BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 10:23 AM

Backwoodsman
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The Common Travel Area (CTA) is a long-standing arrangement between the UK, the Crown Dependencies (Bailiwick of Jersey, Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Isle of Man) and Ireland that pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it.

Under the CTA, British and Irish citizens can move freely and reside in either jurisdiction and enjoy associated rights and privileges, including the right to work, study and vote in certain elections, as well as to access social welfare benefits and health services.

The UK and Irish governments signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in May 2019 reaffirming our commitment to maintain the CTA, and the associated rights and privileges, in all circumstances. On signing the MoU, both governments released a Joint Statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:22 AM

But that’s not what I asked - my question was about the fairness (or, IMHO, the fairness) of people who have chosen to abandon the UK, and take up residence and, presumably, pay their taxes in another country being allowed to continue voting in UK elections.

And please don’t try to make this about you as you so often do - it’s SFA to do with you personally, it’s a genuine question about emigrants from this country in general.

Can anyone explain why it’s fair, because I don’t see it as such?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:23 AM

….(or, IMHO, the unfairness)…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:10 PM

BWM: Can someone please explain why someone who lives outside the UK should have any right to vote in UK elections?

One reason might be that they have a pension derived from working in the UK, and so have a valid interest in how this country is run.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:50 PM

Good point Nigel, something that hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 02:18 PM

It is to do with me personally ,because i paid taxes in the uk and receive a uk pension, and i like many other taxpayers who live abroad have a valid interst in how the country is run.
like many others i pay tax on everything i buy,in the country i live in, and when i visit the uk pay tax on what i buy then.
i alsp pay direct interest tax on any savings i have in the country i live in, if i have any savings.
so i pay tax in two countries.That is fair IMO

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:48 PM

Assange release
Link Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/julian-assange
Explainer: who is Julian Assange and what are the details of his plea deal?

After five years in jail, Julian Assange is expected to plead guilty to a single charge that will allow him to walk free and return to Australia

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 24 - 02:19 AM

I think you could start a new thread on that, Dick. It is not Brexit or UK politics and will be lost here.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:42 PM

Sunak is back on his normal condescending form wittering on about secret plans this or secret plans that? When is he going to come clean about his secret plans to force people with long term health conditions into debilitating work.

With regards to welfare reforms (mostly claimed by people in work), why are their no proposals to make work equally debilitating for people without health conditions?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:48 PM

Rwanda policy has reared its ugly head. Where is the tories porposal to round up racist and ne-n***s until they have proved to Rwandan authorities they have the right to return to the UK. Sunak is so pathetic, all that mouth piece is talking over everyone. Why isn't the presenter telling him to shut his mouth and wait his turn to speak.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:49 AM

I was interested when the Reform leaflet popped through my door yesterday (not, not in that way!)

There is a convention with election material. I am from Southampton, so each candidate will say what their links to Southampton are, why they are the right choice and how the parties policies apply to Southampton. OK, there will be a lot of boiler-plate common to election material for all candidates, but it will at least attempt to show some relationship to the constituency. We will all have heard of some Conservative candidates going so far down this approach that there is no mention of their leader at all.

So that is what struck me about the Reform leaflet. Apart from a white rectangle where the name of the candidate and constituency were printed, there was no mention about the candidate or location at all. The leaflets appear to have all been printed at a central location with as little relevance to the candidate and location as the address of an Amazon parcel I get.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:59 AM

I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came through my letterbox. Like the Tory leaflet, it went straight in the bin.

And anyway, they were both too late - I’d already voted when they arrived, and not for either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 27 Jun 24 - 11:29 AM

> I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came
> through my letterbox.

I'm convinced the only reason Herself reads such things is to stave off low blood pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 02:45 AM

It really is very galling to hear members of the party who themselves elected Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, the two worst Prime Ministers in living memory, now weaponising Keir Starmer’s support of his leader, Jeremy Corbyn, in the 2019 election. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black.

There really is no line below which the Tories will not stoop in their hopelessness and desperation, is there?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:36 AM

At least there is not long to go now BWM.

I have been fed up with a lot of the campaigning by all the parties. It was very noticeable when all the parties were questioned about their manifestos. They nearly all seemed to respond by attacking other parties manifestos rather than answer questions about their own.

I am just hoping that people will vote in this election.A low turnout is not good for any of us.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:46 AM

Re. Postal votes.

I was surprised to hear on BBC Radio 4 that in the last election 28% of the votes in Scotland were by post.

In the UK as a whole, 21% of the votes were by post in the last election.

On another matter, I mentioned earlier that there are 11 candidates standing in Dover & Deal. Anyone else here have more candidates than that? It does mean that there will be a lot more paper to be recycled.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:50 AM

So true, RD. But the Tories, in particular, have told barefaced lies, even when those lies are challenged by independent sources they’ve continued to peddle them. They have absolutely no shame.

Even our member here, who habitually defends the indefensible Tories, seems to have given up.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:23 AM

Article by Marina Hyde in The Guardian sums it up well..

Take it on trust, Britain’s politicians beg voters. Trouble is, we all know they’re lying

I think that most of us vote in the hope that things will get better.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:48 AM

Good article - Thank you