BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 05:35 PM

Power delivery, IEEE Transactions, vol. 17 Issue 2, 2002, "Evaluation of the potential for power line noise to degrade real time differential GPS messages broadcast at 283.5-325 kHz.":

"The new Nationwide Differential Global Positioning System network uses the 283.5-325 kHz band to broadcast differential GPS (DGPS) correction messages. Concern has been expressed that power line corona and gap discharge noise could degrade the performance of DGPS receivers using this band...."

Cutting to the heart, if you are lost, do not use your GPS near a power line.
The article goes on to say that nearby nonpower line RF noise sources also may disrupt performance, such as those in vehicles.

Google the article if you are interested in its content.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:08 PM

Gnu:

Stop using electricity and killing other people's children then. That means stop using the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:20 PM

Gnu- There's an immense difference between low-frequency radiation's effect on things, and microwave-frequency radiation's effects. I can't prove that that power line radiation doesn't affect tissue, but I also can't prove that there aren't evil spirits that live near power lines that cause measles, of cancer or warts.
When you say you ain't no scientist, I can only agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: gnu
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:37 PM

Fact is, youse are endageringing kittens by forcing them to live near power lines you heartless bastards! Why subject these kitties to such a horrible end?... measles, cancer, warts... you will have to answer some day when you go to pay that final bill at the power company.

Just make sure you put your account number on the cheque. They seem to get pissed about that for some strange reason.

Stop using the internut? How can I spread the wierd about this danger unless I use massive mediums?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: Paul Burke
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 06:52 PM

Well, while you're saving the children from Big Powa, remember the sacrifice you're making- every post, POW! there goes another kitten, or bunny rabbit, or meerkat...

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Oct 11 - 07:30 PM

"I can't prove that that power line radiation doesn't affect tissue, but I also can't prove that there aren't evil spirits that live near power lines that cause measles, of cancer or warts."

Why have you become so mean-spirited?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:31 AM

One suggested mechanism for damage to health from high-voltage power lines is rather indirect. The lines act like an electrostatic precipitator, putting charge on fine particles of pollutants as they drift past the wires. The result being that the particles are more likely to stick to your lungs when you breathe them in, some way downwind and well beyond the distance where any direct biological effect of the electromagnetic field would occur.

This was published (with empirical evidence that it actually happens) in some honest-to-god refereed journal a few years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 11:11 AM

Guest,999-
If I have become mean-spirited (which I don't believe I have) it's due to the prevalent Anti-Scientific trend in thinking. If you don't or can't test hypotheses, then they remain unproven guesses. The hypotheses that Jack Campin just suggested is certainly plausible; the expected result if it were, in fact , true would be an increase in lung cancer near power lines. The supposed problem, I believe , is leukemia.
In any case, the hypothesis is easily testable by exposing lab rodents to dusty environments with and without low-frequency EMR being present.

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 11 - 08:37 PM

There ya go Dick... fry up some rodents. Let's get at it and do some real research. Seems like the big money only wants ta warn people about kids livin near power lines on accounta they might hafta pay out money for that... not fer old fellahs like you and me... and 9, of course, although I think 9 is goin out in a ball of fire even if he don't live near power lines. He's got style eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Dangers of Electricity Pylons (question)
From: Musket
Date: 09 Oct 11 - 06:51 AM

I suppose that by saying a doctor in a hospital has a gut feelings about mobile phones, it must be true that they are the root of all neuro problems?

One doctor having a gut feeling isn't evidence, ask that actual doctor! (One thing I have learned since interfering in healthcare and for that matter being married to a doctor, is that having human hunches is secondary to their obligation to be evidence based. it's what sorts the real ones from the quacks, and this guy must be a real one. Don't confuse a gut feeling with a professional opinion. My wife has a gut feeling I eat and drink too much for my own good whilst she has a very healthy diet. Yet the evidence is that she picks up every cold and bug going while I remain fit as a butcher's dog.

RF radiation is around us and if you go back a few hundred years, it was still around us. Research is ongoing as to whether the frequencies and power levels of man made RF in certain instances can have an effect that our cells are not evolved to withstand. (Hence the possibility of leukaemia clusters being a plausible smoking gun to set your hypothesis on.)

But the jury is out and going back to the stone age ain't going to stop solar flares, the effect of our magnetosphere or atomic decay radiation all around us.

Me? I'd go for a pint or three and enjoy life. Hang on! Pubs open in ten minutes! (Would be before now, but it is Sunday and the bloody Christians have the right to interfere with my social life...)