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Subject: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:08 PM Well, I've been trying to build the little bugger forever but couldn't seem to do it then Firecat, may her Name be blessed, found a site upon which it is a piece of cake.So if you would like a quick shufty ( look) go to blicky and let me know what you think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM I don't know you, but to be honest, your site looks amateur and overall is piss poor. There are lots of places to learn the basics of web design. I'd suggest consulting some of them. If you can't be bothered to find out how to design a decent web site, don't bother having one. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but my experience suggests that a bad web-site is worse than no web-site. Guest |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:25 PM keep at it Morty but I'm afraid you've managed to pick on a couple of my pet hates. I tend to like a Web site that I can soon sort of feel at home and comfortable in. I find the use of different backrounds usually does and different location of links always does prevent me from that. Just my opinion but I would aim for a more consistent look and feel. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:27 PM Hey shit, there are thousands of arty farty well designed web sites that are complete and utter bollocks. Give me something that makes me laugh any day. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:29 PM Guest, perhaps you'd care to direct me to yours so I can see how it's done? Jon, valuable comments there, thanks. I am quite new to this, and it was my first attempt.If I didn't want to learn how to do it well I wouldn't have asked but constructive criticism obviously takes more time and thought than our friend Guest could manage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:34 PM It strikes me that Guest couldn't be bothered to think very hard. At least Jon thought his through and offered constructive advice.... I would suggest that Guest doesn't bother posting again..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 06:45 PM Liz, Guest thinks harder than you know. Guest also gets disallusioned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Karen Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:08 PM "Disallusioned", huh? Couldn't find that word easily in my dictionary. Morticia, do not be disillusioned by mean old Guest. I also am a Guest (although in no way related to above-said person). I think your first website attempt is admirable. My husband and I are also thinking about creating our own website and, when that occurs, will be grateful for any well-meaning KIND advice. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:17 PM Guest: Karen, 'Mean' guest has an MA in web design. He is happy to offer advice. He had a bad day. Judge him as you will.. (he's also fairly well known musically, and you've probably clapped his perfomances in your time...!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:20 PM Build whatever quality web site your skills and energy will permit and then improve and modify from there. Transmitting the information available is the most important thing. Add some dancing butterfllies and I at least will think it is highly sophisticated. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:33 PM Well, Mean Guest - show us to your website so we can all see how it should be done! Morty, AOL won't let me see past your home page. I will check it out from work tomorrow. Wonder if Guest has seen your calendar picture and is using the same ploy he used in the fifth grade to get your attention. Mary |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:35 PM Hi Morty, I'll PM you the address of my web page. I don't promote it much because of certain unpleasant people and other things I'll explain. I've found it extremely useful in introducing myself to new people, and besides, it's fun just learning how to do fun tricks with HTML. Many times I've posted unlinked-to pictures for people to see. Just for fun I've read all kinds of web design advice and tutorials. I believe that with a lot of time, amateurs can produce an attractive page. I've learned things about colors and design (and fonts!) that I never knew before. Just a few things I've picked up (I don't necessarily apply them): 1) Content is the most important. 2) Backgrounds are generally a sign of an amateur. Dark backgrounds should be used with care. 3) Put a link back to the home page on every page. Also put the name of the person/company who is responsible for the page along with contact info on the home page. 4) Try to make all pages similar stylistically. 5) Most people don't like embedded music. I personally like it...thus use it. I especially like to have a background MIDI while I read song lyrics. 6) Keep the graphics small enough that loading is reasonable. Or provide enough content for folks to read as the graphics are loading. 7) If you want people to print out info, use black colored letters. Some people don't have color printer cartridges. 8) Baby boomers (like me) like large print. There are a gazillion different fonts which all indicate a different mood (like colors.) 9) Funny things happen when the same page is viewed with different browsers. Also, notice that Max wrote the first page of Mudcat to look good on 640 X 480 resolution as well as on 800 X 600. I just go for the latter which I think your page did also. 10) You shouldn't make people read a long horizontal line. Notice how Max has short newspaper-column-type lines on the first page of the Mudcat? 11) I've found typos on nearly 90% of the personal web pages I've viewed. (Even notified Max of one on this site.) Just for fun (and minor profit) I've proofed several business pages for friends. Just a quick look at your page...I really like the picture. And the fact that I have something to read while it's loading is good. Something about the links I found difficult to use/understand. Later... Mary
PS ...from Web Pages That Suck (a book on web design) --- there are only three simple reasons for creating a Web site: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Jon Freeman Date: 22 Apr 01 - 07:49 PM Mary, content is important but it is only useful if people can find it (easily). I can think of one web site I have visited that contains a wealth of information but it is presented in such a way, I wouldn't mind betting that a large percentage of visitors just leave. Morty, one suggestion I heard given to students that you may find useful or at least interesting is to visit some web sites that you really like and try to work out what (in addition to content) they have that makes them good to you. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:01 PM The accuracy of your Zodiac readings is uncanny. The lint is rolling around here like tumbleweed. Note a typo: addition is missing an "i". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:18 PM Hey Morty,
I like your web page. Guess that shows just how unsophisticated I am, in the opinion of GUESTs, et al. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:23 PM Well Guest, Shithead has struck in this thread too....and look he has a Monkey's Arse in web design....damn I'm impressed... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Cobble Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:24 PM Morty Good first try, I am still trying to get to get content put together before I start building. Guest If you THINK you are so well known why not introduce yourself???? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:33 PM Morty, just went thru all the pages, and my thoughts:
Home page--green print on lavender??? That is a little tough, the darker print works better.
LOVE the Zodiac pages. Since the neon colors are on black they don't hurt my eyes. If they were on neon ground...ugh.
Jokes page--LOVE the jokes, but the orange, blue and green print is hard on the eyes, esp. the green.
I don't mind colored backgrounds as long as the print is not contrasted too much (a darker color of the ground usually works best), and the fonts aren't too funky,and you didn't use Blackletter......thanks! Fun place, keep at it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 08:57 PM Looking great morty! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: SINSULL Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:07 PM Giac...you're an old woman???? All this time I thought you were a crotchedy old man. Damn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Sorcha Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:10 PM Geeeeack!!! Another Mary!!! (I thought so too, Sinsull, so you are not alone, lol!) Sorcha, who is also Mary......... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: pattyClink Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:36 PM It's fun, it's personal, it was a lot of work with a lot of heart. Congratulations on getting it off the ground! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mary in Kentucky Date: 22 Apr 01 - 09:38 PM Oh NO......ANOTHER Mary! Morty, just a couple more thoughts... I read somewhere that horizontal lines are not good, disrupts the flow. I use them to set off the incidental info at the bottom of a page. Also, I could not find a way to contact you other than the guestbook. And about the guestbook...I'm not sure how they work, but some people don't like the idea that a jerk can put some ugly remarks instantaneously that you don't get a chance to censor. Also, there needs to be a space after the comma on the third line of the links page. Love the large type. Us Boomer Marys appreciate that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:32 PM **Creep alert** LOL, Marys and SINS -
The crochedy old man is my alter ego. We got very tired of hearing Mary, Mary Quite Contrary sung at us in early childhood, so we split in two and really prefer to live in anonimity.
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Amergin Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:35 PM Where have all the Marys gone? Gone to Giac-off everyone.... When will they ever learn? Sorry I couldn't resist...I'll go hide in the corner now.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Giac Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:37 PM Amerigin - You're bad! I like that in a person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: wysiwyg Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:45 PM Morty, I think your site is great, though my monitor is old, small, and dark amd I can't get sound on this puder-- I hope to see it again when we replace this old hulk, and I am sure you will have a lot of fun with it as you go along. Excuse me, folks, but let's not let someone who said himself he'd simply had a bad day give us a bad day too, now. It's not the worst batch of BS anyone ever flung around here, what he said. If you back someone into a corner when they are having a bad day, it doesn't leave them an out to amend their behavior, does it? ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: hesperis Date: 22 Apr 01 - 10:58 PM Amergin - Don't insult monkeys when it comes to websites. The best resource for learning about html and more great webpage stuff that I've ever found is www.webmonkey.com Ok, Morty. I love it! So, ok, the different backgrounds kinda make it a difficult adjustment on the eyes for every page, but your content is there. I like the orange-on-black page, it just seemed suitable as a theme for a band named Hunters Moon. On the art page, the first pic would be suitable as something to put a band pic inside... or at least have a radial (sphere) blend instead of a square one in the blue thing. The second pic I really like. The next two, not so much, but they are still cool. I like these so much that I am downloading a program for fractal art right now! Second art page: I LOVE the dragon one! Horrorscopes: are beautifully funny! Sagittarius was very accurate, but virgo's had a typo on "broccoli". Links page: thanks! Cool stuff here. For whoever said something about using "dark backgrounds with care" - white backgrounds are the hardest on the eyes, but most people use them. Older monitors and video cards really make white screens flicker, and you can get a really bad headache from those. White text on black is actually the most restful for the eyes, on computers. Good luck! So, when are you going to put your music on IUMA? Or is it already?
Hugs,
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: catspaw49 Date: 22 Apr 01 - 11:43 PM Geez I hate it when I miss all the fun...........I was gone all day, but this AM visited Morty's place and I guess I'm as unsophisticated as Giac....I liked the joint. Signed your guestbook too. After reading the reasonable comments here, I can see where there are some good ideas for you to use! But you know what I like best in any personal website? I like it when they reflect the owner/creator! I think, Terri my luv, you do THAT quite well....so take the good comments and critiques and apply them as they fit you, but don't lose the tone that tells me it's you!! And as for the the Dipstick Guest (probably a member, but why go into all that....it would be nice if people had the guts to sign their name), here's a personal suggestion for you from Ol' Spaw who never posts anonymously............Have a Coke and a Smile and Shut the Fuck Up. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,marty D Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:23 AM Morticia, you've done a fine job. Funny, I really pictured you as an exotic brunette...but JUST as attractive. Keep up the good work, you'll get lots of visitors. Marty Dawson |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Bert Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:33 AM Well at last someone has the common sense to use a large font. My poor old eyes are eternally grateful, it's such a pleasure to be able to take my glasses off and actually read the screen. Love the lavender background as well. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: sledge Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:04 AM Great stuff Morty, keep it up. I did think that the picture should have you holding a pint pot as thats the only other one of you I have seen 8) Ignore guest (MA) he can kiss My A@#e. Sledge Still hoping to make the green man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Gervase Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:35 AM Terri - it's a darned site/sight better than mine, which is a twee pile of pants that could do with flushing down the cyber-khazi. Mary in KY's got some good pointers there, though. One of the most important things for a clean a site is consistency (and no, yer daft bint, I don't mean how sticky it is!). Start with a basic grid-based template and use it for each page, with the universal links-set in the same place on each page, and the same background on each if possible. You don't have to use frames or anything like that - in fact, the cleaner and simpler the HTML is, the better for most browsers. However, if you break up the page vertically as well as horizontally, it's easier on the eye - Mary's suggestion of columns is good (though don't have columns that require you to scroll down and then bounce up again to get to the top of the next one - and remember that font size is often set by the browser, so what looks fine on your screen in preview may not work on someone else's machine) It's one of those areas where simplest is best - fonts, rules, wingdings or whatever should be disciplined, madam; made to understand that they can't just go wild and run around unchecked! Ahem. Sorry, authoritarian tendencies showing there... But I sure ain't pissing on the parade - you've done a heck of a lot more than most people in just getting the thing up there in the first place! And 186 hits in a couple of days isn't bad. Think of what you've saved in stamps and phone calls... Attagirl! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: JudeL Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:06 AM Just had a look, love the "horror"scopes, jokes and links, but I couldn't get the music to play. The colour scheme: - most impressed at anyone who is both capable of and has the flair/courage to do things like that and being your site it's style should be and is a reflection of you. One minor problem, with my ancient, steam driven, monitor some of the smaller, coloured writing is difficult to read. That aside, people visit sites for content, style and fun. If he can't follow the two of three rule (kind, true neccessary,) the anonaMOUSE guest having a bad day should shut his trap, no matter how brilliant he is. This is your first go, and if it isn't technically perfect in every detail it has the important things, i.e. it's there and it's interesting enough to be remembered and revisited |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 23 Apr 01 - 08:50 AM Didn't sign the guest book, too busy stealing the jokes.... RtS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Maryrrf Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:26 AM Another Mary here, and to top it off my last name is Smith. I'm not bothered about giving out my real name - just try looking that one up in the phone book. Let's just say you'll get a lot of hits. Morticia, I liked your website and admire you for doing it. I've been thinking about doing one and made a few stabs at it but even with geocities easy templates I felt kind of intimidated and haven't done it yet. I was shocked when I saw all those negative comments from "mean guest" and I think he's full of crap! I'd like to see his website just out of curiousity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:37 AM Hi Morticia. I like your web site - especially the way you have the click to hear a track thingies on each page - that's the important things anyway :) . I'm happily listening now..... Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: KingBrilliant Date: 23 Apr 01 - 09:47 AM Just had another look (just to see whether I agreed/disagreed with the comments that I hadn't read before the first look). I still like it. I like all the strong colours & I think they bind the pages together OK as they're the same tones & the pages are similar in style. Never mind all the theory about web design. If you like your site then keep it that way. It'd be boring if all sites followed the same rules. Its a personal site, so its personal style. Very scrummy Kris |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Rick Fielding Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:15 AM Just checked it out. Way to go Morty. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: GUEST,Patrish Date: 23 Apr 01 - 11:26 AM Hi, have just had a look and I really enjoyed the jokes and horrorscopes. I would love to have a go at my own personal website, but at present am stuck with doing our company site - not allowed to post jokes on it :-( Keep the jokes and the scopes updated and you should get traffic. loved it Patrish xx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: gnu Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:15 PM Morty... Haven't had a chance to spend any amount of time there, but it looks good to me, and I will be back there as soon as I have some time to do it justice. Spaw - is thirty days up already ? Amergin... you might need someone to hold him still during the procedure. I volunteer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: sledge Date: 23 Apr 01 - 12:38 PM Just how does Morty KNOW about the Marmosets Sledge |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Llanfair Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:02 PM Terri, that's really good!!!! I'm ever so impressed. I like the big writing, too. I didn't get to hear the music because aol closed down when I clicked on it, but I will try again. Well done. Cheers, Bron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Morticia Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:03 PM Thanks lots, guys.I have lots of ideas to put in to practise and lots of kind messages and encouragement in PM's, here and in the Guest Book.I had fun doing it and most people seemed to have fun reading it so Guest...if you are still around....bite me! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: lady penelope Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:39 PM If you like Carramia, I shall have Parker bite him for you. TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: mousethief Date: 23 Apr 01 - 04:42 PM First time that she got it she was 20 years old Got it from the browser next door Started clickin' and uploadin' till the evenin' was old Now I think she's got it some more
It gives her Web Site Fever
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Mrs.Duck Date: 23 Apr 01 - 05:13 PM Well I liked it and since when has being an amateur been a bad thing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:12 PM See Guest, I ain't the only one!!! So Thhhhsssspppppp!!!! (I think that's how you spell raspberry noise........) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:17 PM Even the guest book is funny....! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Web site fever strikes Morticia From: Micca Date: 23 Apr 01 - 07:21 PM Only if you are an amateur brain surgeon, Mrs D, Nice one Terri, and the makeup needed to get you and steve looking like that doesnt show...much... |