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Subject: British supernatural/macabre folk-songs...? From: GUEST,BlackAcornUK Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:25 PM As we approach the Eve of All Hallows, I wanted to ask - what British traditional songs do people know of, that engage with the supernatural, or otherwise grisly or chilling material befitting of the season? Songs that immediately spring to mind include Death and the Lady, Long Lankin, The Cruel Mother, Reynardine etc., but I'm really interested to gather other examples. Not technically traditional numbers, but the recordings of Mr Fox are also an excellent source of ghastly/ghoulish material.
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,BlackAcornUK Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:28 PM PS I did a search to check whether or not there was already a thread - and all I could find was focused on American ballads (see below). Apologies if there was already another thread that I've missed! /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=39820&messages=54 |
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Subject: Lyr Add: BURKE AND HARE From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:37 PM Unquiet Grave Wife of Usher's Well The Grey Cock - several versions All wonderfully serious There are wonderful children's versions of Death and the Lady - one begins "If ever you see a hearse go by" Another finishes with the singer shouting "For you" and grabbing the nearest listener Can be very funny but best keep the defibrillator handy Jim Carroll I often roll this out this time of year, given the opportunity BURKE AND HARE
William Burke it is my name |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,keberoxu Date: 24 Oct 19 - 01:43 PM Hurrah! Die Toten reiten schnell! Erm, yes, I know that's "Deutsch" and not "English." It's a quote from Gottfried August Buerger's "Lenore," which has been set to music by numerous composers. tive about The Suffolk Miracle? Both Child and Roud I believe. Maybe there are songs about that in English. (By the way, an English translation of the above: Hurrah! The dead ride swiftly!) |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Iains Date: 24 Oct 19 - 02:19 PM Perhaps "The Great Silkie of Sule Skerry," a traditional folk song from Shetland and Orkney. A woman has her child taken away by its father, the great selkie of Sule Skerry which can transform from a seal into a human. The woman is fated to marry a gunner who will harpoon the selkie and their son. (Child ballad number 113) and this thread https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=39820 Supernatural Ballads....?? |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE DUNDEE GHOST (Matt McGinn) From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Oct 19 - 02:35 PM This THE DUNDEE GHOST By Matt McGinn Noo a deid man seldom walks, he very rarely talks, (dead) It’s no very often you’ll see him running aroond, But I’m a refugee from a graveyard in Dundee And I’ve come tae haunt some houses in Glasgow Toon And I’ve come tae haunt some hooses in Glasgow Toon. Noo the reason I arose was to get masel’ some clothes, (myself) For I really get helluva cold below the ground, And I whispered tae masel’, “ah, I think I might as well Hang aroond a while and ha’e some fun, I’ll hang around a while and ha’e some fun”. Noo a chap put oot his light on a cold and frosty night, I showed him one of ma eyes and I skelped his head, (smacked) He said “Oh”, and I said “boo” he says, “who the hell are you” ? I said, “don’t be feart, I’m on’y a man that’s deid, (afraid) Oh no, don’t be feart, I’m only a man that’s deid”. Well the feller knelt and prayed and this is what he said; “Oh why, in the name of God have you picked on me” ? So I battered him on the lug and I pulled awa’ his rug. (ear) “The reason”, I said “is just tae let you see”. “The reason” , I said, “is just tae let you see”. Well he brought the polis in and I belted him on the chin, (police(man) The polis turned aroond and he blamed my friend. And he marched him aff tae jile and he’ll be in there quite a while, (off to gaol) But I’ll see naebody taks his single end, (House of one apartment, flat) Oh, no, I’ll see naebody taks his single end. Noo the polis thought him daft and a lot of people laughed When the feller said a ghost was in his hoose, But what the feller said was true and I might be visiting you, So just remember. I’m still on the loose, Aye, just remember, I’m still on the loose. TUNE HERE Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 24 Oct 19 - 02:43 PM The Holland Handkerchief is a brilliant other-worldly ballad, which I remember Packie* singing. He wrote out the words for me in his beautiful handwriting, and I have them in a file box somewhere in this barn of a house. (This was in the pre-computer/word processor days, so they never got Typed Up For Posterity.) I loved the air too, suitably minor-key and brooding. Anyway, the words are on this excellent website, and his version is the one Norma Waterson sings (scroll down, bottom left). In fact, I think he was the one who gave it to them, many years ago. Link is: https://mainlynorfolk.info/watersons/songs/thehollandhandkerchief.html And - if Ireland can be included - there's always She Moved Through The Fair, though it probably doesn't qualify as traditional because some of the words are said to have been written by Padraic Colum, a County Longford poet who is still in copyright. There's disagreement about the extent of his input, covered in more detail on Wiki. He apparently composed/collected it in Donegal, Packie's home county. - - - * Packie Manus Byrne, for anyone who doesn't already know. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Dave Sutherland Date: 25 Oct 19 - 07:08 AM The London broadside "The Midwife's Ghost" is in the DT. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,Brian Peters Date: 25 Oct 19 - 06:33 PM Riddles (Child 1) False Knight Two Sisters Sweet William's Ghost Young Benjie (really spooky, this one). Various witchcraft ballads, eg: Willie's Lady King Henry Alison Gross T The supernatural element in Reynardine is a fake, though - see previous threads. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE TWO MAGICIANS (A. L. Lloyd) From: gillymor Date: 25 Oct 19 - 06:49 PM The Two Magicians - Bert Lloyd w/ Dave Swarbrick The Two Magicians The lady stood at her own front door As straight as a willow wand, And along there come a husky smith With a hammer in his hand. And he said, [Refrain] “Bide lady, bide, There's nowhere you can hide. The husky smith will be your love And that'll pull down your pride. “Well may you dress, you lady fair, All in your robes of red. Before tomorrow at this same time I'll have your maidenhead.” Saying, [Refrain] “Away, away, you coal blacksmith, Would you do me this wrong? To think to have me maidenhead That I have kept so long. “I'd rather I was dead and cold And my body laid in the grave Than a husky, dusty, coal blacksmith My maidenhead should have.” Then the lady she held up her hand And swore upon her soul, She never would be the blacksmith's love For all of a box of gold. And the blacksmith he held up his hand And he swore upon the mass, “I'll have you for me love, me girl, For the half of that or less.” Saying, [Refrain] Then she became a turtle dove And flew up in the air, And he became an old cock pigeon And they flew pair and pair. And he cooed, [Refrain] And she became a little duck, A-floating in the pond, And he became a pink-necked drake And chased her round and round. Quacking, [Refrain] She turned herself into a hare And ran upon the plain, And he became a greyhound dog And fetched her back again. Barking, [Refrain] And she became a little ewe sheep And lay all on the common, And he became a shaggy old ram And swiftly fell upon her. Saying, [Refrain] She changed herself to a swift young mare As dark as the night was black, And he became a golden saddle And clung unto her back. Saying, [Refrain] And she became a little green fly, A-flew up in the air, And he became a hairy spider And fetched her in his lair. Saying, [Refrain] Then she became a hot griddle And he became a cake, And every change that poor girl made The blacksmith was her mate. Saying, [Refrain] She turned herself to a full-dressed ship A-sailing on the sea, And he became a captain bold And aboard of her went he. Saying, [Refrain] So the lady ran in her own bedroom And changed into a bed, And he became a green coverlet And gained her maidenhead. And was she woe, he held her so, And still he bad her bide, And the husky smith became her love And that pulled down her pride. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Oct 19 - 06:50 PM "The supernatural element in Reyardine is a fake, though -" Debatable Brian We heard part of an Irish version of it from two elderly farming brothers in North Clare and they first told it as a ghost story They said they got it from local Travellers Stranger things....! Jim |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Jack Campin Date: 25 Oct 19 - 06:58 PM Two Magicians The Wife of Usher's Well While it never got into folk tradition, the song about the murderer Mary McKinnon I included in my "Embro, Embro" pages, where her dissected corpse rises from the grave to deliver an awful warning, reaches a level of Grand Guignol horror that I doubt has ever been matched in popular literature. I've also included the actual chant used by the witches of North Berwick to raise a storm intended to kill James VI in 1592, with a purported tune. You sing it with jew's harp accompaniment. Easily singable but I've never heard it done. Fearties. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: theleveller Date: 26 Oct 19 - 03:21 AM Tam Lin. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Iains Date: 26 Oct 19 - 04:43 AM "Lady Isabel and the Elf Knight" (Child #4; Roud #21) The Two Magicians [ Roud 1350 ; Child 44 ; G/D 2:334 ; Ballad Index C044 ; trad.] |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Oct 19 - 05:36 AM With her 'ead tucked underneath her arm |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Ged Fox Date: 26 Oct 19 - 05:59 AM My Lady's Coach My Lady's Coach alternative tune |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Brian Peters Date: 26 Oct 19 - 06:12 AM Debatable Brian We heard part of an Irish version of it from two elderly farming brothers in North Clare and they first told it as a ghost story. Interesting, Jim. I was referring to Bert Lloyd's 'brightly shining teeth', but I'd accept that the Rinordine character does seem quite sinister in some other versions. With her 'ead tucked underneath her arm" Often in my repertoire around this time of year. 'The Frozen Girl' isn't supernatural, but the idea of driving around in a carriage with a corpse as a passenger is a bit creepy. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: punkfolkrocker Date: 27 Oct 19 - 03:14 PM Personl tastes and all that... But this version My Lady's Coach is the one more to my liking... Now if only there was a version with droning Northumbrian smallpipes...??? |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Dave Hanson Date: 27 Oct 19 - 03:35 PM You have to admit, whoever wrote it, it's quite chilling, Both day and night she's followed him, His teeth did brightly shine, As he led her over the mountains, Did this sly bold Reynardine. Dave H |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Mr Red Date: 28 Oct 19 - 03:00 AM Supernatural cf ghosts and witches is a fine distinction - have a look at - Halloween playlists |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 28 Oct 19 - 04:03 AM Then there's that classic about the brides in the bath murderer https://soundcloud.com/denise_whittle/george-joseph-smith |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,Kenny B(Inactive) Date: 28 Oct 19 - 05:01 AM How about the Highwayman by Alfred Noyes set to music at The Highwayman - Loreena McKennitt Or Dundee Cat Sung by Hamish Imlach |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Susan of DT Date: 28 Oct 19 - 05:15 AM Check out several keywords in the Digital Tradition: @myth @devil @witch @fairy |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: DMcG Date: 28 Oct 19 - 03:18 PM I hadn't heard "The Ballad of Cursed Anna" for a few decades before I sang it at a local club three years ago. I have heard it about a dozen times since.... ... but that may be a lack of attention on my part! I doubt if I am any kind of trendsetter in such things. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Mrrzy Date: 29 Oct 19 - 12:39 PM Twa magicians is awfully rapey. The Dublin Murder [a.k.a. Green Grows the Laurel] (he stabbed her and ripped her and cut her in 3) I think most of my ghost ballads have already been mentioned. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Oct 19 - 02:15 PM "he stabbed her and ripped her and cut her in 3" PRETTY POLLY (never heard it located in Dublin) Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Brian Peters Date: 29 Oct 19 - 05:08 PM "he stabbed her and ripped her and cut her in 3" Er, wasn't it her that did that to him? Unless we're talking about that rather nasty version of Lizzie Wan? |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Stewie Date: 29 Oct 19 - 08:52 PM This was referred to above by Bonnie. Lovely rendition. The Holland Handkerchief --Stewie. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: rich-joy Date: 30 Oct 19 - 02:15 AM That was indeed lovely, Stewie!! Re the OP's request, I'm surprised no one has mentioned "Lyke Wake Dirge", which, a la Young Tradition, I recall being a popular one at this turn of the year - perhaps not "supernatural" but fitting the "chilling material befitting of the season" in the original request!! Cheers, R-J |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,ottery Date: 30 Oct 19 - 06:17 AM Interested to hear that there's a German cousin of The Suffolk Miracle (which I also know under the name The Holland Handkerchief). When I was a child, I had a collection of folk stories from the Fen Country called The Dead Moon. The Suffolk Miracle was one of them, and it terrified me so much it gave me nightmares. Still scares me, though I enjoy the song. In terms of spooky/supernatural ballads, I did. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,ottery Date: 30 Oct 19 - 06:20 AM Hmm, the rest of my post has been eaten. Serves me right for trying to write on my phone on a train. I was trying to mention The Huntsman, which I know from a Fay Hield album. Last verse very creepy. https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/songs/thehuntsman.html |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Sarah the flute Date: 31 Oct 19 - 04:10 PM White dog of Yockenthwaite? sung by Artisan |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST Date: 15 Oct 20 - 05:51 AM Cruel Ship's Carpenter Molly Vaughan Two Sisters And my favourite: A lady stood at the churchyard door (ooh aah). Tradsinger |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Rumncoke Date: 15 Oct 20 - 08:11 PM There's 'The ghost with the squeaky wheel' I've only heard the Scottish version sung, where the wheelbarrow is desqueaked with whisky, but the same tale is told in Yorkshire where the hot fat and vinegar from some fish and chips does the trick. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,.gaegoyle Date: 15 Oct 20 - 09:51 PM There are four "Halloween Songs" in grade three California 1956 and two in the same issue for grade four. Sincerely, Gargoyle Little Orphant Annie comes to our house to stay, to wash the.... |
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Subject: Lyr Add: GREEN GROWS THE LAUREL From: Mrrzy Date: 16 Oct 20 - 08:56 AM In Dublin's fair city, in Dublin's fair town There lived a young girl by the name of miss Brown She courted a sailor for 7 long year And from the beginning he called her his dear One morning so early by the break of the day He called to her window and to her did say Rise up, bonny Mary, and come you with me Such things they will happen, such things you will see He took her o'er mountain, he took her o'er dell She heard through the morning the sound of a bell All over the ocean, all over the sea Ye maidens of Dublin, take warning by me O sailor o sailor, come spare me my life But out of his pocket he took a penknife He stabbed her and ripped her and cut her in 3 Then he buried poor Mary beneath the green tree Now green grown the laurel and red grows the rose And a black bird will follow wherever he goes Crying Sailor O sailor where'er ye be The blood flows forever beneath the green tree |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Gordon Jackson Date: 16 Oct 20 - 12:26 PM I’m quite surprised no one’s mentioned the book, Folklore in the English and Scottish Ballads, by Lowry Charles Wimberly. Originally published in, I think, 1928, it’s still in print today. Excellent book. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: The Sandman Date: 16 Oct 20 - 04:30 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ogTQqP6NQ Halloween |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Felipa Date: 16 Oct 20 - 07:32 PM see also Ballads and songs w/ haunting theme ( a recent Mudcat thread) |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 01 Oct 23 - 07:12 AM Again, if you don't mind Irish sources, this is hard to beat: The Otherworld |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes Date: 01 Oct 23 - 08:23 AM "Willie's Fatal Visit" Roud 244; Child 255 is hard to beat for ghostly chills - Ray Fisher does a magnificent job of singing it too. |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Big Al Whittle Date: 01 Oct 23 - 10:33 AM Does anyone remember that Jim Reeves song about a ghost dog? His master returns home after many years away The dog saves him from drowning in the creek, He gets home and they tell him that the dog died ages ago. It used to be on a jukebox in a pub I went into. [That would be Old Tige. -- A Mudelf]
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Subject: Lyr Add: WITH 'ER 'EAD TUCKED UNDERNEATH 'ER ARM From: The Og Date: 01 Oct 23 - 06:27 PM Not a folk song - 1934 lyrics by R P Weston and Bert Lee, music by Harris Weston - but a good number.. With Her Head Tucked Underneath Her Arm In the tower of London, large as life The ghost of Anne Bolyn walks, they declare Poor Anne Bolyn was once King Henry's wife Until he made the headsman bob her hair Ah, yes, he did her wrong long years ago And she comes up at night to tell him so With her head tucked underneath her arm She walks the bloody tower With her head tucked underneath her arm At the midnight hour She comes to haunt King Henry, she means giving him what for Gadzooks, she's going to tell him off for having spilled her gore And just in case the headsman wants to give her an encore She has her head tucked underneath her arm With her head tucked underneath her arm She walks the bloody tower With her head tucked underneath her arm At the midnight hour Along the draughty corridors, for miles and miles she goes She often catches cold, poor thing It's cold there when it blows And it's awfully awkward for the Queen to have to blow her nose With her head tucked underneath her arm Sometimes gay King Henry gives a spread For all his gals and pals and ghostly crew The headsman craves the joint and cuts the bread Then in comes Anne Bolyn to queer the do She holds her head up with a wild war whoop And Henry cries "don't drop it in the soup!" With her head tucked underneath her arm She walks the bloody tower, With her head tucked underneath her arm At the midnight hour The sentries think that it's a football that she carries in And when they've had a few they shout "is Ars'nal going to win?" They think it's Alec James instead of poor old Ann Boleyn With her head tucked underneath her arm With her head tucked underneath her arm She walks the bloody tower With her head tucked underneath her arm At the midnight hour One night she caught King Henry, he was in the canteen bar Said he, "are you Jane Seymour, Anne Bolyn, or Katherine Parr? For how the sweet san fairy ann do I know who you are With your head tucked underneath your arm?" |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,RJM Date: 02 Oct 23 - 02:54 AM The Wife of Usher's Well |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE SENTRY AND THE NIGHT VISITOR From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:32 PM I wrote this one a few year back to use at Halloween. It's based on some old folk tales blended with some science fantasy. Best performed by a duo taking half a verse each. THE SENTRY AND THE NIGHT VISITOR. “Who comes this way?” the sentry cried, Peering through the dark. “Who comes this way at dead of night, And causes dogs to bark?” “You do not want to know my name, Nor yet my purpose here. Forget that I have come this way Or it will cost you dear.” “Stand forward, and be recognised.” The sentry called again. “ For I must know if you are foe or friend to those within. “There are some here who combat me Each and every day To others I am bless’d relief A friend upon their way.” “Why come you now at dead of night?” The sentry questioned still. “What business will not wait ‘til light And better time fulfil?” “My business waits for none, I fear, The time already planned, For light and dark are both the same As neither stay my hand.” “Who do you visit in this place?” The sentry now did ask. “Who has business at this hour, Why now this ill timed task?” “I come for one within these walls, To take him far away, But who will come with me tonight Is not for me to say.” “I know you now” the sentry said “The one who comes for all. But I must stand my post outside And keep you from the wall.” “Then you will come with me tonight, And keep your word in faith. For those within will all sleep sound.” So vanished man and wraith. Robin |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler Date: 02 Oct 23 - 05:34 PM I should add that Nick Hennesey does a very good version of the "Holland handkerchief" where he sings part of the story then switches to storytelling mode then reverts to singing for the end. Robin |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Mrrzy Date: 02 Oct 23 - 09:42 PM Ooh I like the man and wraith. Tune? |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: GUEST,RJM Date: 03 Oct 23 - 03:11 AM black belt,that is a clever well written song |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE GHOST WI’ THE SQUEAKY WHEEL (Clelland From: Jim Dixon Date: 31 Oct 23 - 12:27 PM Rumncoke mentioned this on 15 Oct 20. Lyrics copied from a blog, here, and tweaked a bit by me, to agree with what Robin Lang seems to sing. The blog has a recording, and so does Spotify. THE GHOST WI’ THE SQUEAKY WHEEL Written by Tom Clelland As recorded by Robin Lang on “The Water of Life” (2003) Now, Wullie was a fearless man. When other fellows turned and ran, He’d shake the shiver from his hand And stand up straight an’ weel. All superstitions he disdained As spooky stories fit for a wean Till he met a phantom o’ his ain, A ghost wi’ a squeaky wheel. The bells had claimed the old year end. Wullie’d been first-footin’ friends. Blithely turnin’ home again, He took the river road. The moon was full with frosty bite, The water deep and still and iced, His breath like silver stars at night, No living soul abroad. CHORUS: Now, blended whisky’s power is slight. Guid malt could face the deil, Should you meet on a winter’s night A ghost wi’ a squeaky wheel. Past Crossford Park and village sign, The iron brig and wall behind, The silver birch and the old hedge line, Wull sauntered worry-free, When in the distance came a great Sound that made him stand and wait, Like the swinging o’ some hellish gate, A rasping, rhythmic gree. Wull stood transfixed as it drew near, The squeaking growing ever clear, A piercing echo through his ear, From the depths of Hell it rang; An’ a sight that gripped him tae the marrow: A figure, ghostly grey and hollow, A grisly shape that pushed a barrow Wi’ the face of old Boab Lang. CHORUS “Well, Boab,” said Wull, and showed no fear, “It’s unco strange tae meet you here. We have nae met these twenty year, Mony an Auld Lang Syne.” The ghost looked Wullie in the eye An’, in a mournful voice, did cry: “Beware, puir sinner, born to die! Be ready for your time! “We all must pass, each single yin, Our earthly pockets filled wi’ sin, That drags us doon and draws us in To this world and its sorrows. Damned selfishness breeds despair, Transgressions greedy, cruel and sair— We a’ hae sins, but I had mair, Enough to fill this barrow. CHORUS “The Clyde, the burn, the Nethan River Bind me on this road forever. Runnin’ water I can never Cross nor bridges breach. Between these points, traverse I must. These chains and torture serve me just, But the worst is this infernal rust And this old wheel’s hellish screech.” Says Wull, “Ma freend, I cannae judge. I’ll try help you wi’ your drudge.” But the barrow Wullie couldnae budge Like it were solid steel. “But I have the very dab,” cries he. “The finest whisky’s what you need.” And his good malt Wullie freely gied An’ poured it on the wheel. The whisky stopped the squeakin’ dead. The ghostly figure smiled instead. The screechin’ ceased in Wullie’s head, And silence once more reigned. Wull crossed the bridge at Hazel Burn, His good deed done, his sleep well earned, An’ he watched the ghost as he did turn And started down again. CHORUS TWICE |
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Subject: RE: British supernatural folk-songs...? From: Senoufou Date: 01 Nov 23 - 04:31 AM When in the Girl Guides (1950's) we sang:-
Whenever you see a hearse go by |
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