True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 04:34 PM

me too... and I never understood why my brother and ex-spawn of satan always called me a bitch

I mean just because I am always right and ain't afraid to say so, does not make me a bitch.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 04:46 PM

Indeedy!

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 04:55 PM

CS

Are you agreeing that I am NOT a bitch or are you agreeing that I AM a bitch. ;~)

this has sure as shit got to be a thread killer. snerk

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 05:33 PM

Forgive the intrusion - I just came over to see if His Holiness Pope Joe I has shifted the latest deleted post on the other thread over here; doesn't look like he has. Looks like y'all having fun anyway. I was born under the sign of The Plough by the way; my moon is in Orion and my rising sign is Orion.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 05:34 PM

PS - That wasn't meant to spell POO by the way.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 06:30 PM

Well, gee, I'm glad this has turned into a friendly....whatever it is.

There are no deleted posts in the other thread. I might have mistyped a number and sent a message astray, but I think all the messages missing from this thread have been moved here. The most recent one is here (click).

Oh, and I don't think the pope references are fair. A person's religion, is his own business.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 07:24 PM

Maybe there should be a third section for threads like this. The "BS" label is far too flattering.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 10:10 PM

"The "BS" label is far too flattering."

Indeed! Dante had 9 levels of Hell....the last one, if I remember, was frozen....perhaps that would cool off some of the rhetoric here?

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: GUEST,Goose Gander (smoking a pork shoulder)
Date: 25 Nov 09 - 11:22 PM

Now what will someone think if they go searching for 'true traditional music' and come upon this?

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:26 AM

Oh, and I don't think the pope references are fair. A person's religion, is his own business.

I really wish you'd stick to the red Voice of God announcements, PJ; it unsettles me when you appear in the flesh though you were an ordinary mortal. Anyway - nothing to do with your religion - rather the Holy Infallibility you are so evidently possessed of as supreme pontiff of Mudcat and the misplaced reverence this inspires in your flock.

And since when was religion in anyway personal? It's been political from day one - especially the heretic-murdering, Nazi-sympathising, culture crunching, mind-f***ing Holy Roman Catholic Church that's got more political blood on its hands than the rest of the b******s put together.

And still they pray for the Jews!

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:29 AM

PS -

"Mudcat Healing Light Enema"? Now, I could see some justice in that...

More of your personal religious culture creeping in there I see?

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: theleveller
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 04:50 AM

I LOVE this thread but I'm totally outclassed in the rudeness stakes so, for once, words fail me.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: TheSnail
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 05:05 AM

Interesting and rather sad that this thread seems to be much more active than its parent.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 06:11 AM

interestingly the word 'heretic' originally comes from the Greek hairetikos, meaning "able to choose" or "free choice".

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 10:34 AM

Mudcat Healing Light Enema

Okay then, myself inspired by Crow Sister's poetic turn of phrase, it struck me that this would make the perfect title of a piece of music I've been working on as part of my Blod-Monath sessions - but when I thought about it further, I realised that the title was so good it demanded a whole new piece, so this is what I've been doing for most of the day.

The first stage was a solo ante-folk improv on my violin - with a D / A drone on the Shruti box, but essentially arhythmic & non-tonal. The second stage was to pick up the underlying groove of the thing with a lo-D doromb (= Hungarian Jew's Harp) - and the third stage was to add a further instrumental improv on a very old Clarke C whistle using both conventional and extended harmonic fingering. The fourth stage was to add the drum part in emphasis of the doromb groove - this I did using a large Moroccan snared frame-drum bendir (my pigeon drum on account of the fact a pigeon once died in it) played simultaneously with a bird whistle, ankle & animal bells. The penultimate stage was to mix this to Sound Forge as a Wav file, before the final stage, which was to process the entire piece in my Tertius Auris Drone Space setting of Ableton Live in which two tracks are played pure whilst a third is subject to various soft-filters (including OhmyGod) in real time.

Earlier on in this thread our Infallible Pontiff said I assume that both of you are accomplished musicians. I must point out that I've never once thought of myself as a musician, rather a vagabondian storyteller seduced by notions of Sound Magic, Unholy Racket, Joyful Noise and No-Age Happy Wandering. In this piece my concerns are with Shamanistic Healing Beauty; a sort of Shaman Heal Thyself piece of what usually gets dismissed as self-indulgence but which is, in actual fact, about forgetting about self entirely and becoming a medium for another level of musical possibility, Tao and process.

Those who wish to hear it can do so for the next 7 days as a secure MP3 download entirely gratis via YouSendIt clicking the link below:

Mudcat Healing Light Enema

S O'P

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 11:57 AM

Reverence???? I don' get no steenking reverence!!!

I have to say, though that the enema worked very well. Thank you ever so, S O'P.

     (((((((((((S O'P))))))))))))

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:22 PM

Kewel!

It's got a perfect dark swampy feel to it. Most fitting for the imaginal/aural soul-journeyings of phlegm & choler ridden vagabonds.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:23 PM

Yesterday, in chatting with an interesting woman here in town (has a rare book and manuscript shop and travels all over Europe in search of rare and ancient maps) and I was telling her about this website and specifically this thread.

She said, Well, creative people tend to be a little off the wall, don't you think?

I can live with that.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:37 PM

"creative people tend to be a little off the wall, don't you think?"

Ahh, but it's far worse than the more usual 'insane genius' syndrome Ebbie, you see both parties are in fact quite tragic idiot savants, with side orders of tourettes to boot (plus SO'P has a crumby cold).

(((((((HUGS)))))))) indeed, sigh...

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:47 PM

Oh, Crow Sister, how you do hit nails on heads!!! My knowing idiocy has led me to taking powders & pills of white mercury in hopes to cure my tourette's. & — waddya know — it's fuc astonishingly working!

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:52 PM

When it comes to 'idio-savants' I prefer to focus on the savant part. :)

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 12:56 PM

Ho-ho-ho! he exclaims , twirling his black mustachios knowingly

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 01:24 PM

Is that the idiot or the savant speaking? :)

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:00 PM

That Mudcat Healing Light Anathema Enema is dare I say bordering on the divine. Real avant garde folk. (that should ruffle a few definitionist's feathers)

This thread has descended to the 8 circle of orchestra where the first trumpet plays ass brass.

Along the left-hand dike they wheeled about;
But first had each one thrust his tongue between
His teeth towards their leader for a signal;

And he had made a trumpet of his rump. (Longfellow trans)

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:02 PM

I think of myself more of an intuitive-idiot than an idiot-savant. My heroes are Harpo Marx, who made a fortune out of not speaking, and Sun Ra, who died in penury and never said a word anyone could make any sense of. Their angelic beauty fills my universe.

You have to trust the people with intuition now. You see, they don't know what they're doing. The one's who do what they're doing haven't proved anything. - Le Sun Ra.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:08 PM

Whichever, Ebbie — it might help if I tell you that I don't have black mustachios, I have a white beard,

What that to do with anything? Well, the savant doesn't know but the idiot just might.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: GUEST,Goose Gander (baking yams)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:34 PM

If I were king of the universe, I would command SO'P to form a working class harp band called (what else?) the Harpo Marxists.

Of course, even if that did happen the single-party cult of Lennonism would take over the local community center and outlaw heterodox prole-folk-harp stylings.

Many people think Harpo Marxist-Lennonism is a single, coherent philosophy; actually, HP-ism and L-ism are are quite different.

But if really I were king of the universe, I would first set up a jam session with Son House and Sun Ra.

House could learn that Ra a thing or two, I believe.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: GUEST,Goose Gander (sampling candied pecans)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:35 PM

And a working class gyro is hard to beat.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: GUEST,Goose Gander (striking wrong keys)
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:37 PM

Make that HM-ism!

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 02:39 PM

I wonder- was/is Sun Ra a musician? Su(o)n House must have picked it up somewhere.

Makes me think- (painful) the gods and goddesses (there's that -ess again) of yore had mighty powers but other than the Sirens I don't remember that music was one of them. Not that a Siren was a
god(dess)

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 03:18 PM

And he had made a trumpet of his rump.

Codex Gluteo???

*

Is Sun Ra a musician? Indeed, but he left the planet back in 1993, destination unknown. Sonny is a common enough name; prior to becoming Sun Ra he was known as Herman Sonny Blount, and always Sonny to his friends and members of his Arkestra. His registered name was Le Sony'R Ra: Some call me Mr Ra, others call Mr E - you can all me Mr Mystery!

*

But if really I were king of the universe, I would first set up a jam session with Son House and Sun Ra.

Here's the next best thing - Sun Ra and Don Cherry (another of my Angelic heroes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hJ5IhifJ0w

*

Lennonism? Ah yes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAodDH5EjJY

We could ever afford gyros in my dole-Q-daze; happily on the road to Kashmigiro.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Nov 09 - 03:40 PM

I am mortified, not to say, devastated.

All this time I've been thinking of the more elevated - and elusive - Ra.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 04:21 AM

All this time I've been thinking of the more elevated - and elusive - Ra.

I can think of no one - human, angelic, mortal, immortal or otherwise - more elevated & elusive than Sun Ra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndn0a6UBdNM

Destination unknown!

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Nov 09 - 10:27 PM

Speaking of mortals, when she was about 9 my daughter came out of a deep silence and asked, Mommy, do royalty ever marry mortals?

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 04:05 AM

Mmm, open-minded as I am, that particular noise didn't provoke much in the way of joy for me. Though his band seemed to dig it. I like other stuff that's up on YouTube, in fact I think you've posted a couple of them before. It's good to listen to him philosophising too.

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 04:14 AM

ebbie - that little gem needs to be recorded for posterity. precious. do you keep a journal of family milestones?

Subject: RE: True Traditional Music-uncivilized annex
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Nov 09 - 12:20 PM

I didn't keept a recotd as such, VT, but the family recounts many things my daughter came up with.

She has a cousin who is 5 months older than she. My daughter was/is much more outgoing and confident than her cousin.

At one family gathering, the two 4 year old kids were trying to make their way through the thicket of adult legs.

Cousin, timidly: Excuse me.
And again, Excuse me. And again, Excuse me
Daughter, leans forward, says loudly: Excuse her!