BS: What if there was no Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 12:12 PM

Mister Rogers' Neighborhood was taped. All the segments of the show were taped (past plural).

It would have been different if they were taped in North Philly, though.

A

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: kendall
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:01 PM

I've ofter wondered about this word "extra ordinary"

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: MMario
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:14 PM

What have you wondered about it?

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Rapparee
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:22 PM

I was out shopping and there certainly were a lot of people at Sears!

We were out shopping at Sears and Sandra was there.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:29 PM

I would have died two years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 02:44 PM

IF you were dead you wouldn't have seen what was at Sears, unless you were floating around disincarnate. It would be fun if you were, but how would we know you were?

A

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 02:56 PM

If there wuz no wuzzy fuzzy does that mean there were no fuzzy wuzzy bears??

I know it's very Shtoopid of me ... and I apologise for the drift.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 03:25 PM

I would take up smoking grass.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 03:28 PM

Actually I've got a bottle of cheap port in a paper bag ... going up to the Town square and sing some Xmas carols in a very loud manner.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 07:48 PM

You say "you were" in speaking to a single person.

But in strictly gramatical terms, "you" is a plural form.
........

No Mudcat? I'd probably see the Internet as a useful, but essentially sterile and impersonal thing.

Or perhaps I'd have kept on searching around and found some site I've never come across that would change my mind. But I haven't found anything yet to come within reach of matching the Cat as an online community.

And I'd be a lot poorer when it came to songs, including a fair number of ones I wouldn't ever have written.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 08:43 PM

Perhaps, "Woe am I" ...

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 09:18 PM

If there were no Mudcat?

William Shatner's annual royalties would decline by approximately 0.00000019 of a per cent.

Serious stuff. Thank God for Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 07:39 AM

Someone would have to invent it.

All Hail St Max

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 08:28 AM

I asked Max at the Getaway if he knew what he had created.

My life would be totally different without the 'Cat. As a result of this site I found a man I wanted to marry, moved 3000 miles to another country, and now have friends all around the world, many of whom I have now met face to face. My knowledge of folk music has also increased beyond any thing I could have dreamed.

All hail St Max indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Janie
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 02:09 PM

If there were no Mudcat (and no FSGW Getaway) I would still be thinking secretly that I have a voice but would not have begun to find it. I would be on the computer a lot less. My life is certainly richer for hearing from so many people around the world about so many different things.

I joined a couple of gardening forums about the same time I joined up here, (some of you know that gardening is even more important to me than music) but I find I rarely visit them--I even prefer the gardening threads here more than on the gardening sites. That may be because I am drawn to gardening and music for the same reasons--art, creativity, food for the soul---and the garden discussions on Mudcat are more likely to focus on that instead of technical aspects or one-upsmanship on the size of one's tomatoes.

I like to think that if Mudcat never was, or if I had never discovered it, that something of equal value and pleasure would be in my life instead, but I am very happy to have this cyber-home and a big cyber-family.

Peace and joy,

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: MMario
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 02:12 PM

Janie - I never noticed anything wrong with the size of your tomatoes....


whoops! I actually typed that, didn't I?


ducking and running...

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 03:26 PM


If there were no Mudcat ......Martin Gibson would have to find another group of people to annoy

Wow, I can just imagine a newsgroup with Gibson and Doug Bollen (rabid leftie pain on usenet) going head to head.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 06 Dec 05 - 06:08 PM

Oh there is so much I would have missed. MC taught me how to access the internet for information about folk music and related topics. With the DT, I would have missed a valuable resource of lyrics.

But more than that, MC has become a central part of my life. It helped me to connect with FSGW. The Getaway has become a "must go" annual event for me.

I've been to some great music parties I would not have known about. I still cannot believe how many wonderful folk singers I met at Barry Finn's house. I miss Annamil's get togethers.

I have come to know many people I may never meet face-to-face. Yet, when they are sick or when they pass away, I cry as if they were a close friend.

It is difficult to imagine all that Max has done to keep this site functioning for so long. Thanks, again, Max. I know there are Max clones out there who occasionally censor a thread, but there remains an incredible freedom to say what you wish on this site. I think that is why there seem to be as many BS threads as music threads.

I also think the Max has learned much from this site. He has certainly grown musically and I think also personally due to this site.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 04:30 AM

We would have to do what Bush and Blair do just pretend that there is one and look for it !

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 04:34 AM

I just woke up from a terrible nightmare in it I thought there was no such thing as Mudcat! Boy was I screaming and sweating!

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 05:11 AM

If there was no Mudcat, the world would carry on as merrily as if there is one or if there was no other forum. We may enjoy what these places offer but when you start thinking what would you do without them you have a bad addiction.

In other words, yes they can be great and offer new things, good friends have been made, etc. but when you start depending on their existance, you have a problem.

Really it is about the same as we are as people. We may be missed by others, liked, loved, hated, whatever but.

THE INDISPENSIBLE MAN

Some time when you're feeling important,
Some time when your ego's in bloom,
Some time when you take it for granted
You're the best man in the room;

Some time when you feel that your going
would leave an unfilled hole,
Just follow this simple instruction
And see how it humbles your soul.

Take a bucket and fill it with water
Put your hands in it up to your wrist;
Pull them out and the hole that remains
Is a measure of how you'll be missed.

You may splash as you please when you enter;
You may stir up the water galore
But stop and you'll find in a minute,
That it looks just the same as before.

The moral of this is quite simple
Do just the best you can,
Be proud of yourself, but remember;
There is no indispensable man.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 05:23 AM

(speaking as one who has had the addiction)

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST, Topsie
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 06:20 AM

There is more than one question here:

1 What if Mudcat had never existed?

2 (a) What if Mudcat died?

   (b) What if Mudcat died and could not be brought back?

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 06:31 AM

1) I would not have "met" (in a couple of cases in real 3D) people I respect. And I'm pleased the oppertunities came from here.

2) a) life would continue without

b) ditto

I think the key idea is "Indispensible" as opposed to maybe "desirable".

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 06:42 AM

(more than a couple BTW. When I sad that, I was thinking in terms of people not from the UK I could never have bumped into one day, the meeting new people I respect is much wider than that)

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 07:52 AM

Guest Jon, if there were {ha!} no Mudcat, would there have been an Annexe?

If not, I would miss that forum too.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:08 AM

That's an interesting question Azzi. There would have been no Annexe without Mudcat before. Thre also would have been no Annexe is things like the BS spliit existed. It was basicaly an attempt to avoid the rows happening at MC. Though to say   it was also an attempt at me learning some DB stuff is equally fair.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:11 AM

(lack of BS split I mean)

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:29 AM

Biggest Problem I ahd BTW was learning some things made out of money, simply were crap. That say £100000 just wasn't needed unless you wanted to believe that way.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:33 AM

Max did not go bust as a web host and get rightly sued for competence BTW.

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Janie
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 08:44 AM

Lucky for you, MMario that I am a little slow.

LOL!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: What if there was no Mudcat?
From: Pip Freeman
Date: 07 Dec 05 - 09:02 AM

I am posting this as a second opinion as Jon was a bit concerned that he might have appeared nasty to people he genuinely likes and respects.

I very rarely use Mudcat myself, only a brief peep in occasionally, but I continually say thankyou to it and Jon for the setting up of The Annexe and folkinfo. and understand and uphold the reasons for their beginning.
Through the Annexe I have gained good friends and learned a lot, and through folkinfo have gained so much knowledge on folk music.

I hate to be addictively dependant on anything, even chocolates! ;>)

I think small, hate mindless controversy and the speed at which Mudcat moves and it's sheer size, I don't think I would miss Mudcat at all now that I have the Annexe.