BS: Jim Carroll should stay

Subject: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 12:32 PM

Jim knows more about our music than most of us together.
Music is Mudcat's raison d'etre, and BS just an add on.

Please add your encouragements to stay here.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 01:01 PM

Keith - What a good loyal pal.. here's a link for you...

https://www.change.org/start-a-petition

"On Change.org, people everywhere are starting campaigns, mobilising supporters, and working with decision makers to drive solutions."

You can mobilise millions to persuade Jim to stay...


As long as we don't have to wear fancy dress and hang around the streets with clip boards and collection buckets...
I suppose I could volunteer to be the South West regional organiser of your campaign...

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 01:45 PM

Well I'd like him to stay, but of course he must decide for himself how he's feeling. He's already said he'll be along from time to time, which is good news. I liked Jim.

Ooooh punkfolkrocker, I WANT to wear fancy dress! Please may I come dressed as a cat perhaps? In a furry jumpsuit with a tail attached?
(I did think of being a giant crumpet, but couldn't work out how to make the costume...)

My husband has just said, "You could go as a fat old lady. That wouldn't need any costume at all!" Cheeky bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 01:52 PM

I was invited to a fancy dress party. The host asked me what I was coming as. I told him I was coming as a Mediterranean island.

Don't be Sicily," he retorted.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 02:20 PM

Perhaps you were being a bit Capri-cious Steve!

Did they serve Sardinia sandwiches at the party?

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 02:35 PM

I would love Jim to stay. I don't always agree with him, and I don't always agree with Keith, but I would hate for either to be driven away.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 02:46 PM

Much as I argue with him, I really would prefer to see him back.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 03:00 PM

You want him to stay so you can keep fighting and closing down various topical threads when they turn into a series of ad hominem insults? None of us has any dispute with his musical knowledge, he's second to none in that area. But who would you fight with in the BS section if he leaves? If you can't control your impulse to push every hot button you know he possesses, you have only yourself to blame.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 03:01 PM

"Did they serve Sardinia sandwiches at the party?"He meant Scilly - scilly!
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 03:53 PM

I went to a fancy dress carrying a girl on my back. The host asked what I was. "A ninja turtle" said I.

"Who is that you are carrying then?"

"Michelle" ...

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:02 PM

I thought that one was going to the fancy dress party with a naked girl on your back.

"What have you come as?"

"A turtle!"

"So what's that naked girl doing on your back?"

"That's Michelle!"

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:04 PM

Hahahahaaaaaa!!! The TV is rotten this evening, but I'm so enjoying all these jokes!

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:06 PM

Acme - what... Keith is being insincere...???... I'm shocked...!!!

I was just in the process of getting "Keith says his pal Jim should stay" campaign T shirts ordered and printed..

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:51 PM

My mate Mike went to a fancy dress covered by a red sheet with just his head painted white and showing. He went as a boil. Doesn't really work until I tell you about the mouth full of custard...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 04:52 PM

Sorry Jim, this should be about you - Please stay!

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 05:05 PM

I went to a fancy dress party wearing nothing except a fancy ribbon round my left testicle.

What the hell do you think you're doing!" exclaimed the host.

"Oops, sorry," I said, "I thought you said fancy dress ball..."

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 05:07 PM

And Jim knows what I think already!

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: meself
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 06:21 PM

Yeah, I'd like to see the man stick around - apart from anything else, he's a tremendous resource on the musical stuff. Jim, if you're reading: maybe just take a little break; most of us do when it's taking more out of us than it should .....

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 07:09 PM

It isn't Jim who needs to take a bloody break.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 10:00 PM

The lightning rod effect of having posted moderator remarks under my own account is that now we have a drop-in troll starting new threads to make accusations about the inner-workings of this site as if I have something to do with the decisions surrounding Jim and the combatants who come here to fight with him. I would like to see less fighting, and given my drothers, there are some always-fighting members I'd like to see take a hiatus, at the very least. But I can't and won't do that all by myself. This is a group of volunteers who work at mudcat first and foremost because we're interested in the music. And some of us hold our noses and wade around in the BS section to remove spam and the worst of the fighting. Occasionally enough of us concur on the bad behavior of a member and remove them from the membership. We don't always agree on that, and a couple of the worst offenders now are here because we haven't convinced enough moderators that they should go. Those who were kicked out are still able to participate as guests in the music section. I'm guessing the posts from "Publius" are exactly that - posts from someone who was kicked out or never allowed to join.

Posts that speculate about moderation at Mudcat, that make spurious claims against the volunteers here, and that keep fights going just to fight are not allowed. And when the perpetrator is too pushy the thread is closed and sometimes that individual is put in an IP time out.

Jim Carroll should stay.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 10:07 PM

Ditto. I argue with Jim all the time, but I really like him.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jun 18 - 10:23 PM

Jim should have been awarded a Queens honours for services to British folk music,
so he could tell her where to shove it......


btw.. Jim don't you dare let us down and accept a knighthood...

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 03:23 AM

This really is extremely embarrassing - not to say, very moving
I really am thinking hard about it -
I really would miss being here; being able to discuss with you people, both sides of the line, has extended my understanding of subjects that interest and involve me to a degree I wouldn't have thought possible - part of a learning-curve.
Mudcat has become a bit like Brer Rabbit's Tar Baby
If only we could learn to talk to each other without driving others away..
"The TV is rotten this evening,"
The climax to 'Patrick Melrose' and a new 'Poldark' - wash yo' mouf out girl' - speaking of which...
"mouth full of custard..."
Minnie Driver tells a great one about that in 'Good Will Hunting'
I'd love to join in the jokes about fancy dress parties, but I'm afraid some of you you are not ready for mine (miss-spent youth)
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:41 AM

Hahahaha Jim! I must be the only woman in Britain who has no interest at all in Poldark. Apparently, they're all swooning over the chap and his bare, hairy chest.

Myself, I fancy that black French teacher on the teaching recruitment advert. And Usain Bolt. Also Mo Farah. But they aren't on the TV much.
sigh..

PS Please please stay. I'd miss you a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:49 AM

"hairy chest."
Is that how you see us - hmmm!!
Not just pretty whatsits
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 06:11 AM

Nah, Jim, hairy chests do nothing for me! My husband has only got hairs on his chin (small beard).

I've always found African men absolutely gorgeous. (swoons)

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 06:44 AM

There are few who are as unabashed as Jim. Its as though he has nothing to lose except the truth. It may be his truth but so what?

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 07:31 AM

"Nah, Jim, hairy chests do nothing for me!"
Some of my finest women had hairy chests
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 07:34 AM

Pwaaaaagh!

You'd better NOT leave Jim. You've made my day now!! tee hee

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:10 AM

The union makes us strong.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: wysiwyg
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:39 AM

As one who has left many times (loudly or quietly at different times), my advice would be to just let the man have his break without all this fuss. The operative word there being BREAK, which reminds me that perhaps during said hiatus he can cultivate the all-important *paragraph break*. Line after line of text without white space between short paragraphs can come across as close-minded ranting (the same way all caps can make people feel shouted at). In today's pace of communication, most of us handle paragraphs of 2-3 sentences better than a page of Eben the most cogent thinking. Just to illustrate I'll say it again, adding that white space.
.
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As one who has left many times (loudly or quietly at different times), my advice would be to just let the man have his break without all this fuss.

The operative word there being BREAK, which reminds me that perhaps during said hiatus he can cultivate the all-important *paragraph break.* Line after line of text without white space between short paragraphs can come across as closed-minded ranting (the same way all caps can make people feel shouted at).

In today's pace of communication, most of us handle paragraphs of 2-3 sentences better than a page of even the most cogent thinking.

When using a typewriter or word processor for printed matter (just as with newspapers/magazines), indenting a new 'graph without an added blank line saves paper/filing space. But on-screen, it's very hard to read!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:51 AM

What has been happening on this forum?

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:51 AM

Sorry people - just plunged into the deep-end on another thread - I'll lie awake worrying about principles for a couple of nights
Many thanks to you all - now where's that hairy chested woman I left on the boil !
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 11:27 AM

"where's that hairy chested woman I left on the boil"

now that should have been a 1940s western swing chart hit...

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 12:23 PM

How's about these then?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Will Fly
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 12:27 PM

A break from the Mudcat BS section is always a good idea. I post down here only occasionally, and then on what I hope are non-contentious threads - because I get fed up with the constant bickering, name-calling and general bullshit.

However I might appear on here, I also have very strong social and political views - not necessarily always pro-right or pro-left. But I prefer to keep them to myself rather than air them on a forum where people constantly argue from fixed positions which never, ever change, revert to insult rather than reason, and get sucked into acrimony at the drop of a post.

The reason to be part of Mudcat - for me - is for its huge fund of marvellous musical knowledge. And that's well above the line.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 02:40 PM

Hi Will

That is also my view. But you put it better than I would.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:33 PM

Susan, please don't castigate people who post without paragraph breaks, etc. Just read what they've said, or ignore it if you prefer. There are no rules, seriously. I'm biased, of course, as continuous prose is also my style. I'm fed up of people nitpicking about my style of posting and I think that such silliness gets us nowhere at all. End, mercifully, of short, paragraph-innocent rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:48 PM

I rather like people's individual styles of posting. I don't feel there should be one standard format.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 04:55 PM

Alleluia!

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 05:06 PM

These dyslexic eyes find that solid block of text almost impossible to read.

My two cents.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 06:56 PM

Try harder. It's the way our ideas flow, so live with it or just ignore. Copy and paste our dense efforts into another program and insert your own spaces. You won't do that, of course. We're not important enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 08:44 PM

What's all this hairy chest stuff? Is Jim Carroll becoming a sex object?

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jun 18 - 10:55 PM

Let's put it this way - if Jim, knowing that people have trouble reading concentrated blocks of text, wants people to more closely read what he writes, he'll have the courtesy of inserting a few line breaks.

It's up to him. More air on the page, more readers.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: BobL
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:20 AM

Am I alone in having the opposite problem? I find text almost impossible to follow if it's broken up by blank lines after every sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:41 AM

"a few line breaks."
I'm extremely grateful for being reminded of this - it has been commented on before
I usually write during breaks from something else - transcribing tapes, annotating songs, organising sound files.... we have just bequeathed our collection to Limerick University and don't want them to have to sort out the mess of forty-odd years work
My contributions tend to be a hurried knee-jerk reaction to something that has come up
To tell the truth, I'm never sure who reads what I write so quite often I write for myself - doesn't everybody do that to a degree ?
Must try harder

"Is Jim Carroll becoming a sex object?"
Not again, surely Joe !!!
Joe Heaney once told us during a conversation in a tatty Euston cafe after a night at the Singers Club "It takes me all night to do what I used to do all night"
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 03:50 AM

Since Jim likes women with hairy chests, I might buy one of those kinky swimsuits that Dave the Gnome showed us on his link. My husband however would fall to the floor in a dead faint.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:03 AM

"Since Jim likes women with hairy chests,"
Used to Sen - I'm afraid I concur with Joe Heaney
As the older men around here say "It's all gone up into the head now"
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:17 AM

I'd suggest that those people who can cope only with broken-up text have been reading too many tabloids. When it comes to deciding what I'm going to read here, a quick look at the author's name at the top of the post is often sufficient.

Subject: RE: BS: Jim Carroll should stay
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jun 18 - 05:28 AM

"Hairy Chests"
Our late friend, fiddle player Bobby Casey, was once asked the title of one of his compositions
THIS WAS HIS REPLY
Jim