BS: The White Angle Saxon Male

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 10:54 AM

Both these changes mean exactly the same thing as the original. Exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 01:47 PM

But they don't scan.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 11:07 PM

I dont give a fuck. dont be a stupid cunt

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Peace
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 11:14 PM

Bad day?

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Stringsinger
Date: 11 Sep 09 - 11:49 PM

The White Anglo-Saxon Male has been the dominant figure in the subjugation of the
entire world. No, Jewish doesn't fit. Nor Celtic nor any other specious substitution for
Bogle's song.

The WASM is responsible for global warming, illegal wars, authoritarian dogma, child abuse,
the subjugation of women, white citizen's councils, the KKK and countless other crimes.

It's time for the world to change. Perhaps intermarriage will help. But the WASM has had his day and it's time for him to move over and allow the rest of the world to have a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 12:00 AM

Whoever said above that 'an Anglo' did somethin-or-other got it wrong.

Any Catter knows that an Anglo is an organism that makes a different sorta squeal depending which way you squeeze it - like many a Female [white, black, brown pinko-grey or whatever] that we have all met sometime or other.

Right, guys?

[Did I say 'organism' or 'orgasm'?] Oh, whatever...

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: meself
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 01:41 AM

As a W(at least half)ASM, I don't feel even half "responsible for global warming, illegal wars, authoritarian dogma, child abuse,
the subjugation of women, white citizen's councils, the KKK and countless other crimes" - and I ain't movin' over for nobody.

But that's just me, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Peace
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 01:50 AM

It ain't just you, meself. I'll join you in that remark.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Gurney
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 03:00 AM

Meself, right up at the top, asked about BLACK Anglo-Saxon Males.

I feel that if any W.A.S.M.'s W.A.S. wife has a black child, it is a grudge baby.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Penguin Egg
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 05:04 AM

Sorry about my rudeness, McGrath. I was drunk.
The point I was making that the song is a racist rant againt an ethnic group, namely the English. That is why I changed the words .. to make a point. If he is talking about white people, he should say white people, but he didn't, and Bogle knows what he is doing.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 12:06 PM

The Capitol Steps did a wonderful song about the near extinction of the species in a take-off of "You Don't Bring Me Flowers" about eight years ago. The lyric appears not to be available on the internet, but it's a piece about hyper PC.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Jim McLean
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 03:41 PM

I agree with Ron Davis totally. The lyrics in this song are extremely clever and show Eric Bogle is a master wordsmith. His satire has obviously escaped a lot of people but the weakness (strength?) of this type of song, like the old Polish jokes, can be converted to suit any society. Being Celtic, of course, I have no axe to grind.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 05:23 PM

We go down and watch the Capitol Steps live on occaision and make sure to get their new releases. While suffering the loss of one of their best members they are real troop[ers. They can still be brand new and rise above the formulas they have brought up to an art form.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 05:41 AM

Where is the satire. It is a racist rant, nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 03:13 PM

I find the song to be completely hilarious and that's what Eric Bogle intended in the first place
But you do have to have a sense of humour to throughly appreciate it.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Allan Connochie
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 06:10 PM

"It is a racist rant, nothing more"

I'm still trying to work that one out! How on earth can it be racist? He's surely basically singing about people like himself!

Allan

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 07:13 PM

"But you do have to have a sense of humour to throughly appreciate it."

amen.... 'racist' is such an overused and abused term these days.

"I don't get it, and he makes remarks referencing MY group, so it must be racist."


Penguin Egg...if everything 'someone' calls racist or non-PC were banned, we'd have very little to read.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Folk Form # 1
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 03:31 AM

He is not talking about white people. He is talking about white anglo saxons ie English. He is a celt ie a Scot.

This has been on the cards for some time. Think of Kissing English Arse Blues or the nationalist symbols on his album.

Bill D. I am not suggesting that this song should be banned. I am suggesting that we should recognise for what it is.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: allanc
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 07:52 AM

"He is talking about white anglo saxons ie English. He is a celt ie a Scot"

This is totally silly. If he was talking about the English he would have said that. The term "White Anglo-Saxon Male" doesn't just refer to English people and it never has. It is being used as a generic term to describe the typical stereotype of a British or probably in this case Australian male. Likewise the pre-fix Anglo when used in a modern sense refers to Britain or the UK not just England.

By the way Bogle comes from the Scottish Borders as do I. Do you really think that 'racially' people in Cornhill are regarded as Anglo-Saxons whilst those in Coldstream just across the Tweed are Celts? Different nationality yes but it is perceived as one lot being descended solely from one set of dark age peoples and the other a different lot. It is absurd to imagine there would such a thing as someone descended 100% from Anglo-Saxons or whatever else. Plus anyway the Borders was part of the Anglian kingdom of Northumberland anyway and the dialect Bogle would have naturally spoken in his youth, and has been spoken in one form or another here for about 1500 years, is descended from an old Anglo-Saxon dialect.

Scotland is a Celtic nation yes in the modern sense that the non-English countries in these islands regard themselves as that. Celtic in that regard is not the same as being somehow racially Celtic dscended from only Celts and racially the same as the Welsh but distinct from the English. Scots are descended from Britons (both Cumbric and Pictish) as well as Anglians, Norse, Irish, Anglo-Norman, and a host of more recent arrivals.

You are looking for racism and finding what you want. The song is obviously a comical song about the loss of male self confidence in society. Nothing more.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 11:15 AM

"The WASM is responsible for global warming, illegal wars, authoritarian dogma, child abuse,
the subjugation of women, white citizen's councils, the KKK and countless other crimes." says Stringsinger

All I can say is that I am with "meself" and "Peace", I do not feel in anyway guilty of, or responsible for any of the above. I just hope that "Stringsinger" manages to live with the "guilt" he obviously feels, but then I suppose he's one of those ejits who things saying "Sorry" wipes the slate clean.

Global Warming: - Because of the industrial revolution?? Mankind might well have starved without it.

Illegal Wars: - No idea there was any "racial" or "ethnic" monopoly on that particular activity.

Authoritarian Dogma: - Roman Catholic Church of the 15th & 16th centuries springs to mind but their beliefs were strongly challenged particularly by WASM's if memory serves me correctly. Now how about Islam and the Koran?? Dogmatic and Authoritarian enough for you "Stringsinger"??

Child Abuse: - Never knew that WASM's invented this or held a monopoly on it, any substantiation for that "Stringsinger"??

Subjugation of Women: - Greatest accomplishment of the 20th Century was the reverse of this - Led by the peoples of the West. Now tell how liberated and free from "subjugation" the women of the followers of Islam are "Stringsinger" - and they most certainly did not learn it from us.

White Citizens Councils: - Never heard of them.

The KKK: - ??? I though that the symbolism they used was particularly "Celtic" in nature. A "Burning" or "Fierey" Cross never had any significance to any WASM as far as I am aware.

I will wait until you dream up the other "countless other crimes" before responding.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 11:31 AM

Recognise it for what itis, eh? What it is, is a lovely piee of satire. The English have a great(?) record for picking on other people with their humour, but now the shoe is on the other foot,it appears to be completely different. Suck it up and recognise humour when you see it.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: Jim McLean
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 01:47 PM

I am far from happy when I hear/read the word Anglo to mean British. When England plays Scotland at football/rugby it is called an Anglo-Scottish match. Likewise with Ireland we have an Anglo-Irish game but suddenly when the British government get involved Anglo-Irish means British-Irish. Anglophilia means the love of all things specifically English but using Anglo to mean British is, I think, a continuation of the believe that England/Britain are one and the same.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Allan Connochie
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 07:18 PM

"I am far from happy when I hear the word Anglo to mean British"

You are quite right of course there could be much better and more inclusive adjectivs to use and British-Irish Agreement makes much more sense than Anglo-Irish Agreement. Likewise Bogle could have used his imagination and come up with something other than White Anglo-Saxon Male to use. Though I suppose he probably thought that everyone would know what he meant by it and "White English Speaking Male from Britain or Former Colonies" is a bit of an earful :-)

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 07:26 PM

Yes but British would then not only include the English, but also the Welsh and The Scots, when I hear Anglo-Saxon, I think English Celt, Gael, Anglo-Saxon. Bogle used his imagination didn't he, he knew how people were going to react to the song. Remember.....sense of humour

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: mg
Date: 14 Sep 09 - 08:26 PM

What have most white anglo-saxon males done? If you can even find any. Small farmers, grocers, ..perhaps coal mining although that was certainly done by many Cornish and Welsh (Polish, Ukranian etc.). In US -- oh you might find some (loosely defined..they tend to be of Scots Irish persuasion) in Appalachia, coal mining. In US much farming was done by Germans, Dutch, but they are not Anglo-Saxon.

Anyway, most white men have had lives of quiet desparation. Listen to some of the songs we sing..they fell off tall ships into the ocean. They worked on cattle drives. Most probably died with little or no money. Many were on skid roads.

Some went out and lorded it over people. But probably not most. Certainly not all. They might have had non-Anglo Saxons lording it over them. They might have had to pay off the Mafia to run a little store in New Jersey. They might have lost everything in the dust storms.

Meanness toward any group is not becoming or adult even. Belongs in junior high schools..no, not really..it should be stomped out there too. mg

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Allan Connochie
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 03:24 AM

"Bogle knew how people were going to react to the song"

I don't personally think Bogle would have thought some people would view it as anti-English. I imagine he'd be pretty amused that they'd even suggest that. I suspect it is written about males in his own adopted Australian society but could equally apply to Britain (not just England) or any other English speaking part fo the world.

Subject: RE: BS: The White Angle Saxon Male
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 15 Sep 09 - 03:47 AM

"The English have a great(?) record for picking on other people with their humour" - longboat

If they, the English/British, call it as you will, have any one "national" characteristic longboat it is their proven ability and propensity to laugh at themselves. Masses of extremely successful comedy material that has sold internationally stand testament to that.

"Yes but British would then not only include the English, but also the Welsh and The Scots," - longboat

It would, strictly speaking, both geographically and part-politically, also include the Irish, the island of Ireland being part of the geographical group of islands known as the British Isles and that there is no such country in the political sense as Great Britain, it is accurately described as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

As for Bogle's song it is humourous and should be viewed as such, if the words of the song upset you, then rest easy with this thought - You cannot have much to worry you in life so enjoy it.