BS: Rummy caught on video

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM

"And is only Republicans who do what you say or politicians in general? Are you sure? :D"

"You mean just as many of the things these Democrats claim are untrue?"

Strick, as someone who (as you have repeatedly pointed out) is so well versed in formal logic, surely you realize that these statements are textbook examples of the "Tu Quoque" specialization of the Argumentum ad Hominem.

You are clearly very smart. So are a lot of people here.

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Strick
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 05:45 PM

The first line was more of a reducto ad absurdum than ad hominem. I wasn't attacking the arguer, only his premise.

Likewise, my reply to you wasn't really an attack on the Democrats (your appeal to authority?) as a repetition of the point I've seen many if not most of these 237 'misleading' statements refuted in the link I listed.

Thomas, I don't mind you reaching a conclusion half the country disagrees with. Just don't quote evidence like this to support it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 05:50 PM

" OK, so what did Rumsfeld mean by that famous quote? "

He meant the US should attack Iraq pre-emptively. The administration had a terrible desire to attack Iraq. As you know. petr's got it pretty well.

"And is only Republicans who do what you say or politicians in general? Are you sure?"

Politicians, advertisers, posters to mudcat and humanity in general. And _tu quoque_.   

I know that's hard for someone who isn't used to Latin to follow, but you can look it up.

See? I can do it too.

Yes I'm sure.

clint.

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Strick
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:08 PM

Talk to guest, Clint. He quotes Latin.

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST,pdc
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:37 PM

Strick -- upthread you stated, "What Clarke was proposing was a pre-emptive war with Afghanistan before 9/11."

Now, before I get into the pot-kettle-black thing, could you please present some evidence for that odd statement?

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 08:12 PM

Strick...

"Thomas, I don't mind you reaching a conclusion half the country disagrees with. Just don't quote evidence like this to support it".

Awesome... Half the country disagrees with me? OK man... evidence. While you are polishing up on your debating techniques, and trying to get the rust off of the state machinery... the rest of 'the country' is digging a little deeper into Bush's modus opperandi...

Soon, the 'half that disagrees with me' will be MINE, ALL MINE!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!

Ahem... sorry 'bout that... How's about's we just retire Bush in '04.
Whatdya think... High bias, or 'snow' tred? ;^)
ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Strick
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 08:38 PM

"Now, before I get into the pot-kettle-black thing, could you please present some evidence for that odd statement?"

Nothing I've seen on the web (I haven't looked, though). Reports on NPR that Clarke proposed multiple attacks on Afghanistan and Al Qaeda, which both Clinton and Bush both rejected in favor of diplomatic means. You're right, war may be to strong a word. Pre-emtive attack might be a better word.

Thomas, if we had kept it funny, I wouldn't have made such a fool out of myself. Thanks. You can make fun of me any time.

Is anyone polling on exactly what I said? Doubt it, but here are the results of the lastest Newsweek poll:

Poll: Bush and Kerry Neck and Neck

The voter's poll is a statiscial deadheat and Bush stil leads with people on terrorism and Iraq by what could be called a wide margin:

"Voters are far more likely to trust Bush than Kerry on these issues(terrorism and Iraq - sls). On terrorism, 56 percent of all voters would prefer the leadership of the incumbent president, 33 percent would prefer to see Kerry at the helm. On Iraq, Bush beats Kerry 53 percent to 38 percent."

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:17 AM

Which is why Bush is working so damn hard to keep all his Iraq lies buried, and why his apologists are working so hard to make his intentional misleads "technically true". If he loses people's confidence on Iraq and terror, he's f'in toast (what's he gonna run on - the economy? jobs? education? the environment? nope, the pony is losing his single trick)

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 09:00 AM

If?

Why would we place confidence on a unilateral war waged for falsified reasons?
With no responsible planning for afterwards? With inadequate human intel on the ground? Confidence? It is a farce among wars, a slapdash amateur war, a juvenile war.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 12:19 PM

Speaking of Rummy, has anyone seen this one yet, Thanks For the Memories

(It has Rummy shaking hands with Saddam. My apologies if this has been posted before.)

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 04:24 PM

Don't apologize, this should be posted everywhere multiple times. Appalling.

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: Amos
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 04:41 PM

That's a hell of a slide show.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Rummy caught on video
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:38 PM

thanks CarolC,
that would be funny if it wasnt sad.