BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?

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From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 08:55 AM

He's still trying to make sense of that prompt card that said "710"

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:15 AM

*LOL*

There is a cartoon about that, Foolstroupe...you seen it too?

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:34 AM

Don't remember that cartoon...

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 10:48 AM

This Thread is a true insight into the insular mentality of the people of the US, the figures for the US dead are quoted and lamented upon, it dosen`t seem to matter one damm about the countless dead of Vietnam, Iraq,Afghanistan, not one word of symapathy expressed in this Thread for the citizens of these countries invaded by warmongering murderers.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:12 AM

ard mhacha, some aspects of the carnage are just too wrenching to dwell upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: GUEST,Mousey McConville
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:53 AM

Well said ard mhacha.

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From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:26 PM

How can we know how many are dead on the other side?

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:30 PM

Please explain who (or even what) 'the other side' is.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 02:44 PM

Ard Mhacha's comments (accusations) remind me of the time in the late Sixties when I was working at a radio station as an announcer and newscaster. One of the stories I read in the top-of-the-hour news had to do with casualties in the Vietnam war. The copy had come off the teletype (Associated Press, as I recall), and I read the story in the standard, matter-of-fact newscaster's manner. Even though I was appalled by the facts presented, I read the copy straight and made no comments of my own. I did not editorialize, which, of course, I was not supposed to do.

A moment or two later, the phone rang (it was a weekend and I was alone in the station). It was a listener. He was furious with me for not having an emotional breakdown over the story and sobbing into the microphone. "Cold fish bastard!" was one of the many colorful things he called me.

Only a few weeks before, a very dear friend of mine, a medivac helicopter pilot, was killed when his helicopter, filled with wounded he was trying to transport to safety, was shot down.

I am sorry if the listener who called was also suffering a personal tragedy because of the Vietnam war but he had no idea of my own emotional reaction to that story, and he had a lot of gall to assume that he did.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 03:03 PM

Foolestroupe,

THIS

-is what I was referring to.

As I'd seen it recently, I made an incorrect guess that you had too.

Sorry for any confusion!

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 04:22 PM

I think what ard mhacha is saying that America continues to send it's murderers in uniform to far off lands to slay thousands of people and all we hear through the media is quickly passed over figures of dead. He is right, America sends these drugged up, beefed up guys in on open- licence to kill. Then they wonder why they become a target at home.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 04:28 PM

I've never talked to anyone who was in Nam who thought it was worth it. How could it be? We lost 58000 young Americans, for what?

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 05:16 PM

We are staying the course
we are walking the walk
we are talking the talk
we are gonna smoke em out
we are on point.
we are done with major hostilities
and celebrating Mission Accomplished
we are gonna finish the mission
we are gonna make sure none of our troops will have died in vain.

To do this of course we will have to maintain a perpetual war.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 05:59 PM

You're just not talking to the right people. Kendall. There's plenty of 'em out there- check this out for example:
http://www.leatherneck.com
Their "forums" are a real eye opener.

And then there's the Republican Chickenhawks.....

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: kendall
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 09:41 PM

Why do people have such an aversion to admitting being wrong? It doesn't hurt, and it doesn't deminish you as a human being. All it does is make you look silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Aug 06 - 11:42 PM

Donuel has it right. We gotta make sure the troops haven't died in vain--the only way to do that is perpetual war.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 03:36 AM

Very well put Kendall!

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: GUEST,George says I shouldn't be a citizen
Date: 30 Aug 06 - 04:19 AM

Who's fighting over there? Iraq has suicide bombers, the US has suicide baptists.

The bombers, the baptists and Bush all think they go to a heaven, sleep with virgins and get to beat their wives in peace forever.

Same god gene defect. The entire middle east and the US south and mid-west originally were and remain populated with marginally sentient delusional religious psychopaths. But I repeat myself.

So all the religious in the US are happy, smug, and apparently waiting around for some god to some day bless them with the brains to understand how to use a computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: DougR
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:16 AM

I think time will tell whether it was worth it or not. If the Bush plan works, it will have been woth it. If it does not, it will not have been.

No one is happy that 2500 plus American military lives have been lost in the past four years. Anybody know how many American military lives were lost in one week during Battle of the Bulge? Was it worth it?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 12:33 AM

Problem is the "Bush plan" is the "War on Terror". It will never be "over"--therefore never "work".

And what's more, he's responsible for quite a bit of the anti-Western attitude now seen in terror attacks all over the world. If you read virtually any article with quotes by angry Moslems, the Iraq war is almost always cited.   Bush's war--unnecessary, his war by choice, and only supported by the US public due to a despicable propaganda campaign his regime used to stoke war fever and justify the attack on Iraq.

And by doing so he squandered the good will of most of the world--which had even supported the Afghanistan campaign--e.g. the French--and a good many US liberals.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: kendall
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 07:25 AM

Doug, what you have there is apples and oranges.

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From: Epona
Date: 31 Aug 06 - 11:42 PM

This American doesn't think it's worth it. I have too many of my soldiers recovering from injuries that can't be fixed with some motrin and badge.

E

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 10:09 AM

Painting with a pretty broad brush there aren't we?

Sure there are drug users in the military, we are after all volunteers from the whole of the US and some foreign nations as well.
But drugged up, beefed up, (might as well say Jack Booted Thugs)with an open license to kill? Yes there have been illegal massacres of unarmed civilians and there have been attempts to cover them up. There's no denying that. But your just spouting hate filled propaganda against all of the troops instead of those that have actually committed these attrocities.

Again, it's not worth it. And again I would say that the majority of our troops are decent folks. And after 18 years of service I can tell you that I have only known three people that were doing drugs. Two were cocaine (and it was fairly obvious). The other was marijuana and the service person admitted to it before the sample was even processed.

But go ahead and slander our troops from the safe comfy chair behind your computer. It sure as hell won't hurt them.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Clifton53
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 12:50 PM

Spot on Chief, of course, there are no drug users outside of the military now is there?? And if you are a soldier, you'd better be gung ho or there is little chance you'll make it through.

Besides, there ain't too many souls outside the states that give a fuck what we think so it's just another spew thread populated by the usual snipers that live in this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Don Firth
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 01:13 PM

Donuel quotes above,

We are staying the course
we are walking the walk
we are talking the talk
we are gonna smoke em out
we are on point.
we are done with major hostilities
and celebrating Mission Accomplished
we are gonna finish the mission
we are gonna make sure none of our troops will have died in vain.

The following has been oft quoted in these threads, but it is still apt. Especially applicable to current American foreign policy:

What is the definition of insanity? Is it doing the same thing over and over, each time expecting a different result.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Do Americans think it's worth it ?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 06 - 01:25 PM

No one is happy that 2500 plus American military lives have been lost in the past four years...

I dunno about that, Douggie: to the BuShites, 2500+ dead is "Just A Number". No big deal.