BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:01 PM

Peace, there are some folks around here who claim being able to count as a major achievement. It's important to them.

Bill, it wasn't a correction - he simply posted it again. If that had been deleted I might have posted it, because I was just a tad cheesed off. I have no idea why someone would have deleted it on purpose, I don't believe Joe would have thought it should have been deleted - not after he'd reopened this thread which HAD been closed - and if he had, it would have been a good opportunity for him to explain that feminine hygiene products were now illegal to mention on Mudcat. No tampons, no Kotex, no Midol or maxi-pads or panty shields. My God, where will it all end!? The menopause thread?

I believe you should do what you think is right. Sometimes those in power don't agree and you have to deal with the consequences. You have to figure out which fights are worth it and which aren't, because there's a cost for even the righteous ones. This isn't about free speech. Most of the people who rant about free speech here have probably never read the first amendment. We don't get to say whatever we want here. We don't get to make personal attacks, as in Personal and Attacks (which often means flame threads), or post spam. Tampons however, are completely legal.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:02 PM

BTW, Guest: Message me and I'll tell you.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:13 PM

So the question is, was the thread deleted because it was offensive or because it was a copycat thread? We'll probably never know.

When I spotted it, I thought - 'uh oh, I don't think they're gonna leave that one there!', so I wasn't surprised when it was deleted. Then the same post turned up in the Viagra thread and was left there, so that suggests to me that the thread was deleted because it was a copycat - or maybe as some have said, the clones changed their minds. Who knows?

One thing's for sure, it got a lot more exposure (;-)) from being deleted than if it had just been left alone. Yes, it was a bit 'off', but it wasn't a derogatory term and not half as bad as some things I've seen.

Talk about a storm in a teacup!!

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:14 PM

Are copycat threads being deleted then? Just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:15 PM

well, it's not even easy to drop the subject...

ok...I see the point. I regret getting involved. I will adjust my sensitivity meters accordingly.

I don't usually get this deep into this sort of issue, and I think I'd best remember to be more careful in the future.

g' night all....

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:25 PM

Yes, Tampons are generally considered to be completely legal on Mudcat.
In my janitorial days, I had other opinions about them which I will decline to discuss here....

As for the thread, I moved the one message in the "vagina" thread to the "viagra" thread from which it spawned - because it was a copycat, and because I figured I was going to get all kinds of complaints about the thread title from Mudcatters named Prudence and Chastity and Fortitudina. That effectively deleted the "Vagina" thread since there were no messages in it. When we get a surfeit of copycat threads, I sometimes consolidate a few of them by moving messages - I try to avoid deletions. As is evidenced by the popularity of this thread, my efforts at consolidation in this case, resulted in multiplication.

The best-laid plans of mice and men...

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:35 PM

The best-laid plans of mice and men...
-Joe Offer-


Perhaps you can just concentrate on influencing our forum by what you post - rather than what posts of others you feel youself qualified to judge and censor?

Or as you are not happy with our forum - just start a site of your own - where you can interfere as much as you like?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:38 PM

Proposal for members only posting of BS

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:51 PM

Or as you are not happy with our forum

He didn't say that, Roger. He and the clones are ASSISTING Max in keeping the Mudcat running smoothly - not 'interfering' as you put it. Sometimes there are tough calls, made more difficult by having to deal with prudes at one end and people like YOU at the other.

I figured you'd be along soon to gloat, but if you see this as an opportunity for more repetitive self-righteous crap, why don't you just put a sock in it? We've heard it all before.


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Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:54 PM

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.

Heinrich Himmler

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 09:58 PM

And despite our best efforts, Mudcat is no longer a pleasant place to hang out and goof off or have a good discussion. So, I think something has to be done.
Joe Offer In this thread Proposal for members only posting of BS

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:03 PM

I think that where I've watched a movie go wrong, it's usually because the dread committee has been interfering with it.

John Le Carre

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:15 PM

Jesus, Shambles, give the folks a break. People make mistakes; we all screw up from time to time. The more pedestrian expression is 'Shit Happens'. Let it go.

The US in in Iraq. Neocons are going after the whole bloody world. Iran is trying to get nukes. Men and women are going through menopause, and it's a cast-iron sonuvabitch to get a good hamburger where I live. Canadians are trying to figure out who their patron saint is; I don't drink but I'm wanna start, and Bearded bruce says we are killing 3,000,000 people over the next few years because we sell them asbestos. So, on a scale of 1 to 10, where's this stuff at, huh?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM

And if I'd known it was going to cause all the trouble it did, I would have said Kotex instead!

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:19 PM

As for the thread, I moved the one message in the "vagina" thread to the "viagra" thread from which it spawned - because it was a copycat, and because I figured I was going to get all kinds of complaints about the thread title from Mudcatters named Prudence and Chastity and Fortitudina.
Joe Offer

If Prudence and Co do not like our forum - why are they (like so many others who are thought by our censors and their supporters to be malcontents) invited to leave and find somwhere to their liking?

And as the complaints of Prudence and Co do not seem to be viewed with much sympathy by our censor - is it really sensible to take anticipatory censorship action BEFORE Prudence and Co even have a chance to complain about what other posters may choose to post?

Or are the imaginary complaints Prudence and Co just being used as yet another excuse to censor what is not to the censor's personal taste and to shape our forum by this?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:29 PM

Peace, in stating that "Shit happens!" You should be aware that the corrolary to that is:
"Yes, but there is usually an ashole involved!"

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Mar 06 - 10:30 PM

Of the 23,547 complaints filed with the FCC in July, 23,542 came from the Parents Television Council, which provides handy online complaint forms for members who aren't comfortable thinking for themselves.

Richard Roeper

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 12:58 AM

"You should be aware that the corrolary to that is:"

It's the Toyota Corrolary.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:54 AM

I saw it and was glad it disappeared and my name isn't Prudence. It was a stupid copycat title and started by a GUEST. IMO, anything thread like that started by a GUEST deserves to be deleted or moved.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 02:59 AM

Good point, Kat. I don't want to start another battle about Guest posting, but if a registered Mudcatter starts too many copycat threads, he risks building himself a reputation as an asshole. That tends to encourage him not to act like an asshole.

Practical Phil, who started the "Vagina" thread, had never posted under that name before - or since. He/She is completely anonymous, and has removed him/herself from the burden of being treated like an asshole for having acted like one.

So, Phil, I guess that's the price you pay for anonymity.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: GUEST,mystified asshole Phil ?
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:43 AM

for the sake of wasting of 1 hours spare time,
how many hotmail email accounts,
and thus registered mudcat members names
do you think we anonymous assholes can create
to satisfy the demands of anti guest obsessives.

..talk about [toilet] papering over the [ass] cracks
when the real problems lie deeper down the U-bend.

so what matters most in the scale of significance here,
the substance of the message.. or the name of its communicater ?


but apart from all that.......... lets have fun here !

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:51 AM

Would you be terribly upset if I corrected your spelling?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:53 AM

JUST KIDDING!

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:53 AM

no.. not at all.. its a free world after all

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 11:00 AM

It's time to break into song, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:12 PM

So, Phil, I guess that's the price you pay for anonymity.
-Joe Offer-

What price do our unknown number of voluteer fellow posters - with their ability to impose their judgement upon the posts of other posters - pay for their anonymity?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Wesley S
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 01:17 PM

.02 cents ?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Bert
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 02:10 PM

Generally, I move the copycats to the thread they're copying...
Didn't work on the Vagina/Viagra thread, I guess.
-Joe Offer-

Joe, That doesn't make a lot of sense to me, 'cos copy cat threads are usually just a play on words and they usually go in a completely different direction from the original.

It seems to that lumping them together is mixing apples and oranges and would simply server to lose, or hide the content of, the copying thread.

Also, many times the copying thread is a lot better than the original.

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 03:53 PM

and is it really acceptable or polite procedure
imposing all the copycat crap
on the person who started the origional thread being parodied,
whether they want it or not ?

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 09:28 PM

Most of the copycat threads, IMO, are inane and a waste of bandwidth. Joe shows a lot more restraint than I would.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 09:38 PM

If there are four copycat threads going, I leave them alone. The "Vagina" copycat was the first copy of the "viagra" thread, but there were a lot of copycats active that day. So, heck, I put the vagina together with the viagra, and I thought they would be very happy together...
I guess I was wrong. So, what's the viagra going to do without the vagina?
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 09:39 PM

Probably headed over to the Brokeback Mountain thread...

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:02 PM

"So, what's the viagra going to do without the vagina?"

Perhaps sing a rousing rendition of "Stand Tall" by Burton Cummings.


Never been this blue
Never knew the meaning of a heartache
But then again, I never lost at love before
Somewhere down the road
Maybe all those years will find some meaning
I just can't think about them now
Or live them out anymore

Stand tall, don't you fall
For God's sake don't go and do something foolish
All you're feeling right now is silly human pride
Oooooh, Stand tall, don't you fall
Don't you do something you might regret later
You're feelin' it like everyone, it's silly human pride

Never lasted so long, no,
Through so much or through so many
I just can't believe I could throw it all away
Sometimes late at night
When there's nothing here except my old piano
I'd almost give my hands to make you see my way

Stand tall, don't you fall
For God's sake don't go and do something foolish
All you're feeling right now is silly human pride
You've got me down on my knees for ya mama
Stand tall, don't you fall
Don't you do something you might regret later
You're feelin' it like everyone
It's silly human pride

Subject: RE: BS: anyone seen my vagina thread ?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM

Where is it written that censorship should or will imposed by some posters upon their fellow on matters only of personal taste and our forum be shaped by this?

What is the point of encouraging (by example) the public posting only of any personal judgements by anyone upon other posters or the worth of their contributions?