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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 10:23 AM Backwoodsman Details The Common Travel Area (CTA) is a long-standing arrangement between the UK, the Crown Dependencies (Bailiwick of Jersey, Bailiwick of Guernsey and the Isle of Man) and Ireland that pre-dates both British and Irish membership of the EU and is not dependent on it. Under the CTA, British and Irish citizens can move freely and reside in either jurisdiction and enjoy associated rights and privileges, including the right to work, study and vote in certain elections, as well as to access social welfare benefits and health services. The UK and Irish governments signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) in May 2019 reaffirming our commitment to maintain the CTA, and the associated rights and privileges, in all circumstances. On signing the MoU, both governments released a Joint Statement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:22 AM But that’s not what I asked - my question was about the fairness (or, IMHO, the And please don’t try to make this about you as you so often do - it’s SFA to do with you personally, it’s a genuine question about emigrants from this country in general. Can anyone explain why it’s fair, because I don’t see it as such? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:23 AM ….(or, IMHO, the unfairness)… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Nigel Parsons Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:10 PM BWM: Can someone please explain why someone who lives outside the UK should have any right to vote in UK elections? One reason might be that they have a pension derived from working in the UK, and so have a valid interest in how this country is run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 12:50 PM Good point Nigel, something that hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 02:18 PM It is to do with me personally ,because i paid taxes in the uk and receive a uk pension, and i like many other taxpayers who live abroad have a valid interst in how the country is run. like many others i pay tax on everything i buy,in the country i live in, and when i visit the uk pay tax on what i buy then. i alsp pay direct interest tax on any savings i have in the country i live in, if i have any savings. so i pay tax in two countries.That is fair IMO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 25 Jun 24 - 11:48 PM Assange release Link Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/media/julian-assange Explainer: who is Julian Assange and what are the details of his plea deal? After five years in jail, Julian Assange is expected to plead guilty to a single charge that will allow him to walk free and return to Australia |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Jun 24 - 02:19 AM I think you could start a new thread on that, Dick. It is not Brexit or UK politics and will be lost here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:42 PM Sunak is back on his normal condescending form wittering on about secret plans this or secret plans that? When is he going to come clean about his secret plans to force people with long term health conditions into debilitating work. With regards to welfare reforms (mostly claimed by people in work), why are their no proposals to make work equally debilitating for people without health conditions? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 26 Jun 24 - 03:48 PM Rwanda policy has reared its ugly head. Where is the tories porposal to round up racist and ne-n***s until they have proved to Rwandan authorities they have the right to return to the UK. Sunak is so pathetic, all that mouth piece is talking over everyone. Why isn't the presenter telling him to shut his mouth and wait his turn to speak. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:49 AM I was interested when the Reform leaflet popped through my door yesterday (not, not in that way!) There is a convention with election material. I am from Southampton, so each candidate will say what their links to Southampton are, why they are the right choice and how the parties policies apply to Southampton. OK, there will be a lot of boiler-plate common to election material for all candidates, but it will at least attempt to show some relationship to the constituency. We will all have heard of some Conservative candidates going so far down this approach that there is no mention of their leader at all. So that is what struck me about the Reform leaflet. Apart from a white rectangle where the name of the candidate and constituency were printed, there was no mention about the candidate or location at all. The leaflets appear to have all been printed at a central location with as little relevance to the candidate and location as the address of an Amazon parcel I get. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Jun 24 - 04:59 AM I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came through my letterbox. Like the Tory leaflet, it went straight in the bin. And anyway, they were both too late - I’d already voted when they arrived, and not for either of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Jun 24 - 11:29 AM > I didn’t even read the Reform UK leaflet that came > through my letterbox. I'm convinced the only reason Herself reads such things is to stave off low blood pressure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jun 24 - 02:45 AM It really is very galling to hear members of the party who themselves elected Boris Johnson and Liz Truss, the two worst Prime Ministers in living memory, now weaponising Keir Starmer’s support of his leader, Jeremy Corbyn, in the 2019 election. A real case of the pot calling the kettle black. There really is no line below which the Tories will not stoop in their hopelessness and desperation, is there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:36 AM At least there is not long to go now BWM. I have been fed up with a lot of the campaigning by all the parties. It was very noticeable when all the parties were questioned about their manifestos. They nearly all seemed to respond by attacking other parties manifestos rather than answer questions about their own. I am just hoping that people will vote in this election.A low turnout is not good for any of us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:46 AM Re. Postal votes. I was surprised to hear on BBC Radio 4 that in the last election 28% of the votes in Scotland were by post. In the UK as a whole, 21% of the votes were by post in the last election. On another matter, I mentioned earlier that there are 11 candidates standing in Dover & Deal. Anyone else here have more candidates than that? It does mean that there will be a lot more paper to be recycled. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Jun 24 - 03:50 AM So true, RD. But the Tories, in particular, have told barefaced lies, even when those lies are challenged by independent sources they’ve continued to peddle them. They have absolutely no shame. Even our member here, who habitually defends the indefensible Tories, seems to have given up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:23 AM Article by Marina Hyde in The Guardian sums it up well.. Take it on trust, Britain’s politicians beg voters. Trouble is, we all know they’re lying I think that most of us vote in the hope that things will get better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 29 Jun 24 - 06:48 AM Good article - Thank you |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 11:54 AM Just a couple of days to go. My ideal result would be Labour in but good representation from the other progressive parties to try and twist their arm for electoral reform. Not nuch chance I suppose but at least the most corrupt government in my memory should be reduced to ashes. Anyone care to speculate as to what shape the UK will be in on Friday? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 12:15 PM I see that there have been some problems for some people wishing to vote by post From the BBC Royal Mail denies postal vote backlog as concerns raised I hope that there is a good turnout. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 01:11 PM Trouble is, everyone is so pissed off with politics that they are reluctant to vote. Not surprising considering the performance of the last shower of shits. Sadly, the right wing rags are convincing some of the electorate that all politicians now act in the same way that the Tories have in the last few years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 01:38 PM I think a lot of people have had a low opinion of politicians for quite a long while. I don't think any recent coverage has made much difference to that. You only have to read what some people think about their local council members. I am surprised that people are still prepared to take on the job. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 02:39 PM I think we were tipped over the edge with all the lies in 2016. Compounded by the circus that was led by Bozo later. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 02 Jul 24 - 04:08 PM Well the level of debate was very poor in 2016. People were voting to leave without knowing what the terms of leaving were going to be. That is what the main problem was. I originally thought we would have to give it 5 years from 1.1.21 to see how things would work out. Due to Covid and Ukraine, I now think it will be 1.1.31 before we get a true picture. Even now the UK has not implemented all the import regulations that should be in force. I did vote to remain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 05:34 PM OMG. They have wheeled out the blonde buffoon. I think I'm going to be sick... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Jul 24 - 05:38 PM ...and claiming Starmer will be a part time prime minister because he wants to spend Friday evenings with his family. They really are desperate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 01:13 AM And so the Tories’ Gish Gallop continues apace… Please doG, make it stop! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 02:18 AM When Suella Braverman publicly throws in the towel, defends Reform UK, and attacks her own party for ‘not being Right-enough’, you know the Tories have had their day. At this rate, there will be no Tory Party left. Or is that too much to hope for…? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Jul 24 - 02:42 AM Well if it was a choice between a Tory party or a Reform group/business, I know which I would prefer. Does anyone here think that Labour will get over 50% of the vote tomorrow? I think there is a slim chance that they might but more than likely they will not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 03:41 AM quote from the Economist Publication This mega-poll finds that Labour is on track to win 465 of the 632 seats in England, Scotland and Wales, giving it the biggest majority since the second world war. Meanwhile, the ruling Conservative Party, which won 365 seats in 2019, is set to collapse to a mere 76, the fewest in its history. Since the uk does not have PR it matters little what percent of the vote they get, but ti do think they will get 75 per of the 632 seats, my prediction is between 450 and 470 seats |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 03:49 AM the bookies have labour to win over 418 seats at 1 to3 on. 450 to 490 seats 11 to 10 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 04:06 AM ”Well if it was a choice between a Tory party or a Reform group/business, I know which I would prefer.” Me too, RD, but the problem is that Braverman and others are working their butts off to move the Tory Party ever-closer to Reform UK’s position in almost everything. She and they seem to be laying the blame for the predicted Labour victory in the GE on the Tories being too ‘centrist’, not ‘Right enough’. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 04:07 AM Bugger! Try again… ”Well if it was a choice between a Tory party or a Reform group/business, I know which I would prefer.” Me too, RD, but the problem is that Braverman and others are working their butts off to move the Tory Party ever-closer to Reform UK’s position in almost everything. She and they seem to be laying the blame for the predicted Labour victory in the GE on the Tories being too ‘centrist’, not ‘Right enough’. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: G-Force Date: 03 Jul 24 - 04:12 AM Politician speaks the truth, shock, horror!!! A tory cabinet minister reckons Labour are going to win. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 03 Jul 24 - 05:28 AM I can't say I fully understand why there is a fuss about postal votes today. Given there must be few people who expect mail to be collected and delivered reliably within a day or two. The fuss should have been a week ago, shouldn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jul 24 - 07:01 AM It will be the Tory media trying trumpolitics. They were robbed because of a postal vote swindle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 07:21 AM My postal voting pack arrived over a week ago, and my voting slip went back the next day. No ‘post problem’ here. This is easily the worst GE Campaign I remember in my lifetime. From Labour, airy-fairy policy announcements (although the lack of detail may well be deliberate, to prevent a Tory hijack), and from the Tories, zero policies, just lie upon lie upon lie about Labour. I wanted to vote Green but, in my constituency, there’s no chance that the Green candidate will win, and the most important thing AFAIC is to get rid of our safe-seat, long-sitting Tory MP. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Jul 24 - 07:46 AM It is just not the Tory media reporting concerns about problems with some postal votes. Some councils in Scotland have had some issues, not helped by their school holidays starting which might also increase demand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Jul 24 - 11:40 AM I see that The Sun has come out in favour of Labour, if somewhat reluctantly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jul 24 - 11:47 AM I have a strong feeling in my water that they might be trying to make Labour voters think it’s a done deal and not bother going to the polls. I wouldn’t put anything past that rag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jul 24 - 12:25 PM I think most people would rather not have the support of the Sun anyway! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Jul 24 - 12:33 PM They just want to able to say that it was The Sun wot won it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: The Sandman Date: 04 Jul 24 - 01:27 AM i hope Corbyn gets elected |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 04 Jul 24 - 03:10 AM It seems a bit early to be predicting the next election rather than today's, but in some ways that is my greater concern. Labour will have to ensure over the next term that people *feel^ better off and that is not GDP, or NHS queue statistics or inflation rates or immigration numbers. All those play into the feeling, but it is the feeling that matters in the end. If people enter the next election feeling hopeful, Labour will be granted the second term they have said throughout they will need. If not, I think we could be in "a plague on both your houses" territory and one of the smaller parties this time will get it in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 04 Jul 24 - 09:47 AM Article in The Guardian Association of Electoral Administrators calls for new timeline for postal votes and powers to investigate reports of disfranchisement Postal vote delays: UK election organisers say rules should be changed |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:26 AM I hope everyone got out to vote! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:30 AM We are still have several hours left when we could, SRS, but I expect most people on the thread have. I can tell you I did, my wife did, next door neighbours on both sides have, and someone who came to help in the gardening did, as her daughter (who is 18 and was very excited as this was her first.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: DMcG Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:36 AM I have to say I don't understand why there are so few places you can vote in US elections. For most of the UK there is a polling station within a few minutes of your house. A quick search suggests there are 35,500 of them in the UK. You have to be getting to very remote areas before there isn't a polling station moderately close (assuming you can drive.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3 From: Rain Dog Date: 04 Jul 24 - 11:36 AM Yep I did. My 20 year old photo id was accepted without comment. |
