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BS: Popular views on McCain

Donuel 28 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM
Riginslinger 28 Feb 08 - 11:16 PM
Amos 29 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM
Les in Chorlton 01 Mar 08 - 03:33 AM
kendall 01 Mar 08 - 08:45 AM
artbrooks 01 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM
GUEST,Guest 01 Mar 08 - 10:39 AM
Riginslinger 01 Mar 08 - 11:28 AM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 10:55 AM
Little Hawk 02 Mar 08 - 11:15 AM
GUEST,Guest 02 Mar 08 - 11:19 AM
Bobert 02 Mar 08 - 11:30 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Mar 08 - 11:46 AM
GUEST,Guest 02 Mar 08 - 11:53 AM
Bill D 02 Mar 08 - 12:43 PM
Amos 02 Mar 08 - 12:51 PM
GUEST,Guest 02 Mar 08 - 02:01 PM
Big Mick 02 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM
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Donuel 03 Mar 08 - 10:34 AM
PoppaGator 03 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 03 Mar 08 - 04:08 PM
GUEST,dianavan 03 Mar 08 - 05:28 PM
Amos 03 Mar 08 - 06:21 PM
Bobert 03 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM
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Subject: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 06:24 PM

http://www.madcowprod.com/02272008.html


With friends like these Lobbists who needs enemas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Feb 08 - 11:16 PM

Donuel - It looks to me like the entire country could use an enema. You got to wonder what would come out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 29 Feb 08 - 11:11 AM

WaPo Columnist:

"...So Obama needs to start thinking about how he will actually implement his vision and better understand the military mindset and the realities for a uniformed leadership that now has its own stake in succeeding in Iraq. Obama needs to redefine the American mission and decouple what Americans should do in Iraq with what America must do against terrorism -- and he needs to embrace the surge.

McCain? Haunted by Vietnam, he raises the specter of al Qaeda "taking" Iraq. A few hundred or thousand terrorists that the U.S. military itself says are practically defeated in the country? McCain is stuck in a false conception -- and an irresponsible scare tactic -- that an attack at home will certainly come if we back off one inch from Baghdad.

McCain pledges to keep U.S. forces in Iraq, and favors adding more troops if necessary. Put aside for a moment the unreality of that plan given how stretched and broken the military itself claims it is. Put aside as well whether McCain hasn't cleverly seized upon the core American dichotomy of hating the Iraq war but hating defeat even more.

The McCain fallacy on Iraq is the suggestion -- his belief -- that old-style, pre-surge "victory" is still possible. Because the Army and Marine Corps are indeed "winning" under the surge, he says it has been successful in changing the political reality in Iraq, and that the non-military needs are now catching up with the military. Here McCain is the naïve one about what the surge was all about and what it has undeniably achieved: Not victory, but change in the terms of the debate to facilitate an honorable American end to the war.
..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 03:33 AM

I think he has enough to answer for with those oven chips.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: kendall
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 08:45 AM

He's a military man. They have to find or create wars to justify their existance.
He, among others, say if we dont fight themover there, we will have to fight them here. Ok, so how come these people didn't follow us home?
Mexico
Spain
Germany
Japan
Korea
Viet Nam
Granada
Panama


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: artbrooks
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:12 AM

Now, Kendall - you know Reginslinger will be here in five minutes to tell us all that they did follow us home!


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 10:39 AM

I don't know how 'popular' my view of McCain is, and don't give a rip. I think that if the main issue driving voters come November is the war, McCain will win, possibly by a significant margin.

If the economy is the main issue in November, the Democrat will win, whether it is Obama or Clinton it won't matter.

What will matter but most voters won't think about regardless of where we are at with the war, is where any of the candidates will lead us in terms of 'the next battleground'. Because there will be one, whether the charge is led by President Obama, President Clinton, or President McCain, because they are all stickin' with the empire.

Obama seems really ignorant of the issues tied up in the US empire building and US militarism, and that really scares me.

If he would say 'impeachment should be on the table' or that he will go after the crooks in the Pentagon and Defense Dept. I could get on board with him. It is that simple, to win my vote. THAT would be an authentic paradigm shift.

Both McCain and Obama are sitting pretty in their respective parties thanks to fed up w/partisan bullshit independents, NOT their party loyalists. Whether that turns out to be an anomaly this year, and the partisanship machines kick into high gear to kill the independent voter movement beast, we'll see in the post-November era.

But it is no accident that the two candidates with the greatest appeal to independent, rather than partisan voters, is winning this year.

Independent voters were really turned off by the anti-indie/pro-partisan vitriol of 2004, especially when it blew up in the Democrats faces with their loser Kerry--an incredibly AWFUL born with a silver foot in his mouth candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Mar 08 - 11:28 AM

"Now, Kendall - you know Reginslinger will be here in five minutes to tell us all that they did follow us home!"


                   The way I remember it, the ones who didn't follow us home from Vietnam were labeled "Boat People" by the media.

                   As far as Granada goes, there was hardly anybody there to follow us home in the first place. That's the way Reagan liked to fight wars.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 10:55 AM

Frank Rich does a good job of exploring John McCain's inner Hillary.



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Little Hawk
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:15 AM

There is no one in the world who would ever dream of attacking the USA if the USA and its big corporations would just leave the other people in the world alone!

That is what Mr McCain will apparently never be able to figure out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:19 AM

Or Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama either. They're all stickin' w/the empire.

And why not? It's good to be the king.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:30 AM

Well, if y'all like the last 8 years then vote for McCain... There is nho substanial difference between what Bush is doing now in terms of foriegn or domestic policies than what McWar is proposing... More tax cuts for the wealthy meaning big deficits and more costly war...


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:46 AM

Canadians should strongly support MCain and his endorsement of NAFTA agreements with Canada.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 11:53 AM

Why was my last post just deleted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 12:43 PM

question- did you actually SEE it in the thread? Jeri says nothing has been deleted, and she generally knows. Sometimes posts just dont take.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 12:51 PM

Every candidate has to start with the ground truth as it exists when he begins his plans, as well as he can ascertain it. What you call "empire" -- although it is commercial dominance more than traditional empire -- is part of the ground truth. But it is also true that the world is flattening out to a greater degree than ever before, with China, India, Malaysia, Taiwan, some parts of Africa, Japan, Korea, and Thailand all roaring to deliver goods to the US and Europe that were once miracle exports from the US and Europe.

The vacuum which we have balked at filling is the breakthrough innovational trajectory of new and better ways and products and systems. We have such deeply invested corporate dampers on our market that the cost of true innovation is almost stifling. Henry Ford could never do what he did, in today's legal and commercial environment; neither could Singer, or Maytag, who at one time peopled the planet with their manufactured devices, just for examples.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 02:01 PM

Look, I wouldn't have asked in a completely different thread, if I wasn't pretty certain I had seen it post.

Here is, in part, Mick's response in that thread, confirming that my posts have been deleted for spurious reasons on a whim by one of the mods:

"You have recently had, as you well know, several posts reinstated that met the rules. Those reinstatements came with an explanation that restated the rules, which you quoted above."

Yeah, which begs the question, why were those posts deleted to begin with, if the posts were in full compliance with the rules?

I haven't gotten a satisfactory answer on that one.

Which is why I immediately suspected the same foul play.

I am willing to split the difference on this one today (and what other choice do we have anyway?), and say that it was a question of the post not making it through.

But the censorship is happening. I'm not the only one it has happened to, so there is apparently at least one moderator of this forum who is a bit trigger happy with either certain posters, or with certain content.

I don't expect we will ever hear the truth of it. "Homeland security" you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 02:22 PM

Ya know, Janet, just when I think we might have turned the corner and could get on with just good, solid, often controversial, but useful discussion, you come up with this, taking part of the quote and using to suit your own context. I think you must be showing your stripes here. Careful, your motivations are showing. You are convincing me that your real goal is disruption and that you take delight in that. Fair enough, but it won't be tolerated here. Your political insights are often hard edged, but provoke solid debate and thought. But when you start tearing the place down, and taking shots at folks that are attempting to keep it on a unique and even keel, and devoting their personal time to doing so, you are getting into turf that will give credence to those that just want to ban you.

So I will say this one last time. Stop attacking this place and the folks that are willing to give of their time to provide you an outlet. Websites like this one are not democracies, but this one allows a lot of latitude. It is not your right to do/say whatever you want here, but we give you more space than most. As long as you stay within guidelines, you will be allowed to post. Use a consistent handle, no personal attacks, and trolling for the purpose of disruption of the free flow of discussion won't be allowed. I can't speak for most of the mod's but I can tell you that I don't give a rats behind if you like the way we run it. If it's not to your liking, don't let the cyber door hit you in your cyber arse on the way out.

Now I would hope you would get back to the discussion of McCain. It is a good one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Mar 08 - 03:09 PM

I quoted what was relevant to my reasons for questioning what had happened *again* to my post.

I was able to track back the post, as I wrote it, on my computer. But because I wasn't able to get back to a screen that showed it posted, I gave Mudcat the benefit of the doubt, and accepted there was a chance that the post didn't get through. However, as you well know Mick, I have good reason to be suspicious.

This is a problem of Mudcat's making, not mine, and I am certainly not the first person in recent weeks to complain of it happening.

You are, of course, entitled to believe whatever you like about my motivations. But it is my actions, not your second guesses about my motivations, that count here.

I tore no one down. I stated facts, and they were facts you yourself had to agree with, and I am willing drop it so long as nobody jerks my chain for their vindictive jollies.

I get that this is a one way street sort of forum. But it's one of your own heading the wrong way down that street, not me. I have been following the rules. One of the mods hasn't been. Only you mods know who that is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:34 AM

Keating 5.

please don't bring this up regarding McCain.

The bail out he helped get for the legislation to pay for (with tax dollars) all the money that was stolen via prior legislation to legalize stealing money by a priveliged few, should not be held against John McCain.

He was just obeying suggestions and racking in cash.

regarding Viet Nam...

McCain slew Ablely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: PoppaGator
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 03:44 PM

"Slew Ably?" All due respect, McCain got shot down and spent most of the war as a prisoner.

Now, I don't for one minute believe that his misfortune had anything to do with his relative competance as a warrior or, more specifically, as a pilot. Just dumb, bad, luck. Also, his unfortunate experience and his ability to survive through it speak well for him as a human person, and make him a credible opponent of the Bush administration's desire to legitimize torture.

There were plenty of GIs, many of them reluctant conscripts, who slew many more Vietnamese persons more ably than did John McCain. You can find some of them living under overpasses in every American city. Or perhaps you'd like to meet my friend Jane, who as a 17-year-old high school dropout earned a battlefield commission while racking up a record of 28 "personal kills" in Vietnam. Back then, of course, Jane was Eugene; (s)he is going through gender change at age 60 because, as a male, he was simply too screwed up, too mean and angry, to live.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 04:08 PM

Veterans who have 'slipped through the cracks' have been in the gutters after each of our wars. I remember the 'bush vets,' so-called, living in solitary hideouts in Hawaii after the Vietnam War, too traumatized ever to return to society. No one wanted to talk about them. In California, too, living rough. I have often wondered what eventually happened to them.

I always thought obscene the intensive American search for information on the few missing American MIA's when Vietnamese were looking for the hundreds of thousands of their own destroyed in that useless war.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 05:28 PM

As a Canadian, I would never hope for a win by McCain who has accepted an endorsement from John Hagee, the Texas evangelist.

Hagee hates the Catholic church, Jews, women, and Muslims, etc. He makes his living hating others.

Hagee supports McCain and McCain supports NAFTA.

Kinda makes you wonder or in Q's case, not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 06:21 PM

McCains hard times have left him with a heavy case of scar tissue in point of view. He is jaded and looks at the world in a gimlet-eyed military man's manner, assessing all people as potential hostiles first, and pawns second.

We have a better model for looking at humanity at large.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 06:29 PM

Well, not to mention that the guy is butt ugly...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 07:50 PM

yer, right, Bobert. I'm not worried too much about the double-chin but its the lifeless eyes that bother me the most. I can't determine if he is full of fear, hatred or regret. None of which will make him a good President.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 09:10 PM

Gee, Dianavan, as long as his policies are good for Canada, those evangelistas down there don't make no never mind.
When you visit the States, just put a bobble-head Jesus peeking through the windshield of your car and they won't bother you.

Saw Hagee on TV the other night. He looks mighty well-fed. Those Texans must put real money in his begging bowl. Apparently the biggest amount of his cash rolled in during Bill Clinton's presidency. He built a plush little 500 bed resort in the Hill Country of Texas at the time. Just the place to walk your "I love Jesus" Reboks.

Apparently he is something of a whirligig. A couple of years ago he was in Washington with 3000 of his followers demanding that the Bush regime show stronger support for Israel. I have never heard his pitches, but if he now is downing the Jews, that is a change.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Mar 08 - 10:38 PM

"Just a Closer Walk with Thee," in Reboks?


                His position on Jews is probably dictated by which position is bringing in the most money at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: kendall
Date: 04 Mar 08 - 01:59 PM

McCain vowed to "Get Bin Laden". Where have we heard that one before?
How many days since, Mission accomplished?
4 more years..............not with my help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 06 Mar 08 - 11:08 PM

From Howard Dean:

....Here's the background on the situation.


A few months ago, John McCain applied for and was approved to receive federal matching funds. Because he couldn't find enough people to fund his campaign, he was also forced to apply for a $4 million line of credit, which he secured by using the federal matching funds as collateral.


By taking the federal funding, he agreed to spend no more than $57 million until the Republican convention. But so far, his campaign has spent at least $49 million -- leaving him with less than $10 million to campaign with through September.


Now that he's won the nomination and has the support of the Republican lobbyist and special interest machine, he's trying to ignore that the whole thing ever happened. He recently wrote a letter to the FEC telling them that he was backing out, even though the FEC is very clear that any request to withdraw from the agreement must be approved; you can't just change your mind and take it back -- legally, you have to be given permission.


McCain isn't asking because he knows he'll never be granted permission, and he doesn't want to have to accept the funding restrictions he agreed to when he used the money as collateral for a loan. He's ripping a page right from George Bush's playbook: ignoring the laws when they aren't convenient and hoping no one will notice.


Stand up and show him that hundreds of thousands of people have noticed -- he can't change the rules in the middle of the game because he doesn't like how things are going for him:


http://www.democrats.org/McCainBusted


Using government programs when it's politically convenient and breaking the rules when it's not ... remind you of anyone?


Just like George Bush, John McCain thinks he's above the law. McCain poses as a reformer, but seems to think reforms apply to everyone but him.


Time to send him a message.


Howard Dean



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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:02 AM

Frankly, I don't see why he doesn't just go along with it. He's already clinched the nomination, and the 527 groups would be happy to pick up the slack.

                  If he did that, he could hammer Obama, assuming the Democratic nominee is Obama, over the head all through the general election for reneging on his pledge to use public financing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 08:26 AM

Yeah, I think it would give him moral high ground against the Shiny and New Brand Name.

Clinton came from behind this week being outspent by Obama 2 to 1. Which is why I think Obama has peaked too early to win the general.

He can't even buy his way to victory. And isn't that a sad state of affairs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 09:42 AM

Any organism can be poisoned by toxins, especially relatively young ones.

Let us see, though. I think hard predictions are a bit presumptuous.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:13 AM

Anybody who'd make a hard prediction on this one isn't dealing with reality, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 08 - 10:30 AM

Seven come eleven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 11:08 AM

From commentary in the Times on an analysis of various health-care positions of the several candidates:

"McCain's postion is ironically ludicrious.

(1) Due to his injuries in Vietnam, he has been entitled to care through the VA ever since.

The VA is government-run healthcare.

(2) As a US Senator, he recieves government-paid health insurance and care.

(3) As someone over 65, he is elgible for Medicare and should be enrolled in Parts A and B at least under Medicare's rule.

Medicare is government-administered health insurance.

(4) Given Senator McCain's history of health problems. if he went to purchase a non-group health insurance plan, he would be unable to do so in around 45-46 states. Those states allow insurers to reject applicants because of pre-existing conditions, age and a host of other reasons.

He has had government-run care, government-paid insurance and/or government-adminstered insurance with little or nothing in the way of deductibles or caopys basically his entire adult life. But he is enough of a hypocrite to announce that the rest of us should fend for ourselves against the sharks of the private health insurance market.

His hypocrisy on the subject leaves one a bit queasy. ..."


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:04 PM

The way I've heard it described, he'd be rejected by Obama's health care plan as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 12:25 PM

Well, I think Obama's health plan does disallow certain, specifically identified, prior conditions, including:

Rampant militarism
Hypocrisy in the public service
Trenchant running of the mouth
Loss of primary functional compassion

and a few others. On a case by case basis...



A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 05:04 PM

That's the problem. In order for health care to work, it has to cover everybody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: DougR
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 05:42 PM

Why don't all you Mudcatters who can vote(legally)write in Kendall on your ballot? I think Kendall and Bobert would make good P&VP candidates. They could run on the theme, "more federal dollars for folk music!" Probably win in a landslide.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 06:32 PM

Pithy & erudite as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: artbrooks
Date: 10 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM

As a senator, he has the right to purchase the same health insurance that any other Federal employee can get. At the present time, the employee share of Blue Cross/Blue Shield, high option, family plan is $314.47 per month. They are the second payer after Medicare, which he would also pay for. I have no idea if he has any service-connected disabilities, which are required to qualify him for VA health care at his income level.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:43 AM

Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a "war" against the "false religion" of Islam with the aim of destroying it.

On February 26, McCain appeared at a campaign rally in Cincinnati with the Reverend Rod Parsley of the World Harvest Church of Columbus, a supersize Pentecostal institution that features a 5,200-seat sanctuary, a television studio (where Parsley tapes a weekly show), and a 122,000-square-foot Ministry Activity Center. That day, a week before the Ohio primary, Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a "strong, true, consistent conservative." The endorsement was important for McCain, who at the time was trying to put an end to the lingering challenge from former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, a favorite among Christian evangelicals. A politically influential figure in Ohio, Parsley could also play a key role in McCain's effort to win this bellwether state in the general election. McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a "spiritual guide."

The leader of a 12,000-member congregation, Parsley has written several books outlining his fundamentalist religious outlook, including the 2005 Silent No More. In this work, Parsley decries the "spiritual desperation" of the United States, and he blasts away at the usual suspects: activist judges, civil libertarians who advocate the separation of church and state, the homosexual "culture" ("homosexuals are anything but happy and carefree"), the "abortion industry," and the crass and profane entertainment industry. And Parsley targets another profound threat to the United States: the religion of Islam.

In a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah," Parsley warns there is a "war between Islam and Christian civilization." He continues:


"I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore."




This is great. While John Boy is not, at least, talking to God through his hair-dryer, he's got the next best thing--a loose nut-- to serve as a medium to the cartoon channel.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:46 AM

Parsley has many megabucks personally and his congregation both locally and on TV has very deep pockets. From an influence standpoint he is probably the current leader of the pack......Very scary. The physical plant of his church and school is pretty significant btw........

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 11:00 AM

It's the ignorance that gets me. This crap about "our nation's divine purpose" is exactly the kind of blind-pig chauvinism that has started wars over and over. Why doesn't this allegedly educated human being know that? How can he stomach himself, knowing that he is literally shopping for slaughter, promoting hatred, and planning to bring about ruination to thousands of human beings? Who the fuck does he think he is, to commit such humanitarian crimes with impunity?

Gawd, the arrogance. I've been called arrogant, but he makes me look like a farm boy and a piker in comparison.   It is to puke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:24 PM

And I thought Parsley was a leafy vegetable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 09:36 PM

McCain will easily win. The small minority in this country who thinks like the vast majority on Mudcat will never go along with Obama's extremist liberal views. That, and and there are more moderate Democrats than you realize.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Amos
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:24 PM

Small minority?

You aren't paying attention, Stranger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: GUEST,Stranger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:42 PM

We are a long way from the election, Amos.

Wait until the Rezko trial really kicks in. And people see and hear more and more of Obama's racist minister from Chicago. Don't forget Rev Al and Rev Jesse. They will be very much in the picture when it is all said and done. They are far from being ready and their egos are way too large to be dethroned in their "positions." All of this will alienate much more than you realize. Couple that with ordinary bigotry, racism, shallow experience, disenchanted Hillary supporters, moderate Democrats.

Remember how right you were about Kerry, also. Remember him? No one else does.


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Subject: RE: BS: Popular views on McCain
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Mar 08 - 10:48 PM

You have a point, Stranger. The Hillary campaign is not willing to launch the hard punches that the Republicans will gleefully throw. In the end, I think the Democrats would be much better off with Hillary.
                      But, as I'm sure you've noticed from recent events, every time the Hillary campaign takes a jab at Obama, they're labeled as RACIST by the corporate media, and that's the end of the digalogue.


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