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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 24 Oct 24 - 05:10 PM Yes, MaJo.. I've been following that Tina Peters case for awhile. MSNBC reported on it just recently. There were some folks in Georgia who made videos of allowing machine tamperers in. I can't remember what happened to them. |
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Subject: BS: Are Both Right? Is Neither? From: Ebbie Date: 24 Oct 24 - 10:43 PM I just listened to Elon Musk speaking in Pennsylvania explaining to the audience that this election may be the last free election, that if Trump doesn’t win, our Constitution will be rendered null and void, that the ‘other’ side is trying to destroy America and all it stands for. This is not the first time I have heard MAGA present itself that way. It’s the equivalent of “God is on our side.” On BOTH sides. Is 'God' sitting in the dining room watching the battle on his television, chortling all the while? WTHF |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:06 AM No Ebbie. God is sitting in her/his loungeroom, rubbing her/his hands and saying, "My dastardly plan for the end of the world is working. Ha ha ha!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Thompson Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:42 AM God is correct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Ebbie Date: 25 Oct 24 - 04:46 AM There is a tune that we do, called The End of the World, from the long-ago dobro-playing Oswald Kirby. Players on the various instruments in our group take their turn at being featured, but because I can no longer play guitar because of my frozen shoulder I wrote a couple of verses to the tune, which we all sing when it’s my turn. They go: “When the darkness gathers ‘round, silently, without sound Voices bleak seem to speak through the gloom Everything will disappear, erasing all that I hold dear Then I believe that I can see the end of the world. “But with the coming of the dawn when all trace of dark has gone And the Earth knows its worth, again will bloom And bright sun’s sweet caress brings me hope and happiness Then I can see there’ll never be an end of the world.” And that is the hope I cling to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:17 PM Right after Trump was elected a guy in Seattle started a Twitter account called "What the Fuck Just Happened Today?" and he would sum up the day's news in one long run-on sentence, followed by links to the news organizations where each phrase was sourced. I subscribed, and he kept it going during the Biden administration, more or less still focused on the bad behavior of The Former Guy. This came out on Tuesday (numbered by the day of the current administration): Welcome to Day 1372. Here's the site if anyone is interested in following along. You don't have to pay to read it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 25 Oct 24 - 12:56 PM Thanks for your verse of hope, Ebbie. I think it is more useful to focus on hope than on doom and gloom, and in the U.S. it is especially important in motivating people to vote. If they focus on despair they think there is no point in voting because the result is perceived to be inevitable. If they think their vote can make a difference, they will vote. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 25 Oct 24 - 03:27 PM The image of God sitting in a room of a house reminds me of my favourite cartoon ever. I saw it in a book about sci-fi many decades ago and I have a copy of it filed away somewhere safe, i.e. I can't remember where it is, so I can't give the name of the cartoonist. Briefly, a man is in a space ship, travelling far, far away in the universe, sees lots of signs saying "Go back, end of the universe" then God (portrayed as a bearded old man) is sitting in his lounge room when a teeny-tiny spaceship jumps out of his aquarium-style container and lands on the floor. He picks it up, puts it on the mantle piece and says, "I'll just put that with all the others" and there are a few more spaceships lined up on the shelf. Sorry for the discussion detour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Thompson Date: 26 Oct 24 - 05:19 AM Scott Lucas, Professor of International Politics at the Clinton Institute, University College, Dublin, writing in The Examiner, an Irish paper, on Trump. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Oct 24 - 10:31 AM Good article Thompson but sadly it will be dismissed as listening to the polls on here :-( |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 26 Oct 24 - 01:17 PM It'll b!e a Guy Fawkes Day to Remember! Will The People blow up the Houses of Congress?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Mrrzy Date: 27 Oct 24 - 10:07 AM Bonfires,metaphorical here... 10 days |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Oct 24 - 11:08 AM Trump is hosting a rally at Madison Square Garden. I sure hope there is an independent head-counter there to let us know how many New Yorkers give a rats ass about Trump to attend a rally. Meanwhile, Harris is walking into the lion's den - small events in Philadelphia, primarily focussing on Black men, some of whom have dismissed her because of old lies told by Trump (about her prosecuting Black men in California and locking them up; in fact, she had programs in place to avoid incarceration altogether.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 24 - 12:03 PM https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan Hitler had his enablement ruling. Trump has the equivalent from his Supreme Court. Hitler had concentration camps for enemies by 1933. Trump is calling for camps for millions of immigrants be they citizens or not. Political enemies may get different lodging, or not. Hitler had a Kristallnacht and Trump speaks of a purge. The typical Trump voter did not go to college. The intelligentsia is therefore the enemy again, billionaires aside. Most Nazi corporations did very well and exist today be it Krups or Mercedes and Porsche. The 900-page 2025 project is the handbook for a modern Nazi State. It puts Mein Kampf in the shade. This election is largely up to women. Your average truck driver is voting for Trump. Despite the polls, this choice will be a close one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 27 Oct 24 - 03:25 PM I believe it was back in 2000 when Pat Buchanon addressed the Republican convention with phrases like "lock and load" and I don't remember the commentator who said: "I haven't read the Republican charter in the original German." Buchanon's rendition of 20th Century history considered Churchill to be a warmonger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:15 AM I recall Pat saying lock and load. Ride to the sound of gunfire boys! Hitler lied about the inferiority of Jews and Slavs. Turns out that Einstien and Tesla have changed the world more than your average Aryan. Trump calls central and south Americans inferior along with your usual KKK examples of non humans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:49 AM SRS, if 70% of Americans are in favour of what would effectively be concentration camps for arriving and even settled migrants, I despair for your country, to the effect that folkies seem to be the only decent people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 28 Oct 24 - 10:49 AM SPB... who said anything like 70%? Any is too many, but your generalization is silly. There is an obvious need to control our Southern border, but folkies are far from the only ones who want it done in a fair and thoughtful way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Oct 24 - 11:47 AM It does strike me as deeply odd that someone will loudly protest at immigration one minute, and equally loudly claim Scottish ancestry the next. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Oct 24 - 12:21 PM It strikes me as deeply odd that the vast majority of those Americans protesting immigration are themselves immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Liberty must be weeping on her little island. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Oct 24 - 12:30 PM It seems Madison Square Garden was packed and there was an overflow crowd watching the racist hyperbole on screens outside. Trump brings out the worst in people and it is tempting to suggest that if there was facial recognition software in effect at the place they have a large pool of possible suspects if there is any rioting or vandalism after the election. Democrats crochet hats and march, Republicans assault the Capitol. Any other suggestions as to what to do about that crowd are entirely inappropriate and are the reason Democrats aren't making them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: robomatic Date: 28 Oct 24 - 01:47 PM Just like a human response to irrationality is more irrationality, it is worthwhile to have standards and then keep them. It's just not easy. Unfortunately we are still in a world where there is a limit to truth and sanity, but no limit to lies and insanity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 28 Oct 24 - 02:28 PM SRS, in an article I read about the Madison Square Garden rally, Trump spoke for 80 minutes but people started leaving before he stopped talking. Trump's Madison Square Garden appearance takes aim at Harris, migrants, Puerto Rico — the latest from the US election campaign trail "Media on the ground noted the crowd at the initially packed arena had begun to thin considerably before the speech finished." |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: meself Date: 28 Oct 24 - 02:48 PM "It strikes me as deeply odd that the vast majority of those Americans protesting immigration are themselves immigrants or descendants of immigrants." You don't get it: "MY grandparents were GOOD immigrants; they FOLLOWED THE RULES and WORKED HARD - not like these immigrants today, who are illegal and just want to live on welfare!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:10 PM I sincerely hope that is a joke, in bad taste though it is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 28 Oct 24 - 03:19 PM It is not contradictory to be descended from immigrants, Scottish and otherwise, and still worry about illegal immigration. What is hateful and stupid is basing one's concern on contempt for just one ethnic group. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Oct 24 - 04:25 PM Trump was really late arriving so his long talk went way past what people probably planned as their end of the evening. The place was packed but it's good he saw them leaving. Whatever will spoil his evening. Two commentaries from Heather Cox Richardson, I hope the links open: October 26, 2024 about fascism - much of it read from a March 24, 1945, pamphlet for US Army personnel. This is enlightening. October 27, 2024 discusses the Trump rally at MSG. There is a transcript below the audio player on both. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Oct 24 - 08:04 PM Sunday in Costco the store was full of carts with small children in tow as parents shopped. Back near the rotisserie chicken counter one Black woman with the large flat cart had two toddlers in the child seats, a bit older child sitting on boxed groceries on the cart, and a taller child walking beside her. As I passed by I smiled and said "you have your hands full!" as she wrangled the family and groceries. She smiled and agreed, then broke her step and turned back and said "great t-shirt, by the way." I thanked her and we moved in opposite directions. My shirt didn't have any words, it's subtle, with three panels, each a photo of Kamala at different ages. The middle photo is that striking shot of her around law-school age (this is linked via Snopes, saying it's a real photo.) A lot of people are paying attention, but aren't displaying their politics overtly. People are telling me about Harris signs popping up in places they have never seen them before, and it takes nerve to put up signs, because it can make you a target of Trump supporters. There is a large Harris sign near a freeway ramp that was vandalized with red spray paint - but that says more about the Trump folks than anything else. Texas has been declared a "red" state but it is actually purple - the 9 largest urban counties are all blue, but with 250+ counties in the state there is a lot of rural red voting we have to compensate for. I'm in a county that recently was declared the "most conservative GOP county in the country" - but Biden won here in 2020. Turning off the social media accounts that pump nonstop memes and photos of people with "I Voted" stickers. Looking for ways to help get voters to the polls (volunteer to drive folks) in the next few days of early voting and then on Tuesday, Nov. 5. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 28 Oct 24 - 10:20 PM I'm happy to see that Elon Musk and his super PAC is being sued by the Philadelphia DA over his $1M sweepstakes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Oct 24 - 03:27 AM Here’s a review in The Guardian of last night’s BBC ‘Panorama’ presentation, ‘Trump - A Second Chance?’. I watched the programme and was gobsmacked and horrified. I would recommend US-ers to watch it, if they can get it over there - it’s available on the BBC iPlayer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:04 AM It's too depressing BWM and will make no difference at this stage. Not sticking my head in the sand just wanting to retain some hope for next Tuesday! |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:48 AM Results will not be final on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thur... Hijinks will come from Arizona, Georgia, M... CHEETO WILL DECLARE VICTORY before the biscuits are baked. Harris can not lose Pennsylvania. If she does lose PA she won't reach 270 and Trump will probably win. That scenario does not include surprises. Although hate hits quickly and joy arrives late, I refuse to see the USA as mostly NAZI. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:14 AM Me too, Dave, but it was an intriguing insight into how tRumpism has got into the heads of the very people you would expect to detest him the most. Fingers crossed he’ll be just a bad memory by the end of next week. But I’m not holding my breath, I think the show’s only just beginning, judging by what happened last time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:49 AM A very well done parody to cheer us up in the meanwhile Confounds the Science Enjoy :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 24 - 09:55 AM Are you whining so you can be sure other people as unhappy as you are? We all know what the stakes are here. Stop watching the videos, let us get on with our work. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:02 AM Dave, Randy Rainbow has Trump covered going back years. Enjoy! |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Mrrzy Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:07 AM One week |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:12 AM Oh, look! A Parody of Queen - "Bohemian Trumpsody" by the Marsh Family. Posted yesterday with the following text: Oct. 28, 2024 WOKING |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:41 AM to dads who like Trump You, who are on the road Learned a code you tried to live by It came from your radio It seemed like a familiar hello Teach your children well Their father's hell is based on Fox lies The ones believed just made us all cry The Trump Church of cheat and steal makes deeper wounds and may never ever heal. … Don't you ever ask them why If they told you, it sounds cruel So just look at them and sigh And know they were fooled … And you, of tender years Can't know the tears your elders cried Help them lose their fears The lies they learned may someday die … Teach your parents well Your passed-down hell is partly their fault They fed you on their dreams The one they picked is from an old vault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Oct 24 - 10:46 AM ”Are you whining so you can be sure other people as unhappy as you are? We all know what the stakes are here. Stop watching the videos, let us get on with our work.” Well if that piece of uncalled-for snot was aimed at me, then I would remind you that this is a discussion forum and, as a Moderator, you should be encouraging open, civil discussion, not trying to close it down. You should hang your head in shame. BTW, It wasn’t a ‘video’, it was a Prime-time program on our National Broadcaster, the BBC’s, long-running investigative series, ‘Panorama’. Educate yourself, Google it. And the only one whining around here is the one trying to silence everyone who doesn’t fall in line with her head-in-the-sand stance, and failing to understand that nothing we say on a tiny, minority-interest internet forum will have any effect whatsoever on the outcome of the election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Oct 24 - 11:03 AM Love the Bohemian Rhapsody parody. The Marsh Family are great :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:17 PM Harris delivers her closing argument today on the ellipse in DC. Around the ellipse is now an unscalable wall and snipers with assault weapons. Some polling places now have new walls and bulletproof glass thanks to you know who. An open society is being transformed into walls and barbed wire like Jerusalem. It is now common to see machine guns in the hands of black uniform soldiers at BWI airport. Is the peaceful transfer of power gone? It was gone in 1968 when we lost JFK, MLK, and RFK. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Helen Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:26 PM Calm those ruffled feathers, BWM. LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:36 PM A chink has appeared in the solid wall of silence from the Bush Family: Dubya's daughter Barbara has endorsed Harris. Now if her mother would also speak up. And perhaps Michelle Obama could coax George into joining her on stage and repudiating Trump. Barbara Pierce Bush, the daughter of former President George W. Bush and granddaughter of former President George H.W. Bush, spent part of her weekend in Pennsylvania campaigning for Vice President Kamala Harris with just days to go before the 2024 presidential election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:47 PM Here's an editorial from Rebecca Solnit in support of donations to The Guardian. Solnit is the author of, among other books, Men Explain Things To Me. When you hear or read the term "Mansplaining," it's a reference to her main essay.
She is absolutely correct - American media has done a crap job of holding Trump accountable for his behavior. |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Bill D Date: 29 Oct 24 - 02:49 PM The Trump and Vance parodies hit all the nails on the head, but I have no idea what Bohemian Rhapsody and such are. I don't follow R&R music, and to me, those 'tunes' are just atonal, chanted blank verse. I'm glad for anything that pokes serious fun at those GOP clowns, but since I don't need to be convinced, I'll stick to funny memes. YMMV |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Oct 24 - 05:40 PM You have no idea what Bohemian Rhapsody is? Definitely not R&R. Probably old enough to be folk now :-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: American Presidential race 2024 From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 24 - 07:11 PM Bill is a virtual simulation of a pure folk fan. BUT HE IS A KIND SOUL. I am surprised this Oct. that Donald committed political 'sewercide' at Madison Square Garden by climbing to the top of his ego and leaping off into Puerto Rico. Ironically Harris was at a PR restaurant as Trump lept. Never before has PR been this close to the center of a Presidential election. It mobilized many PR celebrities, PA, and other swing states for Harris. In real estate, it is location, location, location. In politics it is timing. Tonight Harris is using location and timing. |
