears to be much too young for what is coming out her mouth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST Date: 10 Dec 06 - 01:11 PM When a child swears, slap the parents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Ebbie Date: 10 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM Sorcha, the kid is talking about someone blaming violence in the US on kids doing rap and video games, reminding everyone that violence in the world is nothing new. Which is fine, as far as it goes. But she comes across as an obnoxious, mouthy person without an ounce of insight or empathy. I agree with you, Jacqui. It reminds me of an adult writing something for an already mouthy kid to spout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Little Hawk Date: 10 Dec 06 - 07:36 PM GAH!!! I just watched it. Now THAT's annoying! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Tinker Date: 11 Dec 06 - 08:45 AM It seems to be a scripted and carefully edited selections that took multiple takes to get each section just right. The costuming was also carfully chosen. Organized religion aside, a large dose of Ethics seems to be called for by all the parties involved. Of course if Religion is a toss off, why close telling everyone they are going to Hell ??? Even the dinosaurs ??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:07 AM Skimming through the "Comments" was struck by how many viewers seemed to find the child cute and the whole presentation appealing, as does our dianavan, apparently. Jeesh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Rapparee Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:10 AM I don't think I'll watch this. Thanks, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Cluin Date: 11 Dec 06 - 08:31 PM She IS kinda cute. Like Darla from the "Little Rascals". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 11 Dec 06 - 08:47 PM Well, there ya go ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 12 Dec 06 - 01:04 AM You can't believe that this child speaks and acts that way in everyday life! I never said she was cute. I said she was a good actor. Whats the difference between her presentation and the character of 'Darla' in Our Gang? Not much but a passage of time. As to the monologue, I think the commentary by Bill O'Reilly was far more obscene than anything the child said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:12 AM Some of you aren't getting it. This child and her uncle are American Indians, and they're speaking from that position. There's a lot of irony in their talk and they're bang on right. One of the few times I agree with Dianavan. I didn't move on to listen to Bill O'Reilly, maybe I will later. He's too predictable in dismissing anything he doesn't agree with. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 12 Dec 06 - 10:24 AM Now here's what I'm ashamed to admit - I can't remember Our Gang well enough to have a clear image of this 'Darla' (I assume you're talking about the original series and not the movie of a few years back - which I didn't see at all). Maybe I wouldn't think Darla was cute; I don't know ... Anyway, a good actor? Probably. I didn't watch the uncle's clip. But the little girl's clip has absolutely nothing to do with her possibly being an American Indian and "speaking from that position". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Dec 06 - 11:09 AM You're blind if you can't see it. And you should listen to the uncle, that clarifies it all the more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 12 Dec 06 - 11:39 AM The kid is as obnoxious as the people she's complainin' about. Watchin' the video is like havin' a toothache, but at least the pain stops when you turn it off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Cluin Date: 12 Dec 06 - 12:02 PM Well, the kid was interesting to watch, but I gotta admit there's a lot of sense in the uncle's rant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 12 Dec 06 - 01:41 PM I'm not going to listen to the uncle any more than I'm going to listen to Bill O'Reilly; and really, I wish I hadn't wasted my time listening to the kid. They all deserve each other; you can have them. By the way, being an American Indian isn't a "position". (Once again stumbling off into my eternal darkness. Oh, why can't these enlightened ones ever bring their light into my world? ... ) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Wolfgang Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:01 AM OFFICIAL STATEMENT: THIS VIDEO FEATURES A TALENTED YOUNG ACTRESS PLAYING A FICTITIOUS CHARACTER. IT IS A COMMERCIAL FOR THE BAND 'THE BASTARD FAIRIES' AND DIRECTED BY AN AWARD WINNING DOCUMENTARY FILM MAKING TEAM. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Cluin Date: 13 Dec 06 - 06:04 PM I like the song too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:52 PM You think being an American Indian doesn't involve taking a position? The position is usually "underdog." But then, you're probably a white middle class person who doesn't have a clue as to what it is like to be American Indian, especially in some of the marginalized reservation communities. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Actually, the video is brilliant, because it casts off all of the stereotypes you might have recognized. If you don't look at her eyes and really listen to the words, you won't get it. What is remarkable about that video is that they don't feed into the ideas that too many people hold regarding what it must be like to be an Indian. The museum mentality. This is a fully modern kid in the mainstream, except she's doing what a lot of American Indians do now--she's playing word games ("using the enemy's language") trying to jolt you out of your complacency. It seems to be working. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Ebbie Date: 13 Dec 06 - 08:56 PM snort |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 13 Dec 06 - 09:30 PM SRS: Actually, for the last twenty years I've been living and working with, loving and fighting with, Native people, in places about as remote and marginalized as they get. I don't need any lessons on the issues or "positions" from you, believe me. One thing about being blind, you develop a good nose. Right now I smell the pungent odour of something bovine ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Dec 06 - 12:33 AM You should have known better, then, "yourself," and while you're at it check your shoes. You stepped in something. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,meself Date: 14 Dec 06 - 08:21 AM Yes, dear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: SharonA Date: 14 Dec 06 - 03:35 PM Wolfgang's point is well taken. This is an advertisement, and the child actress is reading advertising copy. While some of the statements in that advertising copy may have more than a grain of truth to them, it angers me that a child was forced to read the copy. Unlike dianavan, I don't find it "very funny" at all. A child that age cannot possibly make independent decisions about what to watch or listen to. It is the responsibility of her parents and/or guardians to raise her to think independently and responsibly, and to protect her from propaganda and the media blitz in the meantime, not to exploit her for their gain... and certainly not to put profanity into her mouth for her to spout precociously. As for the uncle's statement, I started to listen to it but closed the window after the second f-word came out of his mouth. I suppose he talks that way in front of his niece, too. Some "child-advocacy" group should remove that child from the people who are abusing her acting skills, and place her with people who are not willing to sacrifice her on the altar of the Almighty Dollar. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: SharonA Date: 14 Dec 06 - 03:45 PM For those unfamiliar with Our Gang (a.k.a. Little Rascals) and the character Darla, played by Darla Hood, here is a page with some pretty comprehensive biographical information about Hood: Answers.com page on Darla Hood |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Dec 06 - 10:39 AM Nonsense! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 16 Dec 06 - 12:50 AM Chongo - You didn't seem to mind when you were making the scene with Darla. What changed your mind? SRS - I don't buy the opinion that this is an 'American Indian' point of view. I know plenty of human beings that have the same point of view and no Native ancestry. You don't have to be Native to believe that worshipping trees makes more sense than worshipping the multicoloured Jesus. Nor is it entirely Native to believe that European Christians slaughtered thousands in the Americas and elsewhere. I also do not agree that the child and her uncle Aboriginal. Lots of people have dark hair and eyes. I did not associate this video with Native Americans in any way. I wish they would start using the media more to get their point of view accross but I think its a big leap to call this an Indian point of view. As a commercial for a band, it rocks. Besides that, its funny. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Dec 06 - 05:57 PM You don't usually buy anything I say; it's uncommon that this should appeal to both of us. I'm just stating a fact, that this is an American Indian family who don't buy industrial religion, the christian dogma in particular. This group does a lot of "signifying."
It may be best known as an African American form of word play, but it exists within many marginalized cultures. If you look beyond the performance (which I am convinced that child DOES understand) you'll see "Little Buffalo Men" listed at the end as a clue, along with a lead singer called Yellow Thunder Woman:
The Bastard Fairies could be termed an oxymoron. If this is the case then their music is most definitely oxymoronic. Naughty but nice, sweet and sour, beautifully macabre, wonderfully morose. Like a baby with a razor blade, it'll hug you then cut you with no warning. Lead singer Yellow Thunder Woman, fiercly intelligent and clearly disturbed is that baby, assigned to take you through the many trials of life and understand that, no matter who you are, or where you've come from, we are all f**ked up and twisted and each of us a bastard fairy in our own little way. She is Native American, a direct decendant of the Great Ponca Chief Standing Bear, an Indian princess and member of the Yankton Sioux. In the Lakota language sioux means snake in the grass and Yellow Thunders inner soul is just that. She's the sort of girl who you could take to meet your ultra conservative, christian parents and appear to them to be the most perfect sweet little thing. Then, just when you think you're safe, up jumps that snake and bites into your mothers neck. Injecting her central nervous system with venomous tales of how to give great blow jobs and having extra marital affairs. But before you know it, shes served up an antidote of pure cute and all fellatious thoughts are gone. However, be aware that like herpes of the mouth it lurks in the shadows of one's concience waiting to strike and there is no cure. Life is very short and death is very long so come on friends lets embrace our own little peculiarities and become part of the Bastard Fairy family. link. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Dec 06 - 12:59 AM Well? Lots of people have dark hair and eyes. The silence is deafening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST Date: 17 Dec 06 - 07:31 AM Waht all this is about? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:35 PM SRS - You are right. They are aboriginals. Why didn't you include the source of your info? Instead, it seemed you were drawing conclusions based on the clip. I do not agree that the message is exclusively an American Indian point of view. Its a point of view that people from many different cultures share. In other words, Empires who have grown strong through acts of genocide deserve no respect. Religions who have become tools of the oppressors do not deserve respect. Not all Natives believe this and many non-natives do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 17 Dec 06 - 03:52 PM btw Chongo - I found this picture of you and Darla. http://www.forevernetwork.com/lifestories/Picture_window.cfm?NAME=410&Archive_ID=5938&Directory=/Archives/Hollywood You seemed to like 'lippy' little kids at one time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Dec 06 - 12:14 AM Why didn't I include the source? I have eyes in my head and ears and I can tell that they're Indians. I didn't need anything else to reach that conclusion. You weren't content with my opinion so I dug further. Since you posted the original link, your lack curiosity to back up your argument about the subject you started illustrates one of the reasons why we don't get along very well. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:49 PM Maybe the reason you don't "get along" with me is that you don't seem to understand that whether or not they are Native, it has little or nothing to do with their message or their point of view. I don't understand what you mean when you talk about a Native point of view. Are you saying all Natives think alike? I also know that our eyes and ears do not see and hear the same thing. I would not have known they were Native from the video clip alone. My original post had absolutely nothing to do with whether they were Native. That was your argument. I simply asked for the source of your information. I don't think thats any reason to make it personal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:20 PM It has a great deal to do with it, but that's what YOU don't get. Along with a lot of other stuff. Like critical thinking skills. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 19 Dec 06 - 03:01 AM I learned my critical thinking skills from this woman" http://www.writersunion.ca/r/rodrigez.htm ...who taught me all about Paulo Freire and his methods. In addition to a Bachelor of Education, I am a certified Adult Literacy instructor. You make some pretty big assumptions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Liz the Squeak Date: 19 Dec 06 - 03:11 AM Pedant alert... You get your story straight, you get your priorities right. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 19 Dec 06 - 08:58 PM Actually, Liz, I don't often tell people that I am a teacher but when I am accused of lacking a critical thining skills (without specifics) I have to defend myself. I have passed enough tests and written enough essays on the subject of political consciousness and critical thinking, that I shouldn't have to accept snide remarks from SRS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Dec 06 - 11:00 PM Snide wasn't the tone, but for your lack of intellectual curiosity I don't believe the teaching story you put forward. Though I have, over the years, met a few who seemed to slip through the cracks and end up teaching despite their inadequacies. So it is possible. SRS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Dec 06 - 11:01 PM Now that was snide. The rest was your own interpretation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 19 Dec 06 - 11:13 PM Nice picture. But it ain't me. It's some other chimp. We don't all look alike, you know. I get that all the time..."they all look alike to me"...boy, that burns my toast, lemme tell ya. I hate that sort of bigoted human attitude. People say Bush looks like a chimp. That's a lie! He don't look nearly that good. The original Darla was a cute kid, no doubt about it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 20 Dec 06 - 01:07 AM The original was not always so cute. Thats why the kid in the video reminded me of her. Looky here. Darla's on the left. http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/The-Little-Rascals-Poster-Card-C10281343.jpeg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Get your priorities straight From: dianavan Date: 21 Dec 06 - 08:03 PM Chongo - Do you still think Darla is cute? I do but I wonder why she hangs out with chimps. |
