Subject: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 26 Apr 00 - 06:29 AM Owning guns, to keep us safe.
You feel safe, when you've got a gun
We are making war for peace
All the things that are made with a gun
We are making war for peace
Well, it's just natural to have a gun
We are making war for peace Roger Gall 2000 |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: SINSULL Date: 26 Apr 00 - 09:05 AM Don't take your guns to town son Leave your guns at home Bill Don't take your guns to town... |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 27 Apr 00 - 07:34 PM Tears And Winter Rain(Song For Kayla)
The slightest glimpse of springtime
Will things now be different?
This life was not of her choosing
The slightest glimpse of springtime
Will things now be different? Roger Gall 2000 |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Greg F. Date: 27 Apr 00 - 08:58 PM Hallelujah, Dads and Mommies Cowboys, Rebels, Yanks and Commies Buy yourself some real red-blooded fun! If you want to make the grade You've gotta have a hand grenade and a fully automatic G.I. gun! So buy a gun for your son right away, sir Take his hand like a man and let him play, sir Let his little mind expand, place a weapon in his hand For the skills he learns today may some day pay, sir! (etc...) -Tom Paxton That's all I can remember off the cuff- will try to look up & post the rest unless one of the quicker Mudcat Denizens beats me to it... Greg |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST, A.C. Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:16 PM Song for the Unborn (or something like that) Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. Rat a tat. © 2000 Askme Carefully |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:31 PM Well Shambles, I think your song is a bit juvenile, and also rather insulting--the fact that is is in verse, as part of a song, really doesn't justify it--Alexander Pope and Oscar Wilde were notorious for expressing similar sentiments,, but they did it with wit and drollness-- This particularly is, well galling--"If you want to be free and quote the Constitution, The best place for you is in an institution"--though in truth, the awkward earnestness of the statement reflects more on you than on anyone else-- You know how important that can be-- At any rate--I said it to McGrath, and I'll say it to you--you don't know the first thing about life here--all you know about are news headlines--and those are dictated more by what politicians think will make their opponents look bad, than by what is really going on-- Americans know how to filter out the spin, and how to recognize the political bias in these news events--something that many outsiders have yet to learn how to do-- In truth, violence and violent crimes (as well as crimes in general) have been in steady decline here, for a number of years-- With all the fuss that is made about the epidemic of "kids murdering kids", it turns out that the actual number of these deaths last year in the US, is less than the number of people who drowned in their own bathwater during the same time period-- |
Subject: Lyr Add: BUY A GUN FOR YOUR SON (Tom Paxton) From: Greg F. Date: 27 Apr 00 - 09:52 PM BUY A GUN FOR YOUR SON (Tom Paxton) As recorded by Tom Paxton on "Ain't That News," 2005. Hallelujah, dads and mommies, Cowboys, Rebels, Yanks and Commies: Buy yourself some real red-blooded fun! If you want to make the grade, You've got to have a hand grenade And a fully automatic G.I. gun! CHORUS: So buy a gun for your son right away, sir! Shake his hand like a man and let him play, sir! Let his little mind expand; place a weapon in his hand, For the skills he learns today will someday pay, sir! Pound that kid into submission Till he's mastered nuclear fission. Buy him plastic warheads by the score. Once he's got the taste of blood, he's Gonna sneak up on his buddies, Starting his own thermonuclear war. CHORUS Buy him khakis and fatigues, And sign him up in Little Leagues, And give him calisthenics as a rule. Once you've banished fear and dreadm Then pat his seven-year-old head And send him off to military school. CHORUS Once he's grown to be a man, he Might get tired of blastin' Granny. Then you'll see a crisis coming on. Don't get worried; don't get nervous. Send that kid into the Service. Let him rise into the Pentagon. At the Pentagon, he'll rise. The President he will advise. His reputation growing all the while. With your picture on the wall, He'll get that long-awaited call And press the firing buttons with a smile. CHORUS |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST, A.C. Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:00 PM It was also dreadful rhyme. Somebody should put you in an institution for writing such drivel. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,The Yank Date: 27 Apr 00 - 10:01 PM Ah yes, the All-Powerful and All-Knowing Wizard, Mr.Ted, deigns to show us poor unfortunates the way to true enlightenment...... |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Kelida Date: 27 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM Personally, I feel we should outlaw bathing. I'm a bit scared now--sounds dangerous. So here's a ditty I thought might describe some more fears of mine (as one of the "kids" that gun laws are supposed to protect). . .
Not-So-Irrational Fears
My mother's bathtub was quite deep, I should say,
Chorus
I once knew a boy who was stung by a bee, Chorus I was spending vacation swimming in the Florida Keys, When a shark came and chomped on my knee, My bleeding was profuse, and a tourniquet no use, I got gangrene and that was the end of me. Chorus These are all more likely to happen then someone taking a shot at me at school, so maybe we should outlaw bathtubs and start a genocidal war against bees and sharks? There are so many other things to worry about in life. Why worry about death until it happens. Personally, when I die, I die, but I plan on enjoying whatever time I have on this earth, and I can't do that if I'm always worrying about improbabilities. It's bad karma, you know. . . Peace--Keli |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:27 AM Ted
Yes, it's insulting
Guns are insulting
Put up or shut up
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 28 Apr 00 - 07:29 AM Keli
The certainty of youth
It appears so clear to you now |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 08:17 AM That's more like it, Sham--When you're funny, it is inspirational--Sorry I don't have time, but I will write something for you, in reply-- Yank--No one has ever said it so well, or so accurately--It's a keeper!! |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 12:41 PM
They asked,"Would you go to Great Britain?"
"We have guns in the land of "The Bard",
"We were masters of killing, it's true
"But the days of the Empire are gone
Copyright 2000,Ted Boucher
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,The Yank Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:10 PM From: M.Ted Date: 27-Apr-00 - 09:31 PM
I said it to McGrath, and I'll say it to you-- |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 01:34 PM We dwelt neath the thumb of a mitten, Of the Empire they once called Great Britain We rejoiced to learn things About poets and kings But alas, we are no longer smitten!
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,Sandy Howarth Date: 28 Apr 00 - 02:56 PM MTed, You must think you are awfully clever but I've got news for you, you are a show off and a clown. This is is absolute rubbish, an you ought to be ashamed for posting it. I have been reading some of the other threads today, as well, and in addition to being a hypocrite, you are condescending, and, as someone above so accurately said, "a know it all".I have noticed that there aren't as many people posting as there used to be, and who can blame them, when people like you use everything they say as an excuse to go on and on.
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Kelida Date: 28 Apr 00 - 03:07 PM I hope that my kids can grow up without fear, In a world where violence and pain aren't near. Is it too much to hope or idealistic? Is a world in harmony just unrealistic? Why can't we all just get along? I know it's cliche, but would it be wrong, To live in a world where people are kind To each other, and there is respect for the mind? Guns don't kill, but people do, Why leave them go free 'till they do it to you? Get the killers off the streets, Don't wait until it's death you greet. If people really want to kill, They'll do it with gun, or car, or even pills Outlawing the weapon won't undo or stop the crime Don't wait to punish killers when there isn't time. Peace--Keli |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST, Fast Charlie Date: 28 Apr 00 - 04:45 PM "Yes, it's insulting Yes, it's juvenile But at least it's there to be got at"
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Wesley S Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:16 PM Steve Earle said - "The devils right hand, the devils right hand Momma said a pistol is the devils right hand" |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:24 PM Ah, Sandy, Thank you for the kind words... But seriously--I was just "putting up" rather than "Shutting up" as Shambles asked--but, now that you mentioned it, I do think it was sort of clever-- But I think is is a bit unreasonable to expect limericks to be fair and balanced-- And I know all to well that I don't know-it-all(but I try!) |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,Sir Arthur Conan and Doyle Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:43 PM Shingles (the artist formerly known as Shambles), Without melody and chords as a reference point, you songs are merely poems. The more I read your postings, the more I wish you were J.R. Ewing, and myself as Joel Grey, screaming:
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,Trish Date: 28 Apr 00 - 05:45 PM The song doen't mention guns, but Eric Bogle wrote "One Small Star" after the Dunblane (Scotland) massacre by Thomas Hamilton, who shot 16 5-year-olds and their teacher. The song is about surviving the aftermath. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 28 Apr 00 - 06:47 PM I believe the theory of this thread Is make it rhyme, and keep your head. So here is my response in verse - when sung it might be even worse:
My country is perfect, in all of its acts,
My country is perfect for all of its faults,
My country is perfect, and you make me sick
("The Route of the Blues" is the tune I have in mind. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:27 PM It scans to"Poor Buttercup, Poor little Buttercup" At least, you repeat the first line But I speak for myself If you want something else Write the verses yourself, I decline
When I talk of pansies, I only mean flowers
I grew up in a city all steel dark and grey
Today, I sit quiet and gaze at the earth
And from far o'er the ocean from cause I know not
Oh the country is vast and the borders extend
so I ask why you care about these grains of sand
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:48 PM -GUEST--I feel like your stepping outside the bounds of normal discussion and attempting to intimidate me--and since you have chosen not to post your name, or give any means of identifying yourself, it comes across as an anonymous stalker type of threat-- If this is not your intent--I would appreciate it if you would identify yourself, and clarify what your real intent is--
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,Geist Date: 28 Apr 00 - 09:58 PM Intimidate such a perfect wit as yourself??? Impossible, I say! Surely impossible!! Just don't let it bother you, as you keep suggesting to others. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Rick Fielding Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:36 PM Ah Shambles I know why you're trying, It's tough what we read in the news. Just too many young folks 'a dying Trust me, We've ALL got the blues. But sometimes the anger, tho' burning is awkwardly spake, tho' not wrong In ways to find peace, we're still learning But this ain't your best-written song. ********************* Guest Sandy, you're welcome as summer, But mTed's been here for a while. For all we know, you're just a "slummer", And Ted's gave us many a smile. Opinions, oh yes he has many, Always a man for debate. Valued 'round here just like any, And his chord substitutions are great! ******************** Jeezus, this here doggerel writin' is hard! McGonnigal |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Rick Fielding Date: 28 Apr 00 - 10:40 PM Whoops, after writing those bad poems, I forgot to say, "Novel idea, Sham. I don't think your material is strong this time, but good on ya, for thinking of an inventive way to deal with this debate." Rick |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Kelida Date: 28 Apr 00 - 11:50 PM I think this thread was a very good idea, but I think too that like any other thread about controversy, there are going to be a certain number of flamers and trolls. Unfortunately, they have as much right to be here as anyone. I only wish that they could be articulate enough to get some sort of understandable point across. . . Peace--Keli |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 29 Apr 00 - 07:01 AM The song's merits are not important In a thread about guns NOT, crossed swords
Rick, |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:15 AM A brief Talking Blues (just to show it's not America as such I'm on about).
Just in case anyone gets it wrong, Morris dancing? No I won't alow that, no way! And the Queen? Well she's just showbiz today. And locking up innocent people's a crime, but you do that too, some of the time. Maybe...football hooligans... Thank the Lord, at least they don't have guns...
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 10:18 AM Once more - with line breaks this time.
Just in case anyone gets it wrong,
Morris dancing? No I won't allow that, no way!
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 29 Apr 00 - 11:01 AM (To the melody of the verse of "Red Wing")
As target of your wrath
Will soccer riots do?
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 12:15 PM My country is perfect, we're never to blame although we are often provoked. Some slight rough and tumble is part of the game, when the odd football fan may get croaked. But these foreigners don't see the joke Prose interlude: But football volence in doesn't quite hit the spot. Start up a thread attacking it, I can't see anyone wading in to say it was a good thing, and part of the English way of life.
What I'm looking for is something that might have an equivalent charge to talking about guns in the American conntext - something that most English people think is great, and most other people see as disastrous. The idea that England has a useful role to play in Ireland might do, I suppose - it's interesting that the two most volatile topics on the Cat are gun laws and Ireland...
My country is perfect, we're eager to help
(Now that might mean the UK and Ireland, or the USA and Cuba.. ."If the cap fits, wear it", as they say.)
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 29 Apr 00 - 02:26 PM Excuse my lack of verse My rhymes keep getting worse And it takes a lot more time To get write and get my thoughts to rhyme (Free verse, with political commentary, a la Ezra Pound-- can be sung to any of the 12-tone themes from Alban Berg's opera, Wozzack)
What you don't understand,
If they didn't, you would never hear
What Americans
Someone has pointed
In our Constitution,
Keeping this in mind
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:30 PM Free verse is it? Right then, here's one I did earlier, as they say on the cookery programmes on the telly.
Dialogue of the Deaf
Everyone makes mistakes sometimes.
You criticise everything we do.
You never listen to our criticisms. (I wrote this about my employers in Social Services, and the agencies attitude to outside criticism.
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:32 PM And here's another one, more directly on topic with this thread:
It seems to me the "gun debate" confuses two very different things - whether the present gun laws are adequate, and whether the constitution excludes tougher gun laws, as if that decided the issue: Well, you didn't like Kings,
Then you didn't like drink,
So you don't like guns
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Rick Fielding Date: 29 Apr 00 - 03:46 PM Ted and McGrath, you've got the potential to be the "Flanders and Swan" of Mudcat! Very good satire on a tough subject. Rick |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 00 - 06:40 PM There should be severe penatties meted out for half-wit coddling: PLEASE don't encourage M.[oron] Ted in his antics; he's not in the least amusing. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Rick Fielding Date: 29 Apr 00 - 08:27 PM Wow. Two guys who SIGN THEIR OWN NAMES putting their differences into ironic and (pretty) witty verse. By making a positive comment on this I am deserving of a "SEVERE PENALTY"? What might that penalty be? Perhaps "stealing my name", and posting insults, as was done to Moonchild last week. Perhaps starting a "B.S.MTed" thread with personal information in it (as you did last night) is the SEVERE PENALTY you're referring to. I truly hope not. Rick Fielding |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST Date: 29 Apr 00 - 09:42 PM No worries, Mate- you're not a moron! Far from it, in my humble opinion. But it's hardly 'personal information' if its posted on the Web for a simple search to find, e.g. Rick Fielding [I deleted Rick's address and phone from this message. There's no reason for it to be here, especially when it's posted by someone who's afraid to state his or her own name]. Now, just cut it out, everybody, and get back to having fun and civil discussion. -Joe Offer- |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Apr 00 - 07:10 AM Once again: read it and weep - once again a flasher does his thing on the Mudcat. Put it away laddie. No one's impressed.
The "right to bear arms" is a right I disdain, |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 30 Apr 00 - 10:41 AM MUDCAT VOW.
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Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Greg F. Date: 30 Apr 00 - 01:23 PM McGrath- LOVE the Gilbert & Sullivan bit! Wonderful- hadn't run across it before. Greg |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: Midchuck Date: 30 Apr 00 - 04:51 PM I made my contribution to this thread before it got started, but here it is if anyone missed it (if I did the BCT right). Peter. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 May 00 - 02:56 PM Now for a more light-hearted extension of this debate in song, try this Song Challenge thread |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: marshman Date: 04 May 00 - 12:46 PM Since no one has responded to my request for lyrics thought I'd post this verse here. Does anyone recognize this ditty?
when I wrote your name with the M16 But didn't I set the hostage free? Your getting bothered doesn't marry me. |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: GUEST,paul Date: 27 Jul 04 - 11:15 PM Probably Dave Gordon, album = "natural causes". Very funny song. Check Famous Old Time Music Company (513) 242-1442. I think they have it on vinyl or cassette. astronut1000@yahoo.com |
Subject: RE: The gun debate. IN SONG. From: The Shambles Date: 28 Jul 04 - 06:12 AM The answer came, just like a shot, Four years late, so I think not! Have things got better, in all this time? You you wish to answer, please do it in rhyme..... |
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