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Origins: The Days of Forty Nine

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DAYS OF FORTY NINE
FOOLS OF FORTY NINE


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The Days of Forty-Nine [Text by Joaquin Miller, Tune by Leila France] (late 19th Century - from Singing Gold, the Sacramento Bee)
The Days of Forty-Nine [Charley Rhoades (Bensell)] (from Songs of the American West, Lingenfelter/Dwyer)
The Days of Forty-Nine [from the singing of "Yankee" John Galusha] (source: Traditional American Folk Songs from the Anne and Frank Warner Collection)
The Days of Forty-Nine (John Lomax) (from John Lomax, Cowboy Songs, 1916)
The Days of Forty-Nine (Lomax) (from Lomax & Lomax, Best-Loved American Folk Songs)


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Subject: ADD Version: The Days of Forty Nine (John Lomax)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jan 04 - 11:34 PM

OK, and here's yet another version. Most of these verses are posted above, but not in this order.

THE DAYS OF FORTY-NINE

We are gazing now on old Tom Moore,
A relic of bygone days;
'Tis a bummer, too, they call me now,
But what cares I for praise?
'It's oft, says I, for the days gone by,
It's oft do I repine
For the days of old when we dug out the gold
In those days of Forty-Nine.
For the days of old when we dug out the gold
In those days of Forty-Nine.



My comrades they all loved me well,
The jolly, saucy crew;
A few hard cases, I will admit,
Though they were brave and true.
Whatever the pinch, they ne'er would flinch;
They never would fret nor whine,
Like good old bricks they stood the kicks
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There's old "Aunt Jess," that hard old cuss,
Who never would repent;
He never missed a single meal,
Nor never paid a cent.
But old " Aunt Jess," like all the rest,
At death he did resign,
And in his bloom went up the flume
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There is Ragshag Jim, the roaring man,
Who could out-roar a buffalo, you bet,
He roared all day and he roared all night,
And I guess he is roaring yet.
One night Jim fell in a prospect hole,
— It was a roaring bad design,
— And in that hole Jim roared out his soul
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There is Wylie Bill, the funny man,
Who was full of funny tricks,
And when he was in a poker game
He was always hard as bricks.
He would ante you a stud, he would play you a draw,
He'd go you a hatful blind,
— In a struggle with death Bill lost his breath
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There was New York Jake, the butcher boy,
Who was fond of getting tight.
And every time he got on a spree
He was spoiling for a fight.
One night Jake rampaged against a knife
In the hands of old Bob Sine,
And over Jake they held a wake
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There was Monte Pete, I'll ne'er forget
The luck he always had,
He would deal for you both day and night
Or as long as he had a scad.
It was a pistol shot that lay Pete out,
It was his last resign,
And it caught Pete dead sure in the door
In the days of Forty-Nine.

Of all the comrades that I've had
There's none that's left to boast,
And I am left alone in my misery
Like some poor wandering ghost.
And as I pass from town to town,
They call me the rambling sign,
Since the days of old and the days of gold.
And the days of Forty-Nine.


Source: John A. Lomax, Cowboy Songs, 1916

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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 28 Jan 04 - 03:40 AM

Footnote: The 1910 version was reprinted without change in 1916. Lighter found that additions in 1916 were made at the end, starting at page 327, thus pagination of the older ones remained the same through the 1925 re-printing.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Karl
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 09:00 AM

Think that I remember Bob Dylan singing this on the ..? (I forget).. album. Jim Kweskin did it too on "Kweskin Live"?..? Don't have those pieces of vynil anymore. Alas


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: meself
Date: 26 Feb 12 - 10:45 AM

Yes, Dylan recorded it.

One of the persistent phrases that has persistently aroused my curiosity is "the travelling/roving/rambling sign" - would this have had some more specific meaning in the late 19th C., or would it have been as open to interpretation then as it is now (i.e., "sign" of what? the folly of youthful misadventure? the consequences of drinking and gambling? the awful truth that can't be revealed to the ears of youth?)


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 02:49 AM

Dylan did it on the Self Portrait album (1970). Lots of good songs on that album. Seems like the song is usually listed as "The Days of '49," and not often as The Days of Forty Nine. Try both spellings if you're searching Spotify - you'll find several nice recordings, and a number of songs you'd never expect to hear from Dylan - Dylan Does Rodgers & Hart, Lightfoot, and Paul Simon???.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 11:02 AM

As I understand it, a "traveling sign" was what was also called a "sandwich man": a menial hired to walk around wearing advertising placards front and back.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: meself
Date: 27 Feb 12 - 08:53 PM

It occurred to me that that could be the meaning - but you would think if it were going to be mentioned at all in that sense, that somewhere along the line some songster/poet/wag would have made a little more of it. And, to me, that meaning just seems somehow at odds with the general tenor of the song - although it is not totally illogical, either.

How do the rest of you interpret it - is old Tom Moore an unholy prophet, a walking object lesson, a sandwich man, or what?


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: meself
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 12:03 AM

Talk to me, people!


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 08:12 AM

He could be an object lesson.

The line may have been as obscure to most people in 1874 as it is today.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: RoyH (Burl)
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 09:59 AM

I don't know if Jerry Epstein has recorded this, but he should do. He sings it really well.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: meself
Date: 29 Feb 12 - 10:52 AM

"The line may have been as obscure to most people in 1874 as it is today."

Perhaps - but then I wonder why it would be so persistent, while so many other words and phrases in the lyrics change or are replaced ....


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Andrew Finch
Date: 04 May 12 - 08:57 AM

Very interesting discussions here! I have an original manuscript lyrics book from Helena Montana Territory 1873-74 era with some variant lyrics of this song, likey designed for the local audience. There are an amazing 12 verses, some with obscure lyrics - I wrote them as I deciphered them - some of the error could be mine, some in the spelling, etc. With more research, the date could probably be more accurately established but the manuscript ledger book was owned by one Mose Abraham, Helena City Montana, and he dated the front October 20, 1873. Some of the songs are "as performed by", including members of the Great Western Minstral Troupe, apparently led by Eugene Holman, Song and Dance Artist, Bajoist, etc. Enjoy!

Days of Fourtynine
1st
You see before you Old Tom Moor
A relic of by gone days
The people call me a bummer sure
But what care I for praise
When I think of the days that are passed and gone
It makes me grieve and pine
For the days of old the days of gold
The days of fourtynine
2nd
I had comrades then a savage set
They were rough I must confess
But brave and bold as true as steel
Like hunters from the West
But they like many an other fish
They have run out their line
But like good old briks they stord(?) the kicks
Of the days of fortynine
3rd
There was "Monte" Pete a clever chap
As ever had a dad
He'd deal from morning untill night
Or as long as he had a scad
One night a pistol "laid him out"
T'was his last "lay out" in fine
For it caught him sure right "bang" in the door
In the days of fourty nine.
4th
There was "New York" Jake the butcher boy
Who was always on a tight
Whenever Jake got on a spree
He was "spiling" for a fight
One night he ran a gainst a knife
In the hands of old Bob Kline
And over Jake we held a "wake"
In the days of Fourtynine.
5th
There was "Old Lame Jess" a hard old cuss
Who never would repent
Jess was never known to miss a meal
Nor never to pay a cent
But poor lame Jess like all the rest
To death he did incline
And in his bloom he "went up the flum"
In the days of fourtynine
6th
There was "Buffalo" Bill who could out roar
A Buffalo Bull "you bet"
He "roared" from morning untill night
He may be "roaring" yet
One day he fell in a prospect hole
Twas a "roaring" bad design
And in that hole he "roared" out his soul
In the days of fourtynine.
7th
Then there was Henry Plumer
A ruffin he was by trade
He went up to Montana
And thought his fortune was made
But quickly he "passed in his checks"
Like others of his kind
With a hempen rope about his throat
Like the days of Fortynine.
8th
There was Bill Luttle as good a boy
A ever drew a breath
He caught Banmonia one day
And struggled hard with death
Poor bill he now lies in his grave
Way over in white pine
He leaves many friends to mourn his death
Of the days of fourtynine
9th
There was "Farmer" Peele another sport
Who from California came
He delt faro and played "short card"
And many an other game.
But "Farmer" like many an other one
He had lived out his time
For "Sonny Bull" put out his light
Like the days of fortynine
10th
There was one I nearly had forgot
And that was Irish Tom
As brave a heart as e'er drew a steel
Or made an enemy run
His enemies said that he would hang
In his boots when he was dead
But he died one day in the month of may
On a downy Feather bed
11th
There was old bill stine a good old sport
A butcher he was by trade
He used to run "with der machine"
A gallant fire "blade"
He worked on a fire in Montana one day
Which over taxed his spins
Wid out stopping he laid down and died
Like the days of fortynine
12th
Of all the comrads I had then
Theres none now left but me
The only thing I'm waiting for
Is a senator to be
The people cry as I pass by
There goes a travelling sign
It is Old Tom Moore a bummer sure
Of the day's of fourtynine.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 04 May 12 - 09:03 AM

Thanks for that!

Interesting "new" stanzas.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,Truman Price
Date: 10 Jul 17 - 10:30 PM

I learned it from "Reminiscences of an old timer" by George Hunter, published 1888-9, who said it was popular in Jacksonville Oregon in 1856.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 05:40 AM

While sorting out some old files, I stumbled across one containing a load of digitised songbooks including:

Put's Original California Songster
Giving In A Few Words What Would Occupy Volumes.
Detailing The Hopes, Trials And Joys Of A Miner's Life.
4th Edition, 18th Thousand.
San Francisco :
Published By D. E. Appleton & Co. 504 & 510 Montgomery St. 1868

If someone could find space for it on this forum, or could make use of a copy of it (or anything else from the file) personally, please let me know
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Jul 17 - 08:13 AM

Eight stanzas without a chorus appeared in the "Idaho Tri-Weekly Statesman" (Sept. 21, 1871) with the note that "The following 'touching ballad' has become quite a favorite, especially with old Californians."


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 03:35 PM

This version overlaps with the one in Lomax but there are some small differences:

From SONGS OF THE RANCH AND RANGE, ©1932 Paull-Pioneer Music Corp., NYC

The Days of Forty-Nine

You are gazing now at old Tom Moore,
A relic of bygone days;
Tis a bummer now they call me,
But what cares I for praise!
It’s oft, says I, for days gone by,
It’s oft I do repine,
For the days of old, when we dug out the gold,
In those days of Forty-Nine.

My comrades all, they loved me well,
The saucy, jolly crew;
A few hard cases I’ll admit,
Though they were brave and true;
What e’er the pinch, they ne’er would flinch;
They ne’er would fret nor whine;
Like good old bricks they stood the kicks,
In the days of Forty-Nine.

Refrain:

Like good old bricks they stood the kicks,
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There’s old “Aunt Jess” that hard old cuss,
Who never would repent;
He never missed a single meal,
And never paid a cent;
But old “Aunt Jess” like all the rest,
At death he did resign,
And in his bloom went up the flume,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There is Ragshag Jim, the roaring man
Who could out-roar a buffalo, you bet;
He roared all day and he roared all night,
And I guess he’s roaring yet;
One night Jim fell in a prospect hole;
‘Twas a roaring bad design,
And in that hole roared out his soul,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There is Wylie Bill, the funny man,
Who was full of funny tricks,
When he was in a poker game,
He was always hard as bricks;
He would ante you a stud, he would play you a draw,
He would go you a hatful blind;
In a struggle with death Bill lost his breath,
In the days of Forty-Nine (REF)

There was New York Jake, the butcher boy,
Who was fond of getting tight;
And every time he got on a spree
He was spoiling for a fight;
One night Jake rampaged against a knife
In the hands of old Bob Sine,
And over Jake they held a wake,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There was Monte Pete, I’ll ne’er forget,
The luck he always had;
He would deal for you both day and night
Or as long as he had a scad;
‘Twas a pistol shot that laid Pete out,
It was his last resign,
And it caught Pete dead sure in the door,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

Of all the comrades that I’ve had
There’s none that’s left to boast,
And I’m left alone in my misery
Like some poor wandering ghost;
And as I pass from town to town,
They call me the rambling sign,
Since the days of old, and the days of gold,
And the days of Forty-Nine.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 04:20 PM

A minutely earlier text of eight stanzas appeared anonymously in the Evening News (Gold Hill, Nevada), Sept. 7, 1871.

It was reprinted in several western papers over the next few weeks.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 03:35 PM

This version overlaps with the one in Lomax but there are some small differences:

From SONGS OF THE RANCH AND RANGE, ©1932 Paull-Pioneer Music Corp., NYC

The Days of Forty-Nine

You are gazing now at old Tom Moore,
A relic of bygone days;
Tis a bummer now they call me,
But what cares I for praise!
It’s oft, says I, for days gone by,
It’s oft I do repine,
For the days of old, when we dug out the gold,
In those days of Forty-Nine.

My comrades all, they loved me well,
The saucy, jolly crew;
A few hard cases I’ll admit,
Though they were brave and true;
What e’er the pinch, they ne’er would flinch;
They ne’er would fret nor whine;
Like good old bricks they stood the kicks,
In the days of Forty-Nine.

Refrain:

Like good old bricks they stood the kicks,
In the days of Forty-Nine.

There’s old “Aunt Jess” that hard old cuss,
Who never would repent;
He never missed a single meal,
And never paid a cent;
But old “Aunt Jess” like all the rest,
At death he did resign,
And in his bloom went up the flume,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There is Ragshag Jim, the roaring man
Who could out-roar a buffalo, you bet;
He roared all day and he roared all night,
And I guess he’s roaring yet;
One night Jim fell in a prospect hole;
‘Twas a roaring bad design,
And in that hole roared out his soul,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There is Wylie Bill, the funny man,
Who was full of funny tricks,
When he was in a poker game,
He was always hard as bricks;
He would ante you a stud, he would play you a draw,
He would go you a hatful blind;
In a struggle with death Bill lost his breath,
In the days of Forty-Nine (REF)

There was New York Jake, the butcher boy,
Who was fond of getting tight;
And every time he got on a spree
He was spoiling for a fight;
One night Jake rampaged against a knife
In the hands of old Bob Sine,
And over Jake they held a wake,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

There was Monte Pete, I’ll ne’er forget,
The luck he always had;
He would deal for you both day and night
Or as long as he had a scad;
‘Twas a pistol shot that laid Pete out,
It was his last resign,
And it caught Pete dead sure in the door,
In the days of Forty-Nine. (REF)

Of all the comrades that I’ve had
There’s none that’s left to boast,
And I’m left alone in my misery
Like some poor wandering ghost;
And as I pass from town to town,
They call me the rambling sign,
Since the days of old, and the days of gold,
And the days of Forty-Nine.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Sep 23 - 04:20 PM

A minutely earlier text of eight stanzas appeared anonymously in the Evening News (Gold Hill, Nevada), Sept. 7, 1871.

It was reprinted in several western papers over the next few weeks.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jan 24 - 10:34 AM

the rambling sign : at first sight we know he is of these old days of gold, as if he would carry a sign.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GeoffLawes
Date: 06 Jan 24 - 01:07 PM

A variety of California Gold Rush songs is to be found here in Mudcat thread Any January Songs /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=169254&messages=108#californiagoldrushsongs:~:text=org/wiki/California_Gold_Rush-,SONGS%2


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,The Queensland Tiger
Date: 06 Oct 24 - 03:54 AM

Here is the version I just recorded.
I paticularly like the final chorus.
----------------------------
[V.1]
I'm old Tom Moore from the bummer's shore
In the good old golden days.
They call me a bummer and a gin sot, too
But what care(s) I for praise
I wander ‘round from town to town
Just like a roving sign,
And the people all say, " There goes Tom Moore
From the days of '49.”
The days of '49.”
----------------------------------------
[V.2]
My comrades, they all loved me well,
A jolly saucy crew,
A few hard cases, I’ll admit,
But they were brave and true ;
They ne'er would flinch, whate’er the pinch
They ne’er would fret or whine —
Like good old bricks, they stood the kicks
In the days of '49.
The days of '49.
-------------------------------------
[CHORUS 1]        
For the days of old, for the days of gold
How oft-times I repine
For the days of old when we dug up the gold
In the days of'49.
In the days of'49.
------------------------
[V.3]
There was Black Jack Bill , one of the boys
He was always in for a game
No matter he lost or whether he won,
To him ‘twas all the same
He’d ante up and draw his cards
He’d go a hatful blind
But in a game with death,
Bill lost his breath,
In the days of '49
The days of ‘49
-------------------------------
[V.4]
There was New York Jake, a butcher's boy,
He was fond of getting tight
But every time that he got drunk
He was spoiling for a fight
Then Jake ran up against a knife
In the hands of old Bob Klein
And over Jake, we held a wake
In the days of '49
The days of ‘49
--------------------------
[V.5]
Another chap from New Orleans
Big Reuben was his name,
On the plaza there, on a sardine box
He opened a faro game,
He dealt so fair, a millionaire
He became in the course of time,
Till Death stepped in and called the turn
In the days of '49.
The days of ‘49.
--------------------------
[CHORUS 1]
--------------------
[V.6]
There was old Lame Jess, a hard old cuss,
Who never would repent ;
He was never known to miss a drink
Nor ever spend a cent;
But old Lame Jess,like all the rest,
To Death, he did resign
In all his bloom, went up the flume
In the days of '49.
The days of ‘49
--------------------
[V.7]
There was "Monte" Pete , I‘ll n’er forget
The luck he always had
He’d deal for you, both day and night
As long as you had a scad
One night a pistol "laid him out"
His last "lay out" so fine …
It caught Pete sure, right in the door
In the days of '49.
The days of ‘49.
--------------------
[V.8]
There was roaring Bill, from Bullafo
I never will forget …
He’d roar all day, and he’d roar all night
And I guess he's roaring yet ;
One night he fell in a prospect hole
‘Twas a roaring bad design ;
And in that hole, roared out his soul
In the days of '49.
The days of ‘49.
---------------------
[CHORUS 1]
--------------------
[V.9]
Of all the comrades that I had                        
There's none left here to boast ;
I'm all alone in my misery
Like some poor wandering ghost ;
And as I pass from town to town
They call me the ramblin’ sign —
"There goes Tom Moore, a bummer sure,
From the days of '49.
The days of ‘49."
--------------------
[FINAL CHORUS]
Oh, I miss the boys, and all the noise,
And the gold that once was mine ;
I’m battered and old, but our hearts were bold,
In the days of'49.
In the days of'49.
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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: Lighter
Date: 03 Oct 25 - 02:14 PM

A minutely earlier appearance was in the Salt Lake Daily Review (Sept. 1, 1871).

"Published by request," the eight familiar stanzas are given simply "AS SUNG BY DICK BROWN," presumably a local vaudevillian.

The opening phrase, "Here you see...," "You're gazing now...," "You see before you..." all suggest a stage performance.


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Subject: RE: Origins: The Days of Forty Nine
From: GUEST,K Goodin
Date: 07 Nov 25 - 03:18 AM

I first heard it from Jim Beris of Denver..in 1962.he went to India and stayed there. Harry Tuft performs it .. most memorably. After all,Harry is a 'song's best friend."


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