BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 02:13 PM

Could it be that Phil the Greek isn't?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 05:17 PM

McGrath, you solemn fellow! I'm afraid those who retain valets and footmen at our expense may expect a certain amount of scrutiny.

You may remember the scandal around Fawcett allegedly calling a black servant "nigger"; also around three staff leaving their posts on account of Fawcett's behaviour; also about Fawcett "fencing off" (in return for 20 per cent of the proceeds) various gifts that had been bestowed on Charles during his travels; also about Charles "unwisely" showering Fawcett - the one member of his staff "he could never manage without" - with expensive gifts. And not least, a former soldier in one of the elite regiments, George Smith, subsequently a royal footman, making the accusation that Fawcett raped him.
As a result making this allegation, Smith was required to leave the staff.

Well that lot resulted in pressure for an independent inquiry into the goings on in Charlie's household. And Charlie duly authorised one. It was conducted by his private secretary. Entirely independent than. Originally to be published last Christmas, it was delayed a couple of times, allegedly while Charles argued over Sir Michael Peat's refusal to put his name to it unless Fawcett left the staff. It was duly published on the eve of the Iraq war - just after Charles had departed for Bulgaria. Fawcett did leave the staff, but was promptly re-engaged as a consultant. He still lives in "grace and favour" accommodation provided by The Firm.

Much of Peat's report is taken up with the rape allegation, and Peat is forced to acknowledge that Charles handled it badly. However he also concludes that Smith's severance package was not enough to have amounted to hush money. In various other ways the report paints a picture of a louche household existing in a world of its own - a law unto itself.

Now, in denying accusations that are still not published in the UK, Charles has resorted to highlighting George Smith's alcohol and mental-health problems, problems which Smith attributes as much to his experiences in the royal household as to his battlefield experiences. To make public reference to anyone's mental health problems in such a denigrating way is a low shot, and we are entitled to expect better of the future George VII.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 05:26 PM

Homophobia still going strong, then? So the "serious" and "disgusting" allegation is that Prince Charles once had sex, huh? Or looked as if he might recently have done so. It seems scarcely credible.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 06:11 PM

Nope, Greg. It's not necessary to be homophobic to be disgusted by rape. And when such a serious offence is alleged, it should be properly investigated, as it blatently was not in this case - as even the prince's secretary concluded.

I'd much prefer that the identify of any alleged offender was withheld until/unless guilt was established, provided of course that this was the law of the land, rather than just for one court favourite. There was at least one other serious allegation against Fawcett that should have been investigated by the police. Try reading the Peat report. It may have been written by one of the staff, but Charles still said it made "uncomfortable" reading, and no wonder.

For many people wrongly accused of anything - someone mentioned the Hamiltons - the only remedy is to sue. But of course most people can't afford to sue and have to suffer the shit flung their way. (Again, the Hamiltons.) Charles is well able to afford the remedy and should therefore simply sue whoever publishes the story. If he won, he'd be compensated. However he will not do this, claiming once again to be above the law. So he has to rely on that same law to bail him out via injunctions. Farcical.

Incidentally the injunction against the Guardian was issued by a judge phoning from a traffic jam at Tower Bridge. He had heard no representation from the Guardian. This was wholly exceptional, not to say blatently unfair, and again it smacks of one law for the royals and another for the rest of us.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 06:20 PM

Fionn: it is not the rape allegation (that Fawcett raped Smith) we are talking about here. It is the allegation (made by Smith) that Prince Charles was in bed with Fawcett. No suggestion of anybody raping anyone, as far as I know. but there is an inference that they were not just discussing the weather.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 06:47 PM

Nobody thought there was anything in the least controversial when it was the Morecombe and Wise show, and they shared a double bed.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 07:02 PM

Oh bugger the lot of them!

Sooty and sweep shared a bed, and nobody batted an eyelid,now that's not only;bearosexuality, beastialsexuality,inter-racialsexuality, it's also cross species sexuality and in front of the children!!

I don't give a tinkers cuss what that lot do, I wish they'd pay for it themselves and not off our backs.(But it shows how much power the rich and famous have over the rest of us, still)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Gray D
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 08:10 PM

alanabit,

" the last person was whom I slept with"?

"the last person with whom I slept", surely?

Let us attempt to maintain some form of standards, please, even if the royal ones are drooping.

Gray D

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 08:45 PM

The point you might be overlooking, Greg, is that Fawcett's intimacy with Charlie, whether or not it was consummated between the sheets, may well explain Charlie's inappropriate handling of the rape allegation, and for that matter other allegations against Fawcett, including racism.

Keep in mind that three other members of staff left because of Fawcett, and Charlie had Smith paid off after he'd made the rape allegation. I'm pretty sure you'd find the Peat report extremely disquietening, and not because of anything to do with homophobia.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Nov 03 - 11:43 PM

This is all entirely too funny, and makes me feel even sorrier for the Mouse.......poor girl had a miserable marriage and family life with the Firm. Even if she was an airhead, she deserved better.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:22 AM

Well, I think there's quite a bit of homophobia about, not to mention royalphobia (regnophobia?)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: SueB
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:24 AM

Sorry, I'm behind the times. Has it been confirmed that what
Smith saw was Charles and Fawcett having sex? If that's the
case, how disappointing. Somewhere I got the impression (most
likely wrong) that among the boarding school elite a certain
amount of male 'bonding' was the norm, and not considered a
detriment to anything in particular, although I imagine it
would look better for the monarchy if Charles was on top. A
little male bondage, now, that would be interesting...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:38 AM

All that's missing here is yon idiot wi' the guitar in the Seinfeld atrocity.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 03:49 AM

A Lonely Goatherd writes:
My Head of Herd, Bill X as he wishes to be known, strongly denies that he is the goat mentioned in these allegations.
A Royal Spokesman writes:the goat concerned was a nanny, nothing deviant about Prince X. The gift of a camel by the Oman Government has nothing to do with these rumours.

RtS
(Personally I think it was a three-in-a-bed romp with Camilla and Thora Hird!)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Baker Street Resident
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 04:54 AM

Nobody has yet mentioned Diana's Missing Videotapes

Sadly, if they so choose, the Establishment will try and discredit the late Princess's statements as the ramblings of a disturbed, unstable mind, in the same descpicable way as they have used the statements made by Mr. George Smith.

Watch, wait, and see what happens. I am somehow reminded of a theatrical piece under the title "Gaslight".

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 05:49 AM

Sorcha, never be fooled into thinking Diana was either a mouse or an airhead. She was a coniving manipultive gold digger!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: selby
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 09:36 AM

What do we tell the children now about the old queen living in Buck House now.
Seriously does it realy matter, the only thing to my mind what all the media reports show, that this must be the most dysfunctional family in the country. But if they are happy OK.
Keith

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 09:49 AM

Dian & Bryan Adams?
Is he the one who had the hit with Everything one does, one does for one?

RtS
(I'll just get me tiara....)

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 12:57 PM

Now call me cynical but what the media are not telling you is what the media are doing here. How bloody long did it take the media to forget the sea of flowers and hail of flowers too for Princess Di.
Hounded to death. Remeber the motrobikes? And when did they find that mythical white Fiat? Crawled back into the woodwork pretty smartly didn't they.

The difference this time is that the guy is groomed for a certain gravitas, he hasn't had to learn on the job.

The people in who's name the media claim to do it said NO, we should be saying NO again.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Murray MacLeod
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:03 PM

"...........we are entitled to expect better of the future George VII............"

Is Charles really going to become a seventh George rather than a third Charles ?

Murray

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:24 PM

Diana a gold-digger? I don't think so, she comes from a longer line of parasites than her ex-husband.They've had centuries to grab the wealth of the country. Have you not seen the place they buried her? I liked the link to the Republic site above. It would be such a relief to be a citizen of this country and rid of the whole boiling.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 02:39 PM

When one thinks about it overlong, some-people-whose-names-I-won't-mention look a bit strange pointing the finger at the USA for its foibes when their own country is as dysfunctional as it is and whose people have done nothing about it but to complain. humph. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 03:44 PM

Now if the hyped up rumours were about people with some real power, it might be interesting - Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson, or Rupert Murdoch and a sheepdog, maybe. But as it is, it's just froth.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 05:47 PM

Scarcely credible isn't it, some members of the royal family(allegedly) may (or may not) have had sex (or possibly gone to bed) with somebody else. Bit worrying. isnt it? Apparently something similar happened in America a while back. Difficult to believe, isnt it. hat is the world coming to.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:01 PM

I thought British people didn't have sex.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Gareth
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:18 PM

Guest - Yes ! but not through choice, well unless you count the odd sheep.

Odd Sheepo ??? - No it was perfectly normal, nothing kinky !!!

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:30 PM

Greg Stephens coments:

hat is the world coming to

Surely the world isn't going to turn into a gigantic hat. Tell me that it isn't true. Please!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Sorcha
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 11:19 PM

I know Diana was not an airhead or a mouse, but The Mouse is what Horse Face called her when she 'approved' Charlie's marriage to her....Horse Face insisted on 'vetting' all Charlie's prospects until one she approved of appeared.....

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: JennieG
Date: 09 Nov 03 - 03:12 AM

I would really love to have HM's collection of trinkets - she does have some lovely emeralds which would really suit me -
I could wear them each day to work in the library. The tiaras would be particularly fetching.
Or perhaps Charles wants them? I can just see him wearing a pearl tiara and diamond necklace with the kilt. At least the tiara wouldn't slip down.
Cheers
JennieG - fully paid up Member of the Trinket Appreciation Society

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Ro1sin
Date: 09 Nov 03 - 11:46 AM

Denial

May I take this opportunity
To inform the whole community
That I don't consort with those I cannot trust.
So I never bother women
Nor retire to bed with someone
Who is anything but strictly upper-crust.

I am pally with my valet
And I'm chummy with my cook,
For these days familiarity is cool,
But for private entainment
Without danger of arraignment
I restrict myself to guys from public school.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 07:28 PM

Oh, well said Mrs Duck!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST,Annon
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 08:55 AM

An update on the phone phenominuminumum thingy... BT told me to take off the front part of the box on the wall and use the other little plug hole inside. They also told me when/if it happens again to run outside and look for a van or vehicle parked by my house. Why would they ask me to do that? So nothing happened for about 3 weeks and I thought it must be a fault afterall. Now it's happening again. No one was parked there that I could see. The mystery continues.

A

Subject: RE: BS: UK Royals - what's the big secret?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:30 AM

And to add insult to injury, the corgi is pregnant.