BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather

Subject: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 11:57 AM

I was just listening to Sian Ryan from Developing Dogs (near Ely) here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_cambridge who mentioned that in UK hot weather, dogs can suffer heatstroke in the boot section of an estate car, even though the AC is on because it does not reach the back of the car - not something that is widely known!!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 12:22 PM

Does in my car!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 12:33 PM

How do you know?

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 12:35 PM

On the rather complicated controller console my SUV has a "REAR" button that I touch when the dogs are in the car and they get a blast of cold. If there are humans in the middle (or far back third row) there are knobs they can turn to direct the air flow.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 12:37 PM

As a note - if the "boot section" is what we call a trunk (something I don't have in an SUV) I would never put an animal back there. Ever. Dark and noisy, not a place for any living thing to ride. Luggage yes, animals, no.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 01:04 PM

SRS, over here, the luggage section at the rear of an SUV or an estate-car is still referred to as the ‘Boot’. Hence Bonzo’s reference to the ‘boot section’.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 01:19 PM

The reason I made the point was that I have seen many people in the UK put their dogs in the boot/trunk of an estate or larger car, and they were surely unaware that AC would not reach. For the our recent holiday journeys our greyhound travelled on the first row of seats behind the driver's in the hired VW Touran and when stopped in traffic windows were opened, although it was only 20C.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 02:32 PM

I can completely flatten the third row of seats in my SUV so that area is in the cabin but is the space accessed by the back lift door. There have been occasions when I'm home in the garage unloading things and one of the dogs will hop up to look around, but when I have them going anywhere with me they're in the seat behind me. One of the dogs has her leash attached to the headrest so she doesn't join me in the front or bop around to the back. And if they're in there much I have a seat cover thing that fastens around the headrests front and back and it's like a hammock they ride on. That thing could block some of the air flow.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 02:35 PM

While we have been spared the high high temps of western U.S., a couple summers ago we had some exceptionally warm weather and Alaskans began to think about buying their first air conditioners ever. At the time we were walking with an elderly dog and I found a cooling jacket on the web. It strapped on like a harness after you drenched it in ice water. We think it worked for her. The owner also ran his air conditioner in the car whenever she was in it, whether with or without people.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 03:50 PM

'Our' village is popular with visitors, some just dog walking. (Village green and the River Tees.)
Into the boot of an estate of some sort I saw a couple trying to persuade a sadly overweight doggy up a ramp. I thought it needed a tail lift.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 05:24 PM

I thought it needed a tail lift.
Is that like a 'face lift' but for the other end? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 06:19 PM

The elderly dog we were walking was unable to jump into the SUV and indeed for the last year we had a ramp and a towel so she could get into vehicles with dignity. And we were by no means the only folks so doing. Now we have a puppy which thinks nothing of making the leap from pavement to car seat.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 06:25 PM

Tell me your village isn't Barnard Castle, JHW. I had to go to Specsavers yesterday (I'd stood on my reading glasses the day before). I managed to raise a big belly laugh when I told 'em I was late because I'd gone to Launceston from Bude via Barnard Castle...(they've probably heard 'em all...) In my botanical youth I spent many a grand day in upper Teesdale, over 45 years ago now, but I remember it all so well. One day we walked from Langdon Beck to Dufton via High Force, Caldron Snout, the Maize Beck and High Cup. We never stop talking about that day. Kirkcarrion, Low Force, the Widdybank Bull, the George and Dragon in Garrigill, spring gentians...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jul 21 - 05:47 AM

30c here today so no afternoon walk for our grey, better to wait until the evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Jul 21 - 07:38 AM

The forecast for the Backwoods has it still 25C at 21:00. No walkies for our boy today - just his cool-mat and lots of lying about. Same for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jul 21 - 09:45 AM

We have small area of woods 50 yards away - off there now!!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Jul 21 - 05:26 PM

Just got back from walking 18 week old lab, 79°F = 26°C. We did bring cool water with us for her to drink, and she did. She was tugging for the shady spots by the time we turned around. She was panting so hard even 15 minutes after we returned to the cool garage that I am concerned we overtaxed her. I think there are limits to which a young animal should be stressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 01:59 AM

I will walk our grey at 8am in the woods and postpone her afternoon walk until the evening today - we are expecting 30-31C.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 04:18 AM

Our BT suffers quite badly on hot days. We have 30C forecast today (that’s 86F for our ex-colonials still living in the 19th century). Mrs Backwoodsperson took him out for an hour and a quarter through our local woods at 6am, when it was 17C (63F), and that’s it for today. His cool-mat is already down for him by an open door on the north side of the house, his water-bowl is refreshed, and his cool-coat is ready to be deployed.

I saw a very good post on FarceBook yesterday, which said something along the lines of, “If it’s too hot for you to walk barefoot on pavements, whilst wearing a fur coat, it’s also too hot for your dog to do it”. Hear hear!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 05:19 AM

It isn't the air temperature to blame. Insolation when the sun is high in the sky can put more heat into dark surfaces than is simultaneously lost by radiation, so the surface heats up. Lighter coloured surfaces heat up much less than darker. Intermittent or continuous cloud or a breeze can be mitigating factors. A sunny sky and your shade thermometer can be a guide but there's a lot more involved!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 06:03 AM

I have wondered whether Black Labradogs suffer more in heat.
I'm in Middleton One Row but don't tell anyone. Dogs like being in the Tees.
Barnard Castle for eyetests is now the done thing. Probly has dogs in the River there too.
My garage door blistered time and again repainted Black despite galv primer etc. White, though glaring is surviving.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 06:31 PM

Yes, terriers with undercoats are not meant for such heat.
Better suited to the other extreme. Poor border terrier.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Jul 21 - 08:14 PM

I'm not looking for sympathy here, but we set a heat record yesterday when I posted above. Today is similar. This is nothing compared to what many of you are undergoing, but I walked the young black lab again today; I went easier on her, kept the pace slower and turned around sooner. She was warm enough to flounce down on the cool grass that was in shade several times. I also walked her earlier when there was more shade on our route. By the end of the walk I was sweating, which is something we don't do much in Alaska.

We are supposed to cool off over the next week, even get some precipitation, which we need.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jul 21 - 08:04 AM

I walked our grey for 10 minutes at 7:30 am today - then 22c, then home and she's been in front of the fan ever since. Dog walker cancelled - now 29c.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 05:42 AM

Several dog walker enterprises nearby. Vans (labelled dog walker) would be too hot full of doggies en route to walk.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 07:16 AM

Off on a tangent as usual but the mention of the George and Dragon at Garrigill sparked memories of climbing Cross Fell from there - Quite a trek. Returning to the George and Dragon for food and liquid refreshement I thought I had fell into a time warp. Flagged floors, polished wood everywhere, fire burning in the hearth and even a group of old shepherds in flat caps and tweed playing dominoes while their well behaved border collies (back on topic) watched lovingly from under seats.

The pub had a remarkable range of whiskeys which resulted in me missing out on a trip down some old mines the next day!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 06:08 AM

The G&D Garrigill was the same 3yrs ago.
Previous note this thread or some other about Pennine Way, Cauldron Snout, Gentians, High Cup Nick (a favourite place)
Cross Fell I've been to from the other side. (The PW though for me a day out) Wasps at the top. How could they know a picnic was coming.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 07:25 AM

When I typed "Caldron Snout" I hadn't thought I'd misspelled it. Most references spell it "Cauldron" I now see, though Britannica and my seventh series one-inch OS map have it as "Caldron." As ever, I think I'm right and that everyone else is wrong! ;-)

Whatever. Cow Green reservoir, which stopped the Upper Tees from flowing free forever, was constructed when I was a botany student at Imperial College. It was regarded as a tragedy and an outrage by anyone remotely interested in conservation, but we lost, as the judge at the appeal chose "people over wild flowers" (as he put it, I recall). The reservoir flooded large tracts of some of the rarest and most beautiful wildflower habitat in Britain, and its dam regulates the flow at Ca(u)ldron Snout and High Force, to compound the outrage.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 11:04 AM

Steve, you are NOT wrong until I think you're wrong. As for spelling, the fact that you care makes you right. My Mom used to correct my spelling in the letters I sent home. I rarely use splelcheck. But, when one reads the writing of our ancestors, both Colonial and Empire, one finds that they did not fuss at creatively sounding out the words to suit their purpose. And then you've got folks like Shakespeare who I believe invented whole words. The average American feels entitled (lazy) and so I find that sometimes splelcheck is enabled and active without my even asking it. Which is why when I was preparing a document using the term "cathodic protection" it came out "catholic protection". Since my working superior was capital 'C' Catholic I had to assure him that the error was strictly secular. But it made me careful with the autonomous nature of the coming digital world. Don't want our killer robots to go too far off topic, like I just did.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 06:09 AM

Didn't they have to build Cow Green to make the falls work, inc High Force, often relying on what they let out of the reservoir in a big pipe.
Looks good when overflowing down the slopy concrete walls and the wind catches it.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 06:48 PM

The falls looked great when nature allowed them to run free.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 03:20 PM

Another hazard for dogs here in Norfolk is that the hot weather has increased the growth of 'blue-green algae' on the Broads. It can kill dogs, and they should never enter the water at the moment. Trouble is, they get so hot on their walks they probably tear into the Broad unless on a lead.
(By the way, a 'Broad' here in Norfolk is not a type of lady, it is a lake formed from ancient peat extraction!)

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:19 PM

Reminder of our long RIP dog Micky who ran out onto a green lake one day. White and black sheepdog size fox terrierish. Survived but surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 04:38 PM

It was Jenny Greenteeth up north. She was out to get unsuspecting children who thought that a layer of duckweed on the canal was grass...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 06:55 AM

Don't remember taking our dog (RIP and the only one we had in Norfolk) to the broads, Sen. N Norfolk coast was the place for us and Misty loved the sea.

I think the best (but, on reflection, risky and I can't swim...) we did with her (purely as a one off and our only longer walk) was a walk from Cley to Blakeney and far enough on the sands to see the seals. Our timing was good and we kept a watch but the water comes in behind you quickly there.

More mundane but my favorite place was probably Trimmingham

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 07:56 AM

Ah Jon, this reminds me of a trip I organised decades ago, with my class of eight year-olds, to Holkham. I let them run mad on that huge beach (the sea was way, way out in the distance) while the coach driver and I had our sandwiches. Suddenly to my utter horror, the tide had turned and what seemed like a tsunami rolled up the beach, engulfing my pupils.
The driver and I had several terrified children hanging on to our clothes, and we swam/waded back to safety.
Never went there again!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 25 Jul 21 - 08:14 AM

Never been that way, Sen. I think some walks, like our Blakeney one, do need a checking of the tide tables to try to plan though.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:16 PM

OMG, Senoufou! That IS one for the memories.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Jul 21 - 05:48 AM

I let them run mad on that huge beach (the sea was way, way out in the distance) while the coach driver and I had our sandwiches. Suddenly to my utter horror, the tide had turned and what seemed like a tsunami rolled up the beach, engulfing my pupils.
The driver and I had several terrified children hanging on to our clothes, and we swam/waded back to safety.

Probably the tide had changed before you arrived. Contrary to the general impression, the tide does not ebb and flow in a smooth manner. It comes in at its fastest rate between 2 and 4 hours after turning. The details are Here

Not part of my general knowledge until a trip to the Maritime Museum in Jersey last week.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jul 21 - 07:31 AM

I don't remember the Jenny Greenteeth you mention, Steve, but just down the road from you in Swinton it was Jinny Greenteeth who lived down grids and sucked the marrow out of your bones

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jul 21 - 06:09 AM

Nearly everyone in our village has a dog. Most of them have at least two, many very large breeds. It's lovely to see them being walked down to the river or the woodland paths. I've noticed that their owners now carry a big water bottle and a plastic dish. Apparently the poor dogs get so hot they pant and have to lie down, so water is given.
How could anyone be so ignorant and cruel to leave a dog in a car in the heat? I reckon I'd smash the car window to save its life. The Police apparently accept this is necessary and do not prosecute.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: JHW
Date: 29 Jul 21 - 05:31 AM

Wide beaches with warm pools left behind are my childhood (visiting) memory of Norfolk. eg Mundesley.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jul 21 - 07:23 AM

We haven't been to the coast at all this year JHW. Our neighbours-with-children have, but told us the beaches were absolutely jam-packed with tourists and holiday-makers. We're being very careful not to expose ourselves to Covid at the moment, so haven't risked it. In spite of having two jabs each, we decided to 'play it safe' for now.
Most of our beaches here have rules about not allowing dogs on them. But dog-owners do let their pets run on the sands and splash in the sea etc (which I can understand I suppose) However, neighbours said there was dog mess all over the place, and their children accidentally walked in it! Yuk.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 02:28 AM

Those dog owners are disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 03:06 AM

”Those dog owners are disgusting.”

Seconded.

However, I’m often surprised by the ridicule I’m subjected to by passers-by when I’m picking up my dog’s poo. Cursed if you leave it, ridiculed if you pick it up - a ‘no-win’ situation. Still, at least my conscience is clear…

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 03:14 AM

Our village has a Facebook thingy all to itself, and on there are so many close-up photos of heaps of dog-poo on the pavements, with grumbly captions, it makes me smile. People should indeed pick it up, and it's so silly to ridicule a responsible dog-owner while he's doing just that!
My sister told me that Edinburgh has a new tall building called St James, (hotel, shops, flats etc I think) and the summit is finished off with what looks like an enormous pile of dog poo. She says it's like the Poo Emoji. I Googled this and she's right! People in Edinburgh are now asking for two giant eyes to be added, so that it becomes indeed a Poo Emoji!

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 05:49 PM

I’m often surprised by the ridicule I’m subjected to by passers-by when I’m picking up my dog’s poo.

They must be funny people in your part of Lincolnshire. In almost 40 years, I have never been ridiculed for picking up after any of my dogs.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 07:37 PM

Well I must say that I'm in awe of you guys who pick up your dog's shite (the on-street evidence here in Bude would suggest that you're in a minority). But I can't get my head around the fact that you're prepared to handle that still-warm, stinking mess through the ultra-thin plastic of a doggie-bag which then becomes a scrotum-like appurtenance that you either take home, deposit in an insanitary bin that is part-financed by us non-dog owners, or is left dangling on a bush when no-one's looking. I would never criticise you within earshot for picking up the ordure, but I reserve the right to question the mindset of anyone willing to cart a dangly bag of shit around for, well, who knows how long...

They say that golf is a good walk spoiled. Well a dangly quasi-scrotum of dogshit that I'd be obliged to lug around would easily have the same impact on me. Now who's looking, and where's the nearest bush...

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 03:59 AM

Doug, it’s mostly from school kids and young men driving by in their ancient Vauxhall Novas with dustbins for exhausts.

Steve, the differences between us and you are…

1) We aren’t cynophobic,
2) We aren’t pathologically squeamish, and
3) We’ve actually grown the fuck up.

You should try it, it’s very liberating.

Subject: RE: BS: Dogs in cars in hot weather
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 07:16 AM

You're confusing squeamish with aesthetically-refined. And there's no need to swear. You swear, I win.