BS: Damian Green

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 01:17 PM

Yeah - but it's nice to see the fear in their eyes up close
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 01:17 PM

Jim,
I've just criticised Israel's anti BDS interference in British politics

There is no BDS in British politics. No party supports it.
You people are an unrepresentative fringe. It is a travesty that you dominate this forum.

"Labour's "entire" NEC, which includes Corbyn, was appalled by the incidents of Labour anti-Semitism, so why aren't you people?"
We are

Previously you have all denied there was any!
Which example appals you?
Shah's?
Livingstone's?
Do you all agree on this?

There are almost certainly anti semites in the Labour Party

Which ones have appalled you?

If you are closer to Labour's core policy than I am,

I am. Like Corbyn and the NEC I am appalled by incidents of Labour anti-Semitism. You people deny it all.
Like Labour I do not support BDS and regard it as bigotry.

Keith has gone silent but will pretend that an embarrassing question hasn't been asked

I must have missed it. Remind me please. I promise to answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 01:20 PM

Here I am Jim.
Come and devour me with you "embarrassing question."

You are funny PFR.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 01:38 PM

Keith - well.. if you don't laugh...

..and i most respect folk who can laugh at themselves...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 02:31 PM

Right, you bastards. This is my bloody thread and I told youse not to rise to Keith's bait. Christ almighty knows why I mentioned it meself, but ONE MORE bloody antisemitism post and I'm getting the mods to shut this down*. If you want to discuss antisemitism start your own bloody thread (and see how long it lasts). Knock it off, y'all!

*Naturally, I'll have to ask nicely...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 06:23 PM

Ahem. Sorry about that, but, well, you know...

I notice that the Mail On Sunday has been crudely editing texts twixt Green and Maltby in Green's favour. She's no fool. Another very bad move. These bubble politicos really do think they're invulnerable...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:09 AM

"Here I am Jim."
Come and devour me with you "embarrassing question.""
Never fails Keith - if you find a question too difficult, pretend one hasn't been asked
Hope somebody gave you some self-respect for Christmas - you seem to have none otherwise
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:34 AM

"There is no BDS in British politics."
Don't be more stupid than you ever are
BDS is a protest movement, non political humanists and politicians of all parties support it whatever stance their leaders take
Corbyin's position is laid out in the link you are spinelessly avoiding.
"Previously you have all denied there was any!"
I have never denied there was any antisemitism in the Labour Party or anywhere else - I said the antisemitic campaign you and Bobad have ridden over the years bears no relation to the age-old bigotry that had permeated this planet for millenia
It is people like you who are part of that - people who use the Jews as an excuse to carry out or defend political excesses - particularly despicable in the way it is being used by the present Friends of Donald Trump in Israel.
That was never a major problem within the Labour Party as you fanatically sought to prove it was
The protests against ethinc leansing and mass murder that are taking place in the Middle East were defended by the perpetrators and defenders by them and oyu hiding by the Jewish People and claiming that criticism of those mass killings and land seziure was "antisemitic" - an act of anitsemitism by definition
A few Labour members were unwise enough to take Israel's word for it and mistakenly swallow Israel's line that what was happening in Gaza was "Jewish", but once it was pointed out that it was simply right wing terrorism, they withdrew from that position and apologised
Since The Israeli Justice minister openly declared that to criticise Israel was @antisemitic' the Israeli regime became and openly declared state led by anti semites - by definition.
In the last week or so, its support for and adulation of Trump has placed that regime among the world's most extreme right wing states (if its actions hadn't put it there already that is)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:52 AM

Steve,
Mail On Sunday has been crudely editing texts twixt Green and Maltby in Green's favour.

How do you know this?
They deny it and it will be easy to prove.

Jim,
Never fails Keith - if you find a question too difficult, pretend one hasn't been asked

I do not. I assume I missed it. I am willing to answer. Just put it again and I will.

I have never denied there was any antisemitism in the Labour Party or anywhere else

You denied every incident of Labour anti-Semitism. Now you say you are appalled be recent incidents. Which ones appal you? Which do you still deny?

Corbyin's position (on BDS) is laid out in the link you are spinelessly avoiding.

I know what it is.
Guardian,
"Jeremy Corbyn would be happy to buy goods from Israel and does not support a blanket boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) policy"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-does-not-support-boycott-of-israel-bds-movement

No British party supports BDS.
Nor does any EU state or any democracy.
You people here are political extremists beyond the fringe of reasonable politics in what you believe.
It is a travesty that you dominate this forum when you are so divorced from the beliefs of real people.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 06:03 AM

Just put it again and I will."
Nope Keith - no intention of being part of your attention seeking obsessiveness any more
= you know what it is and you are stalling for time
It is why you hastily departed the scene and hoped it would be forgotten as you always do
Kindly get a life - for your own sake - you have now become a permanent spectre haunting this particular feast
Nobody here cares what you (don't) think any more
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 08:13 AM

Jim,
I do not know what question you are talking about, and I am sure no-one else does.
If you were serious you would just restate it.
I have promised to answer, but you are clearly afraid that.

You have ignored my question.
Here it is again,
"Now you say you are appalled by recent incidents of Labour anti-Semitism. Which ones appal you? Which do you still deny?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 08:33 AM

"I do not know what question you are talking about, and I am sure no-one else does"
You are either lying or very stupid Keith - pleaser do nort involve others in your lying stupidity
Try my question regarding the link "THEIR POLICY HERE"
"30 Dec 17 - 10:05 AM
I have answered your question - all incidents of antisemitism appall me - I don't believe there have been any major examples of antisemitism in the Labour Party recently and if there have they are virtually impossible to distinguish from your own antisemitism of regarding all criticism of Israel being an attack on the Jewish people
Of the two you mentioned - Livingston stated a historical fact known to Jews and non-jews alike - maybe not a tactfult time to do so, but that doesn't make him an antisemite
Naz Shah actually quoted respected American Jewish political scientist, Norman Finkelstein, when she suggested that Jews move to America - the maps that accompanied her suggestion were actually his.
It was a gaffe made when she was a young woman - she apologised and withdrew it - end of story until it was used by the anti-semitic anti-BDS crowd in their efforts to absolve Israel from its ongoing racist criminality
The real anti-semites here are those who accuse the Jewish People of being responsible for Israel's crimes by making criticism of those crimes "anti-semitic"
Count yourself firmly among that number
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 10:40 AM

Jim and Keith, you've done it again.