BS: what's the difference between...?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: MMario
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 03:58 PM

Benjamin:

yes. - there is a pronounced differnce in taste and texture.

and yes. but it's much harder.

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: GUEST,Ickle Dorrit
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 04:23 PM

ok -one for the officianado's of british cooking -what's the difference between cottage pie and shepherds pie?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 04:27 PM

Is one made with shepherds and the other with cottages?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Bert
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 04:37 PM

Well, there really is no difference and the terms are used interchangably. However, you will find people who will swear that Shepherds pie is made from lamb and Cottage pie is made from other meats. And you will find others who claim that Shepherds pie is made of mince meat(ground beef) and Cottage pie is made from cut up pieces of leftovers.

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: sophocleese
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 04:39 PM

So the shepherds really don't come into it then?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Greyeyes
Date: 11 Jan 01 - 05:20 PM

According to my Mrs Beaton, Shepherds pie should properly be made with cold, left-over mutton. Constance Spry has the following to say on the subject of proper cottage pie:

"It is only a modern practice to use cold cooked meat for cottage pie; in days gone by fresh meat was used, finely minced by hand, added to a rich gravy with onions in it, surmounted by a fine mound of the lightest puree of potatoes containing butter and milk, dotted over with butter and crisply browned.

"Now, more commonly, this dish is a rechauffe; even so it need not be a Cinderella among dishes provided it is properly made, well seasoned and flavoured and covered with a really good puree of potatoes properly browned at the last. Unfortunately the potatoes are often too casually prepared and are neither light enough nor sufficiently seasoned or browned."

I have never heard that the ingredients of the two pies are interchangeable.

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Bert
Date: 12 Jan 01 - 01:59 PM

See & Saw.

And why does Digitrad use "Did you ever see" instead of "Did you ever saw" in Cosher Bailey's Engine?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jan 01 - 03:42 PM

Or as Dylan once wrote sarcastically "and I seen...or rather, I have saw", regarding promises made by reporters that he would see what would happen if he gave them weird and silly answers to their stupid and predictable questions...they would print a rumour story to cause him trouble and embarrassment.

In one short sentence Bob lampoons not only said reporters, but also all pedants who have ever complained about his frequent usage of colloquial and technically incorrect grammar in his song lyrics...which was not through ignorance, but by choice.

Oddly enough, Bob usually sings "there is no place I'm going to" in Tambourine Man, which is impeccably correct English, but I've heard innumerable renditions of the song by various folkies who usually sing "there ain't no place I'm going to". I wonder why? They must have just been sure that Bob would do it that way, I guess...

BTW, Spaw's original diagram looked like this:

Diagram A --- O
Diagram B --- O

I forgot to put in the "break" commands before, so it didn't come out right. See? Little Orphan Annie's eyes...for sure, eh?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Penny S.
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 06:00 AM

Can't smell - anosmic. No common word, apparently.

I was taught that cottage pie had the potato in slices to look like a roof - and our shepherds pie was Tuesday. After roast on Sunday, cold on Monday. When we became better off, Mum switched to fresh mince. These are folk dishes, and subject to folk process. It is what is done in your family. In the supermarkets, shepherds is lamb, and cottage is beef. There is now a further variation - Cumberland pie, which is beef except when it is a chicken or salmon Cumberland. Anyone know the definition of this?

Penny

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 06:24 AM

The version of Cosher Bailey's Engine I know has the chorus 'Was you ever see?'...

English like what she is spoke!

So why do we say we're all at sixes and sevens? What's the difference or significance?

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 12:00 PM

Les B:

Without a sense of smell? Anosmic.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 12:17 PM

Okay...

What's the difference between thread creep and Spaw?

- LH

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: GUEST,bert
Date: 13 Jan 01 - 11:40 PM

Well the whole purpose of "Cosher Bailey's Engine" and it's kin "There's a little pub in Wales" - is that it is (or maybe was) a popular English belief that the Welsh people used the saying "Did you ever saw" (spoken of course with a fake Welsh accent with a great deal of emphasis on the "saw". And the English were somewhat taking the piss out of the Welsh in the song. That's why it rhymes with 'before'.

Due to either political correctness, or plain ignorance, it has been reduced to "Did you ever see" in the DT.

bert.

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Tom D.
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 01:34 AM

What's the difference between a banjo player (or, substitute the player of your favorite instrument)and a 12 inch pizza pie?

Answer: The pizza pie can feed a family of four.

Subject: RE: BS - what's the difference between.....
From: Extra Stout
Date: 14 Jan 01 - 02:04 AM

Hey, Little Hawk, the "fascinating incident" you refer to happened to Captain Lord Cochrane, as did most of O'Brian's first Jack Aubrey book. May I recommend Cochrane's "Autobiography Of A Seaman"? Also, "The Adventures Of John Wetherell" edited by C.S. Forester(of Horatio Hornblower and The African Queen) details the enlisted prisoner's experience in France, and is great background for anyone reading anything dealing with the Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. Both of these books are in print. I bought them both recently, but can't lay hands on them to cite publishers. Found 'em both at Barnes and Noble,if that helps.