BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?

Subject: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:19 AM

A former palace servant has had injunctions slapped on two Brit papers, preventing them publishing allegations by another palace servant. BBC report.

There's a story behind this that's been around for years, involving a servant being caught in bed with one of his masters or mistresses - taking love of the Royal Family a step too far. There is widespread speculation that the details, when they emerge, will rock the monarchy more than any previoius scandal. (As noted in the BBC report, one paper is claiming to have been warned off in writing by a senior Royal. Such personal intervention would be highly unusual.)

Here in the UK the courts still protect us from such sordid revelations, to safeguard our moral fibre. But in the States, where anything goes (except footage of flag-draped coffins) the truth is surely out there. So who is the Royal, or at least which sex is it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Princess Anne
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:47 AM

One more word about me and Dobbin and I'll sue. And why is young Harry a ginge?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:04 AM

There's been quite a few rumours regarding Phil the Greek.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:07 AM

Jon Snow was trying to report the blocked-story last night and was talking to someone saying the matter could be taken before the European Court but it would take years. JS then said 'But half the people involved will be dead by then'. Bit of a faux pas there, Jon, me lad. We are limited to people who are likely to be dead within, say, five-to-ten years....

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:19 AM

We are limited to people who are likely to be dead within, say, five-to-ten years....

These things can be arranged.

But why should bedding the servants be seen as likely to threaten the Royal Family at this late stage? What else is new? So long as the corgis aren't involved of course.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Baker Street Resident
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:28 AM

Elementary ? Maybe, if you read between the lines here...

CLUES ?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,annon
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:30 AM

You think you're safe in here don't you? I can assure you, you are not. My phone has been monitered for about 3 years. This is because I have a friend who has a friend who works in the Home Office. I have spoken to BT and they can't do anything about it. They don't have the authority. Creepy eh?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,rumour
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:46 AM

werent there rumours once that Andrew is not Philips?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Colin the Corgi
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 08:35 AM

One should really be discrete about these matters, but one feels that loyalty should work both ways. After many years of serving HRH faithfully, one was sent to the vet last week. One assumed that it was just the usual trip to have ones claws clipped and blunted, but to ones surprise one was subjected to a humiliating and painful surgical procedure and one is now not the dog one used to be.

One is therefore considering possible disclosures to the press of some very intimate details of ones relationships with the Royal Family. Any offers should include a new home (preferably in ones native Wales) with a diet including an unlimited supply of T-bone steaks, and a complete set of Lassie videos.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 08:46 AM

McG I certainly agree that the mere shagging of a maid, say, wouldn't raise eyebrows after everything else we've heard. But maybe Sherlock's on the right tack. His link goes to an item that certainly makes interesting reading in light of the present court wrangle.

Guest Annon (I'll spell it your way): the inference from your post is that BT has confirmed a tap on your line. Is this so? A few years ago I was fairly well informed on this subject, and though the technology has obviously improved vastly, I am always sceptical about claims that lines are tapped for trivial reasons, simply because there are vastly more efficient ways of gathering intelligence.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:30 AM

It's a bit of a bugger (sorry, no pun intended) if someone - anyone - can't have a bit of nookie with a consenting adult partner of his/her choice in the privacy of his/her own bedroom, without every other nosey-parker on Earth regarding it as their God-given right to read a blow-by-blow (sorry again, still no pun intended) account of proceedings in the press.

It was unfortunate that the servant interrupted their coitus (damn! done it again!) but why couldn't the gobby prat keep his trap shut? Jealousy?? :-)

Johnny

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Red Eye
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:40 AM

From their actions the Royals will now increase speculation of events of a sexual nature.

Three in a bed with the Queen, Phillip and Michael Fagan?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Annon
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 09:51 AM

Yes BT have confirmed that my line is being tested by someone other than themselves. When I was talking to a BT girl in the faults dept., my line was tested by her and then by someone else. Even her blood ran cold. BT have given me a mobile number of someone who is to advise me. If you really do have some knowledge about what might be going on, maybe you could give me some advice.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 10:25 AM

Annon - I'm afraid that you'll just have to tell Mr Husain and Mr Bin Laden that they'll have to find somewhere else to live.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,guest d
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:05 PM

Bet your life the top aide to Prince Charles who was accused of raping Smith the valet was caught in bed with Prince Charles .There was a picture in some of the tabloids earlier this year of prince Charles at a shooting party .Standing very closely - one might say very ,very closely - behind the good prince is an enormous man carrying a shotgun. This picture tended to be shown in the tabloids whenever there was a news item about the rape allegationsn involving a "high ranking member of the prince's staff".
This is all conjecture on my behalf .I checked up on foreign sites yesterday but couldn't find any clues.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,fascinated American
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 12:37 PM

oh, I do say! You Brits have a MUCH more interesting and naughty brand of soap opera that we do here in the colonies- but you pay them rather excessively, I'd say. You know, if you could convince them to put in cameras and do the whole thing as one of those "reality shows" on a pay-per-view basis, you could significantly reduce the national budget!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,rumour
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:06 PM

internet quest seems to support the idea that most people expressing an opinion reckon Fawcett was buggering Prince Charles.
Not sure why that would bring down the monarchy though.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: alanabit
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:10 PM

Speaking as a republican Fionn, I have no more need to know who the Buck House Brigade sleep with than I need to know who you sleep with. One of the most unsavoury aspects of the whole absurd pageantry of royalty is that these talentless toffs are given ridiculous deference on the one hand. On the other hand, no one seems to wish them the basic human rights which you and I enjoy. I am not telling you who the last person was whom I slept with - and I don't begrudge that right to the Windsors.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Annon
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 01:21 PM

I knew you wouldn't believe me... no matter, I know it's true. I've lived with it for 3 years already!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 02:13 PM

I KNEW Camilla was really a man...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 05:25 PM

I know who it is-I would tell you-but then I'd have to shoot you.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:33 PM

I have never understood why Brian had the dynastic marriage with the good looking air head and the affair with the one who looks like a horse but don't particularly care either.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 06:54 PM

Actually the real problem is Fionn trying to prove that he is privy to inside information.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:02 PM

Well, alanabit, I much prefer the way the French press treat their politicians to the way we treat ours. I am on record as decrying the hounding out of office of people like David Mellor, and even Ron Davies (where it could be argued that there was a security implication).

But this is a bit different. The UK head of state is also the head of the Church of England, now busy tearing itself apart on the question of homosexuality. Disestablishment of the C of E now looks inevitable, and that will put the whole issue of the UK constitution at the top of the agenda. As a republican you should be interested.

You may recall too that when Charles's alleged playmate was accused of buggering another member of the royal household, the victim believed his complaint was treated neither properly nor seriously. Others again on the staff campaigned hard for Fawcett's removal on the grounds that his exceptional intimacy with Charles, coupled with a bullying disposition, made him intolerable.

The so-called Windsors are not politicians, they were not elected, and they pursue obscenely indulgent lifestyles with crass insensitivity to the feelings of millions of people whom they claim to represent. Anything that threatens to wreck the whole circus, as this tale surely does, is music in my ears.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 05 Nov 03 - 07:08 PM

Au contraire, Gareth. I was asking for information, and got it - for which thanks to those who provided it. Thanks too to Channel 4 News for steering me towards THIS.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:31 AM

It's so wonderful to see the Brit press continue to deal with such weighty issues while war continues in Iraq and AIDS is destroying over half the African continent.

Fuck the royals - kill them and take their money and land. Divide it all up evenly amongst Brits who's net worth is less that 20,000 pounds.

Please, just wait to do to until Dumbya is visiting, just in case collateral damage does the rest of the world a favor.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: NicoleC
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 01:48 AM

This is one aspect about Brits I've always respected: an intense and abiding curiosity about the royal playtime, without actually doing anything as gauch as trying to prosecute or criminalize it. Perhaps ya'll Brits have just had more experience with the idea that leaders (elected, heriditary, or some combination of the two) are still human :)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,ozmacca
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 02:05 AM

Leaders are human....... Human? The Windsors? Dubbya? Our very own Man of Steel? Human?....That's stretching the definition a bit isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: JennieG
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 02:13 AM

But if the royal family was no more, who would the womens' magazines of the world have to write about?
Cheers
JennieG - Oz Republican

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 03:43 AM

and do we really want President Tony with Cherie as the first lady?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:14 AM

Royals aren't leaders, any more than Pearly Kings and Queens, and in principle they are basically in the same game. It strikes me they are currently being used as a kind of lightning conductor to take attention away from the real stuff. People seriously seem to think that getting rid of them would somehow move us towards a more egalitarian society. Like the USA or France or Russia, for example?

I wouldn't cross the road to save the monarchy - but I wouldn't lift a finger to abolish it. I feel about as exercised about their unearned wealth as I do about that of other lottery winners.

The "real stuff" is the way the hereditary principle prospers elsewhere, where it really matters - for example the Murdoch Dynasty, or the Bush Dynasty.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:29 AM

More important than the crounging parasites Fionn is the tapping of phones.
Phones were tapped here on a reguglar basis, we don`t find it surprising that the phones in all of the GAA Clubs in the sick six were tapped and also our mail was opened regularly,
[espically if it arrived from the US], even to the point that the bastards didn`t even bother to seal it again. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: AliUK
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:05 AM

I mean...cmoan...it´s been an open secret for years that Charles plays for hte other side. The thing is that they try and cover it up. Things would have been much better if he had come out of the closet.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Blackcatter
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 10:09 AM

AliUK - not that! Gay men everywhere don't want to claim him as one of their own! Think of the strides the Gay community has made. Charles being gay would screw that all up. It was bad enough when his brother was flirting with the lifestyle. (and we know the prettier the wife, the more likely the man's gay)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,rumour
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 10:29 AM

So Camilla is a fag-hag?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,OHMS
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 12:24 PM

It now seems from the news that it was Charlie's head of staff who wanted his name kept secret. So did Fawcett force it and did the prince conceal his wails?

The reason these idiots fascinate us Brits is that we pay for them. So we should get a bit of entertainment out of them - a bit like visiting the zoo or Disneyland.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 12:29 PM

Not that we are likely to read anything into this, but ...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: AliUK
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 12:49 PM

The thing is, the more you shout libel, the more interesting the story is. And lets face it, no newspaper is going to print something that it´s not pretty sure about ( unless it´s the SUN or the News Of The World)> I still can´t figure out why these people try and hide the fact that they carry on the same way know as they did at their old schools. I mean, who really cares which hole they like to stick it in or have it stuck into? I would think that Gay Organisations would welcome a little Royal Patronage. It did wonders for Save the Children and the World Wildlife Fund.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 04:07 PM

Todays Canadian papers carry a story about an affair between Princess Di and Canadian rocker Brian Adams.
I am sure that the life of a royal can be rather mundane so a deversion here and there was (wink,wink) overlooked.
   If only Jack the Ripper was satisfied with boffing the help!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:17 PM

Bringing in those Hanoverians was a bad mistake.

Maybe they should go back to the legitimate line. Which right now would mean Franz,Duke of Bavaria.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 07:27 PM

Our gay friends have known for years that Charles was gay, or at least suspected it, even when he probably didn't himself. They will be delighted that it's finally coming out. (No pun intended.)

As to the royalty...they were born into it, no questions asked. They can choose to do good with it or not, but I don't think they deserve such animosity for an accident of birth; for their actions, perhaps, but not their birth. Another thing, tourists don't flock there to see King Blair etc. and never will. They want to see Royalty, born and bred and as I understand it, tourism is a big industry over there.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 06 Nov 03 - 08:10 PM

OHMS, a senior member of the royal family (we must now assume Charlie)wrote to the Mail on Sunday warning of serious consequences if they published Geroge Smith's story. It was certainly Fawcett who sought the injunction, but quite possible he was acting as a frontman for hte palace. He seems to have been ready to take on huge legal bills, and there has been speculation about where he would have raised that kind of dough.

Meanwhile Charles has now gone on the record to refute that he was ever involved in "a serious incident."

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Casual Observer
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 12:24 PM

What! A Royal doing the hokey-pokey with a SERVANT? Egad! Like that's never happened before.

Anyway, it's the Prince's personal life and ought to have no bearing on whether or not he can do his job. (snicker snicker)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 12:40 PM

The Tabloids thrive on this crap, and people who want money create crap for them. Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 12:41 PM

Strikes me there a process of mobbing going on in the media and on the net, even including here. Sort of feeding frenzy. Rather nasty.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 12:53 PM

Amazing how 'gay' people always claim to know who was after the truth comes out never before. Bit like so called healers who come out with crap like "oh yes I can see your hurting" minutes after you've just told them!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,rog
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:05 PM

Well its just a rumour. The Hamiltons and a couple of Television presenters have had their lives trashed by people making up stories. So I'll wait to see if there is any basis to this one. It would be nice though, some of those backward anglican bishops would be livid if the future king swings both ways

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:09 PM

Bryan Adams!! Holy crap! Oh well....could have been Rod Stewart. Wouldn't it be nice if we out that at least one of thepampered harried Royals was a folkie fan. A rumour could be started that Harry looks just like Dick Goughan.... or Tupac Shakur...or McGrath of Harlow!

Rick

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:15 PM

Rick! Harry looks just like Dick Goughan...I just read that somewhere the other day! Yeehaw!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: treewind
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 01:25 PM

So Charlie's perfectly set to be the new Queen of England?