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Subject: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:40 AM Even as I write it, this sounds bizarre, but I'll try... I'm doing a newspaper feature on management training games, and I find many references to inspiration from the Seattle Fish Market, where the fish-sellers have apparently created a remarkable atmosphere of customer-service by various tactics which include throwing fish around. These fish-sellers have now diversified into becoming management trainers showing other companies how to make mundane jobs fun. (I told you it sounded bizarre!) Now, I've located their website, but what I'm asking is this - has anyone out there seen this in action, and can anyone give me an eye-witness account? It's Saturday morning, and I've got to write this over the weekend, so any help appreciated, either by thread or PM. And now I re-read it, it sounds even stranger... - Ian B
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Dec 01 - 06:02 AM Well, I used to live in Seattle, and I know there's one fish stand at the Pike Place Market where the guys did throw fish around (from one worker to another, not at the customers!) and generally clown around and have fun while they work. I've seen them on feature TV shows, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've made a career out of it. I'm sure some of the 'Catters who still live in Seattle (mousethief, Don Firth, etc.) can give you more up-to-date info. But yes, I've seen it. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: artbrooks Date: 29 Dec 01 - 07:07 AM Well, they were certainly doing it when I lived in Seattle in the mid to late-1970s, but I'd also have to defer to current Seattle residents for more recent information. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 08:11 AM Oh, I didn't know the Thief of Mice was from Seattle. I'll e-mail him... many thanks. - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 29 Dec 01 - 08:20 AM Sure, they do it every day. it's a real tourist thing. And they've got it down to quite a science. And, these are not gentle, five feet tosses. Those salmon are big and they sail 20 or more feet. What do you want to know about it? CHEERS, Bob, in Everett. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: John P Date: 29 Dec 01 - 09:37 AM Yeah, they shout and laugh and throw fish around. It's an act to attract customers. They look like they're having fun. That just about describes it all. I don't think I would take a management seminar from them, and I've been in management all my life and have taken many seminars. But then I've never had much problem instilling a sense of fun in the workplace. John Peekstok |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Hollowfox Date: 29 Dec 01 - 09:51 AM My father told me about it many years ago, before Microsoft was a big company. (How's that for a folkloric answer?) He said the octopus looked like a flying stomach. I say a piece on CBS Sunday Morning (news program) about them, including their management seminars. I don't know if you'd be able to get anything from the CBS website, as the show was more than a year ago, but it's worth a try. I got the impression that the workers do enjoy themselves, that it's not just an act for the gringo turistas. You might want to look into the management philosophy of Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream at http://www.benjerry.com. since the company was bought out a couple of years ago, I don't know if it still holds, but this company used to be managed a similar way. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:14 AM John is excatly right. They laugh and have fun, shout and yell, but above all, they get the attention of the tourists. It's also become quite an institution in Seattle. For example, during every major election, no self respecting polition (is that an oxymoron?) would dare miss an opportunity to be filmed for tv catching one of the salmon.CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Dec 01 - 11:35 AM Makes me wonder if Bill Gates issues a carp to all of his employees........... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Bill D Date: 29 Dec 01 - 11:55 AM Yup...I saw it last July..sort of fun for a few minutes. There are 14 other fish sellers near there where you can get just as good fish, but this place has the gimmick! (It also can totally block the area around them during high-traffic days...I'll bet their neighbors wish they were next to a yarn shop!) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 29 Dec 01 - 12:01 PM I'm sure you're right Bill! Thowing hanks of yarn probably wouldn't have the same impact! It could be colorful tho!.Bob |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 29 Dec 01 - 12:12 PM Deckman said: "no self respecting polition (is that an oxymoron?) No, the technical term for it is "misspelling". ;-) Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Amos Date: 29 Dec 01 - 12:48 PM Dave, you do have a way with words, don'tcha? If Gates was sending carps to all of the Softies, it would probably be complaining about the lack of sole at Microsoft. He's not known for floundering around, in spite of his inflated sheepshead. A |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:09 PM I can't really remember if "Gooey Ducks" were also included in this aerial merchandising. What I witnessed back in the early 1990's was certainly impressive, not something I would ever carp about.;~) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Don Firth Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:16 PM Can't help on this one. I've seen fish-tossing on TV a number of times, but I've never actually seen it done in the flesh. Recently, I don't get down to the Pike Place Market all that often, so you probably know as much about it as I do. In any film set in Seattle (i.g., Sleepless in Seatttle or the TV show Frasier) the first thing they show is the Space Needle, and the second is the sign over the Pike Place Market where the salmon-tossing takes place. I can see the Space Needle out my front window, but I've never actually been up in the thing! I think what confused Bob's spelling of "politician" is that subconsciously he equated it with the word "pollution." Perfectly understandable. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: SINSULL Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:32 PM My son and I visited Seattle a few years ago and had a lot of fun at the Pike Place fish market. Since then I have seen them on commercials and a number of films on Seattle. Our experience: Charley was too modest to describe a gooey duck. In the east they are called "piss clams" because they look like little penises. Seattle's are the mothers of all piss clams. Huge, black and phallic. One of the clerks at Pike Place came up behind me with one, rested it on my shoulder and exclaimed "See lady! There is a god". I blushed (but agreed) and the crowd laughed. My son nearly died of embarrassment. The same clerk screamed "Duck!" and a huge fish sailed over my head nearly clobbering me. I must have looked ike the perfect mark. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:34 PM I hesitate to ask, Charley, I really do - but what's a Gooey Duck? (I have a horrible feeling I'm letting myself in for something...) - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 01:37 PM Ah, Sinsull's posting came in at exactly the same time.... I knew I shouldn't have asked! Many thanks, folks. Much appreciated. - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Don Firth Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:01 PM But you just had to ask, didn't you! Check here 1, here 2, and here 3. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 02:08 PM Don, this story I've got to write has suddenly veered off into a whole new direction!!! - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Dec 01 - 03:09 PM 'Spaw, I have it on good authority that on the first day of work, every new Micro$oft employee is issued an identification carp. They use the unique pattern of iridescent scales so it can't be forged. If you suspect a fake ID carp, (such as when the Micro$oft man comes to your house to make sure all your major appliances are using the correct operating system), you're supposed to go to http://www.microsoft.com/fraudbust/01xp4u/gefiltefish/ to report it. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 29 Dec 01 - 03:59 PM Geoducks ... truly a Northwest fenomena! I grew up on the Northwest beaches. As the late and great Ivar Haglund used to say: "when the tide is out ... the table is set!" I was digging goeducks as soon as I could toddle. And my Mother could cook goeducks in ways you couldn't believe. We'd lug them home, some were so huge we had to get the nehbors team and wagon to carry them from the house. Dad had to go back to the beack with a bulldozer to fill in the holes after we'd dug them! Mom would grind the necks for gallons of wonderful chowder. Mt task was to beat the "digger" untill it was tender ... this took several days. After the body meat was fillted, Mom rolled it in sugar, breadcrumbs, egg batter and set it to cooking. Her Goeduck dinners were so populiar that the local fire dept. used to set arson fires just so they could stop by and see if we were alright ... Mom usually had places already set at the table for them. Yeeh! ... Goeducks, how I miss them. In fact, if I could have one right now, I'd even trade my favorite spelling dictionary for it! CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: GUEST,Rosebrook Date: 29 Dec 01 - 04:23 PM For the scoop on the fish market, check out: http://www.pikeplacefish.com/intro.html Where I work as an employment training workshop instructor, we show their video Fish! during our Customer Service workshop. The video explains their "fish philosophy" and it's a hoot! So simple, but what an impact it makes. Rose |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Charley Noble Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:29 PM In the interests of further hijacking this thread, there's that fine old "geoduck" song which parodies "Pick a Bail of Cotton" which someone should paste in or provide a link to. I'm too lazy, but not lazy enough to keep from stirring the pot. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Cappuccino Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:31 PM Yes Rose, this is what I'm after - I've found the website, but please, what can you tell me about the video? Thanks - Ian B |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Don Firth Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:39 PM Impact, you say? LOOKOUT!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Dec 01 - 05:54 PM Here's THE GOOEY DUCK SONG, from the Digital Tradition. You can find the dots (tadpoles, notes, notation) on page 66 of Linda Allen's book Washington Songs and Lore, published by Melior Publications. (Not to be at all confused with my "Apple Maggot Quarantine Round", which is on page 64.) Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Dec 01 - 06:00 PM Awfergawdsake..........As someone with a past in sales training and motivation, reading their "Philosophy" is like a blast from the past. I wish I had a dime for every successful person or business who decided to "take their ideas on the road" and came up with one of these wackp philosophies that they think will work for everyone! I'm sure these guys are great and all and they have a super business, but when you start cranking out crap like: At World Famous Pike Place Fish, we stand for the possibility of World Peace and Prosperity for all people. We believe that it's possible for a person to impact the way other people experience life. Through our work, we can improve the quality of life for others. We are committed to this belief. It's what we do..........Well, you just got to know they are too full of shit for anyone else's good. I love it....A management and sales philosophy based around a Monty Python sketch.......Worked for John Cleese too, so why not? (I have about 693 reasons....don't ask) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 29 Dec 01 - 09:41 PM Aw, c'mon, 'Spaw, your curmudgeonicity (osity?) is getting the better of you. What's wrong with saying "Through our work, we can improve the quality of life for others"? Isn't that true for you? (I mean the instruments, not the flatulence.) Aloha, Mark (Of course, they're still full of shit.) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:04 PM I dunno' Doc.....It's was maybe the mood I was in or something. But really, everybody and their grandmother was cranking out philosophies regarding customer satisfaction and the like as part of sales training and though I may be a believer in pleasing people and all, just because a guy sold the crap out of pots and pans (ala Zig Ziglar) didn't mean he had the answer for everyone to pattern their life after. I've always tended to look at these things from a distance after seeing so many people fail at trying to do things that aren't "them" at all. So I guess it's a habit to be cynical when I step back and say, "Now what do they base this on?" In this case, putting on a good show by flinging fish all over to hell and begone. (Begone is located about 52 miles out of Seattle I think) That little blurb there also reminded me of a Miss America speech........I mean really........Whatever, I wish them well and continued success! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: GUEST Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:05 PM Hmmmm...& here I was thinking that Bill Gates didnt give a carp about his employess...or his customers for that matter. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:18 PM Hey Catspaw ... you are wrong! "BEGONE" is exactly 23.5 miles North of Seattle, at my front door! CHEERS, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:20 PM Aw nuts....Thanks Bob.........Had the map upside down! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: GUEST,Cyberserf Date: 29 Dec 01 - 10:30 PM If I stand up in this sea of cubicles, I can see several incarnations of the fish theme. The motivational video is shown to all newbies here and occasionally you can see plastic fish sailing over the dividers. In-house, it's called simply The fish video & it appears vintage late 90s.
Thanking 'catters that this forum exists ... |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Haruo Date: 30 Dec 01 - 12:51 AM I don't think I've ever seen them (the fishmongers at the Market) throw either a geoduck (note: "geoduck" is the correct spelling; "gooey duck" is the customary pronunciation, though etymologically it is closer to "gwee" than to "gooey", being from the Lushootseed gwídeq [the e should be rotated 180°, i.e. a schwa], Lushootseed being the anglicized indigenous name of the language(s) of Puget Sound, from the Skagit down to Squaxin Island.) or an octopus. Mostly it's more the salmon type of fish they pitch at one another. FWIW, the geoduck also makes a cameo appearance in Ode to Puget Sound. Liland |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 30 Dec 01 - 01:41 AM I wonder if those guys throwing fish at Pike Place Market had any idea those fish would one day become a cultural icon in the motivational seminar business, with little plastic fish-clones sailing over cubicle walls! Actually, I'm waiting for the day when the Pike Place Fish Market moves its executive offices across Lake Washington to a high-rise tower in Bellevue, or Redmond...! Of course, maybe by then they'll be able to commute via Bill Gates' new Carpal Tunnel. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Dec 01 - 02:14 AM Liland, I think they throw other fish instead of geoduks because they find it painful to rotate their e's. Gawd knows I do. And if you can't rotate your e, then you simply take all the fun out of it. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Don Firth Date: 30 Dec 01 - 01:02 PM Ever try to throw an octopus? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Dec 01 - 01:09 PM No Don I haven't because I get a terrible pain when I try to rotate my e's. BTW Liland, I'm not making fun of you, but making fun of my own ignorance because most of the time, I don't have a clue what the hell it is you're talking about! Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 01 - 01:41 PM why catspaw...it is as clear as...ummmm....well, almost as clear as Kiekegaard...read here about the schwa (go on...take several minutes) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Charley Noble Date: 30 Dec 01 - 02:09 PM BG |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Dec 01 - 03:39 PM geeziz.......Okay Bill......Did you actually read that? I did. If it had been written in sanskrit, I would have been able to decipher exactly the same amount of information as I did just now. I started getting lost in the intro and by the second paragraph I was sure the whole thing was a put on. Of course it isn't, but can you actually see how it differs in any way from this: As y'all seem to be having a problem in your time conversions, allow me to step in and give you an easy conversion method. Your first problem is that you are operating on the "Grenwich MEAN Time" standard which is often just as mean as it's name indicates. So let's swap to the more user friendly "Icelandic Kinder Gentler Time" standard to do our conversion tables. This also does away with the silly concept of the International Date Line (not the 900 one) which foists upon us the ludicrous idea that, though it is tomorrow there, it is yesterday here...which in point of all evidence is patently untrue, as it is today everywhere. Now we can move along to our formula at a more logical and simpler pace. Take the current surface area of Iceland and subtract the linear distance between there and Pago Pago. Divide this by the square root of Mudcatter Joe Offer. (I use Joe here as this will help him in his conquests with the opposite sex. Since very few males have a square root, his demand should be on the rise...so to speak. I have no "personal" knowledge of Joe's current situation but I'm inclined to believe he may be in need of a little help as I overheard a recent female companion describe Joe's equipment as a "melting fudgcicle, flanked by two jelly beans.") In any case, take this total and multiply it by the number of clocks in your home, less the number of dead wristwatches in your upper right hand dresser drawer. Add the difference total (in minutes) of the aforementioned clocks and divide by the average versus the time on your current wristwatch. You can now differentiate under the equal sign to calculate the value of X, that being the time where you live. Don't forget to use the value of pi as a constant...and since the value of pie at diners between Toronto and Buffalo is $1.75 (US), use that (1.75) instead of the more traditional 3.14159 figure. Putting it all together you can now readily see that when it is 10:56 AM, Sunday, December 30, 2001 in Otswego, it's 2:48 P.M.,October 18, 1893 in Waycross, Georgia. Of course it's always that time in Waycross so don't be confused. The only difference I can see is that the schwa info makes even LESS sense and is even more incomprehensible! Liland, you have my sincerest admiration if you are really into that whole schtick. I will still be making fun of it, just be aware that I do admire a mind that can grasp such things and even more amazed that anyone actually wants to!!!! Spaw
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Mark Cohen Date: 30 Dec 01 - 03:44 PM "This in turn means that it is almost impossible to say whether we see deletion or epenthesis at work in a given case: schwa is deleted wherever it is not necessary because of *Schwa and inserted wherever it is necessary because of high-ranking Well-formedness." Oh, really? And this guy calls himself a phonologist? Gimme a break! Aloha, Mark (nice one, Bill!) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 01 - 03:46 PM how did YOU know I keep the dead wristwatches in my upper right-hand dresser drawer?....perhaps there is a cultural trend here that would be a thesis project! (and no, I did NOT read it all...but WAY too much!) |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Date: 30 Dec 01 - 05:17 PM PANOPEA ABRUPTA (aka gooeyduck) is becoming hard to find in many of its former locations. It was a thrill for children to spot a likely bubble and beat the gooeyduck's excavation prowess. The locals blame its scarcity on the influx of Asian immigrants, but I am sure that tourists are also to blame. |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Dec 01 - 08:36 PM Liland, . . . (note: "geoduck" is the correct spelling; "gooey duck" is the customary pronunciation, though etymologically it is closer to "gwee" than to "gooey", being from the Lushootseed gwídeq [the e should be rotated 180°, i.e. a schwa], Lushootseed being the anglicized indigenous name of the language(s) of Puget Sound, from the Skagit down to Squaxin Island). Thank you for taking the time to add this information to the list. It's good to see that indigenous words and names are used (even if spelling tends to defy colonizers). I poked around in MS Word and in the HTML book and was unable to find a way to reverse that e. The heuristics of this thread are a real treat! Gotta throw something into the conversation, since the piscatorial puns have all been taken. Though with this segue to Ling-uistics* I should be able to come up with something. (*The "cod" is silent). I've seen the fish thrown in the market, and I've seen clams "flying" all up and down Puget Sound at low tide. The seagulls pick them up off the sand and fly over rocks to drop and crack them open. I used to see crows mimic the gulls up at English Camp on San Juan Island--and as smart as they are, their accuracy is not that of the gulls. It was always interesting at low tide on foggy days out at the camp to hear the intermittent crack! of the hits and splat! of the misses on the mud. You couldn't see much, and the fog intensified the sounds. It's the stuff of myth-making. Maggie |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Deckman Date: 30 Dec 01 - 09:05 PM Hi Maggie ... thanks for the posting and Merry New Year to you! For some time now I've been thinking about starting a thread about folksongs unique to the Pacific Northwest. Seems like this might be a good time to slide one in ... your Dad loved this song. I learned this song from John Ashford, back in the 50's. His Father (Paul?) was a ballad collector of some note, and he collected this song locally. I've never seen it in print, until I contributed it to Linda Allens wonderful book. Here's the ballad, sung to the tune of "Little old Sod Chantey On The Claim." ,br>I've been eating fish exclusively Since living living on my claim And such vittals ain't the kind I like the best For down in my insides, I can feel the rising tide In my little old log cabin on the claim CHO Oh, the door is made of driftwood The windows have no glass The board roof lets the howling blizzard in Hark I hear the GOEDUCK, as he nestles in the muck In my little old log cabin on the claim John, if your a mudcatter, how about jumping in here and adding stuff. CHEERS, Bob(deckman)Nelson |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Haruo Date: 31 Dec 01 - 02:02 AM I reciprocate, Catspaw49! I mean, you've got some verbal skills I am lacking in and yet admire. By all means keep ribbing me! Bill D, thanks for the "Everything you never wanted to know about *Schwas [and e-schwas, r-schwas and s-schwas]" article. It was a treat indeed. Some of it reminded me of a textbook in my Sociology of Deviant Behavior class at Yale (this would have been the '72-'73 school year), which actually had the following entry in its glossary: Shortly thereafter I drank myself out of the place. Dicho's correct, geoducks are increasingly scarce in many places, with in all probability poaching (not just by immigrants and turistas, but for illegal export to non-emigrants who spend money they could use on travel in the purchase of exotic foods), and perhaps good old Global Warming and Pollution and whatnot (as in "Why are the orcas having such a tough time having babies?") to blame. And geoducks take years to reach their full growth; some are, I am told by people I trust, known to have been over a century old when harvested. (I think clamshells can be "read" sort of like tree rings, but I'm not clear on the details.) Thanks for the appreciation Maggie. I am not sure why I can't figure out how to do a schwa. It seems silly to be able to use characters like ā, Ĥ and ŵ, not to mention Кбк стрбшно! and yet be unable to use a simple, Websterlike "schwa". It's absolutely critical for writing Lushootseed (although, since there is no "e" in Lushootseed, you can substitute "e" for "schwa" and be understood, it just looks like an awful visual foreign accent, if you get my drift; just as you can use a "?" or a "7" in place of the glottal stop, but it's so ugly...) Incidentally, my main Lushootseed page has an attempt at a MIDI of the Samish Welcome Song on it; if any of you are familiar with that song, suggestions on improving the MIDI would be welcome. Or MIDIs of actual Lushootseed tunes (Samish is to Lushootseed as Luxembourgeois is to Belgian). Liland |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: Haruo Date: 31 Dec 01 - 02:06 AM Yikes! Sorry 'bout that! Here's the corrected version:
I reciprocate, Catspaw49! I mean, you've got some verbal skills I am lacking in and yet admire. By all means keep ribbing me! Shortly thereafter I drank myself out of the place. Dicho's correct, geoducks are increasingly scarce in many places, with in all probability poaching (not just by immigrants and turistas, but for illegal export to non-emigrants who spend money they could use on travel in the purchase of exotic foods), and perhaps good old Global Warming and Pollution and whatnot (as in "Why are the orcas having such a tough time having babies?") to blame. And geoducks take years to reach their full growth; some are, I am told by people I trust, known to have been over a century old when harvested. (I think clamshells can be "read" sort of like tree rings, but I'm not clear on the details.) Thanks for the appreciation Maggie. I am not sure why I can't figure out how to do a schwa. It seems silly to be able to use characters like ā, Ĥ and ŵ, not to mention Как страшно! and yet be unable to use a simple, Websterlike "schwa". It's absolutely critical for writing Lushootseed (although, since there is no "e" in Lushootseed, you can substitute "e" for "schwa" and be understood, it just looks like an awful visual foreign accent, if you get my drift; just as you can use a "?" or a "7" in place of the glottal stop, but it's so ugly...) Incidentally, my main Lushootseed page has an attempt at a MIDI of the Samish Welcome Song on it; if any of you are familiar with that song, suggestions on improving the MIDI would be welcome. Or MIDIs of actual Lushootseed tunes (Samish is to Lushootseed as Luxembourgeois is to Belgian). Liland |
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Subject: RE: Help: Seattle Fish Market From: GUEST,G_Smolt Date: 31 Dec 01 - 06:43 AM /LURK OFF Normally, I come to mudcat to lurk about and giggle into my latenight beer as I read good stuff from the folk music world. I feel that this is a subject I must say something about. As a part of the seafood industry, this is a subject I am torn on. I think that anything a person can do to get people interested in eating more fish is a good thing. However, the fishermen that spent a good deal of time and effort to assure the high quality of their catch are being mocked by these "flying fish" at Pike Place Fish Market. Each time one of these fish gets thrown, it gets bruised, at best. At worst, the spine breaks, seeping blood and bitter fluid into the meat. This damage is not immediately evident, as the fish is whole, skin-on most of the time, but when the customer gets home and skins/fillets the fish, it is noticeable. At the risk of making this into a rant, I ask you this: when, if ever, has the local butcher heaved a beef tenderloin to a customer? When has a greengrocer casually slung a bag of tomatoes to a checkout clerk a good 20 feet distant? G_Smolt /LURK ON |
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