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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 08 - 10:14 PM Oh, there's definitely such a thing as social justice. There's just no such thing as "politically correct". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: CarolC Date: 04 Nov 08 - 10:16 PM Ayers was not involved with the killing of that guard. The people who did that had already split off from the group that Ayers belonged to before they did that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Nov 08 - 10:20 PM When did I say I was supportin' anybody? Is the beater that Obama bought another Bobert fact? http://www.northamericanair.com/pressrelease.aspx?id=99 He leases it from Northwest airlines. It had near misses on the ground due to human error. How much did those custom embroidered seats cost? How many school lunches? Get out the slide rool. 'Course planes can't fly safely without custom embroidered seats. What was that about corporate excess? Wasting the stock holders money? From CBS News' Allison O'Keefe: Barack Obama's new campaign plane is nothing short of grand. Well, for the candidate that is. Obama's section of the plane rivals that of any first class. Recently the front cabin of the Boeing 757 was retrofitted to install four individual chairs that resemble La-Z-Boys. They are free-standing and made of plush leather with pockets on the sides. There is also a booth which seats four for a meeting or a meal. His chair has his name and campaign logo embroidered on the back top -- "Obama '08" on one line and "President" underneath. To one side is a small table stacked with newspapers ready for the candidate's arrival. The table of the booth is always covered in snacks and cheese and is where Obama spends most of his time during flights meeting with staff and sitting for the occasional interview. Maybe this is what you are lookin for. It is all I can find: Biden's Crisis Remarks Reverberate By John M. Broder New York Times The campaign of Senator John McCain is trying to capitalize on some potentially ambiguous words from Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, at a Seattle fund-raiser Sunday night. Mr. Biden predicted that Senator Barack Obama, if he is elected president, will quickly face a challenge from some hostile power or terrorist group eager to test the resolve of the rookie chief executive. "Mark my words," Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." He added, "He's going to have to make some really tough - I don't know what the decision's going to be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going to happen." He said he could envision four or five scenarios that might arise to challenge the new president, citing Russia or the Middle East as possible sources of trouble. He then called on the donors to be prepared to rise to Mr. Obama's defense because he will need to make some difficult and unpopular choices in response. "I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you," Mr. Biden told the donors, by way of reassuring them of his and Mr. Obama's toughness and preparation. "I think I can be value added, but thisguy has it. This guy has it." Mr. Biden was not clear about the "testing" Mr. Kennedy underwent upon taking office. His biggest early debacle - the Bay of Pigs invasion in April 1961 - was conceived by the CIA under the Eisenhower administration, not by some foreign power. His biggest test, the Cuban missile crisis, came in October 1962. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Nov 08 - 11:08 PM Mac houses are investments held in a blind trust. And O didn't know haw many seats was on his leased plane. He said there was no room for 3 guys from newspapers that endorsed Mac so they made the "tough" decision to kick 'em off. Then he discovered 3 extra seats for Ebony and Glamor and Essence magazines. Musta had Joe counting tha seats. "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S," At least he got the one counted right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: CarolC Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:29 AM Bye bye, Joe the Plumber. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Don Firth Date: 05 Nov 08 - 05:40 AM Sawzaw, it's all academic now. You didn't accomplish what you wanted, but that's all over. Noting that you have never posted on a music thread, Sawzaw, I deduce that you are here just to politick against Barack Obama. Well, since he won the election, I presume you will be leaving us now. Goodbye, Sawzaw. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:25 AM Don: I am happy for you and Carol. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: GUEST,petr Date: 05 Nov 08 - 12:49 PM I havent read all the entire thread.. but I do recall hearing that when people checked into the business -that is has 2 employees (joe & his boss) and sales of about $250,000. Which is enough to support two people anyway after accounting for expenses etc. In my printing business, its pretty much the rule of thumb that your sales should be at least $125,000 per employee. So if Joe was thinking about buying his bosses business that makes $250,000 he wouldnt even be affected by the tax increase for those who make over $250,000 income. And its also not impossible for him as an employee to buy the business. Often the owner will settle for a payment plan over a period of time - when selling to an employee or group of employees. He was obviously used as a propaganda tool by McCains campaign, on the other hand he got millions worth of free publicity which he can now capitalize on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Ebbie Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:09 PM "Seems to me that, if I'm not mistaken, Liddy and Ayers have one thing in common and that is that they are both ex-cons..."Bobert In actuality, Bobert, William Ayers was never convicted and served no time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Beer Date: 05 Nov 08 - 01:54 PM Joe Who?? Gone. No more to be heard of. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Alice Date: 05 Nov 08 - 02:27 PM Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers turned themselves in on December 3, 1980, in New York, with substantial media coverage. Charges were dropped for Ayers. the above from the Wikipedia page on the Weatherman organization. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Sawzaw Date: 05 Nov 08 - 10:50 PM Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers were fugitives for 10 years, they were on FBI wanted posters. They supported them selves by snatching purses and other "activities". They eventually went on trial but were acquitted because of mistakes made by investigators. After acquittal Bill said he was "guilty as hell, free as a bird" Did Liddy resist arrest or anything? Did he run away and hide like a chickenshit weasel? Does he run away call the police when someone asks him questions? Did he bomb a police station and then call the police for protection? Yer guy has advocating shooting people... No, not just anyone but federal agents. Yer guy has advocated "kill your parents" Yer guy was one of four authors of a book that stated "WE are Communist Women and men." Ayers: "we stole wallets and purses without much concern for our victims." "It was a risky business that could reel out of control without warning. We were trying to learn artfulness and stealth, and stealing purses was definitely from the old school. More important, these papers were unreliable, and had a short shelf life. As soon as they were reported missing, everything stopped working, and it could prove disastrous to buy a car, for example, or rent an apartment." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Nov 08 - 11:00 PM So, Joe the Plumber and Joe Six-Pack are so last week. Now, the big question is, will Bill Ayers get an invitation to the White House? If he doesn't, does that make another non-issue? How about Rev. Wright? How about Obama's Kenyan birth record? I hope they're ALL non-issues. It's time to get down to the business of ending the wars and fixing the economy. After that, maybe we can fix our health care and our schools. Obama was elected President by a landslide. He is the president the American people want, whether his detractors want to accept that or not. And if his detractors believe in their country and its democratic process as much as they claim to, why waste any more time trying to destroy him? There's no room for questioning the will of the people in this election - this is not 2000 or 2004, when Bush barely squeaked by. -Joe the Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 06 Nov 08 - 06:20 PM Bill Ayers will be appointed Secretary of Education. Obama's Kenyan birth record will be sent to Iran so they can blackmail him with it, and Reverend Wright will self-destruct on January twentieth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Bobert Date: 06 Nov 08 - 06:31 PM Thanks for the assist, Eb... Well, gol danged!!! Here the righties have been jumpin' all over Ayers as if he were comparable to Liddy... Liddy is 100 times worse... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 08 - 07:33 PM Letter in Thursday's Guardian from one David Hall in London: "Yes we can." So Joe the plumber was beaten by Bob the builder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Ron Davies Date: 06 Nov 08 - 09:47 PM Kevin, for US consumption you might have to say that "Bob the Builder", whose slogan is in fact "Can we do it? Yes we can!", is a UK cartoon character. But I thought the quote from the letter was great. Admittedly I have an unfair advantage, being married to an Englishwoman. ( Kendall has the same unfair advantage). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 06 Nov 08 - 09:57 PM This could be the hour for Bob the Builder in the USA as well, what with that slogan. Here is a link about a Bob the Builder event in Oregon right now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: CarolC Date: 06 Nov 08 - 10:11 PM Bob the Builder is shown on many public television stations in the US. I expect that parents and children in the US know a lot about Bob the Builder... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22bob+the+builder%22+%22public+television%22&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Ron Davies Date: 06 Nov 08 - 10:18 PM Not necessarily-- unless they have had children who watched those cartoons.. Some will catch the reference and some won't. No harm in helping it along. By the way, Carol, thanks for all your work in North Carolina. It really paid off. Now all we have to wait for is Missouri. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Nov 08 - 01:27 AM Hey Rig: That is Comrade Ayers. "we are Communist women and men" "We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:46 AM And if we let any communists into government, they might nationalize the banks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Nov 08 - 05:16 PM Sawz- I suggest that you don't vote for Mr. Ayres. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Alice Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:24 PM in retrospect, Joe the Plumber (click) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: CarolC Date: 07 Nov 08 - 06:32 PM LOL! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: katlaughing Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:25 PM Now he is going to head a watchdog org. to make sure the politicians do their jobs: From National Review NRO: So what's next for Joe the Plumber? Will you run for Congress? JTP: Well, I won't be the next guy on The Bachelor. I don't plan on being a country music star, and I have no interest in Congress for at least ten years. I'm hoping this watchdog group comes to fruition and that will be what I spend most of my time on for the next few years to come. I'm starting two websites, which are still getting up and running, but we're getting incredible feedback. The first website, secureourdream.com, is going to be a watchdog group to make sure that we hold not only the Democrats but also the Republicans accountable and make sure that they remember that they're working for us. Too many times they get on the Hill and they forget that — they get a sense of entitlement. We want to take that sense of entitlement away and make sure they're working for us and not the other way around. If that interest was there prior to the bailout, maybe we could have headed that off. The second website, secureourdream.org, is going to be a charity. Americans give more money to charity than any other nation in the world and that's where I think spreading the wealth should start. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Nov 08 - 07:47 PM Alan Keyes is the politician he looks up to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:02 PM I rather thought he'd find a way to parlay his 15 minutes of fame into something more. And I note that "I have no interest in Congress for at least ten years" .............................. Americans give more money to charity than any other nation in the world That's a bit questionable, at least when it comes to giving money internationally. See here Charity across the world - showing the USA as almost at the bottom of table per head of population. Maybe he was talking about giving at a local level - sort of "charity begins at home". I don't know how the comparative figure work out there. (But of course "begins" isn't the same as "finishes".) Maybe Joe's watchdog group could find time to look at this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Nov 08 - 09:18 PM McGrath - When American right-wingers talk about giving money to charity, it's been my experience that they are usually talking about giving money to churches. That money is then used to promote their own personal political agendas, and to freeze non-believers out of the community it terms of commerce and political participation. It's still tax deductable, which never made any sense to me, so they still call it charitable giving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Ron Davies Date: 08 Nov 08 - 10:54 AM More oversimplification by our dean of the half-truth. Some churches give to their own causes and some do real charity--charity which would be recognized as such by any thinking person. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Nov 08 - 12:28 PM I'm only going to respond in this manner: When churches organize people to go on missions in poor places in the world, they do indeed raise the standard of living for a lot of the folks they come into contact with. The price the indigenous population pays for that is to consent to be converted to the brand of religion that these missionaries represent. Each individual will have to make up his/her own mind as to whether or not this is a good or a bad thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Nov 08 - 12:48 PM So what about left-wingers in the USA when it comes to charity giving? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Nov 08 - 02:29 PM There are left wing charities, in some cases, are like left wing government. They take in huge amounts in donations, but often eat up most of the money in administration. The United Way has been like that in the past, though I haven't heard much about them lately. There are organizations like "Habitat for Humanity," who build houses for poor people, but get into disputes with other groups when they are found to be giving houses to people who are illegally in the country. And there are self proclaimed charitable groups, organized along lines for specific purposes, like the Sierra Club, who profess to be in favor of environmental issues, but are actually more interested in their own political agenda. In the end, I suppose, left wing charity is mostly that which is dispensed through government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Uncle_DaveO Date: 08 Nov 08 - 04:19 PM Rig made the blanket assertion: When churches organize people to go on missions in poor places in the world, they do indeed raise the standard of living for a lot of the folks they come into contact with. The price the indigenous population pays for that is to consent to be converted to the brand of religion that these missionaries represent. I grant you that this has been fairly common, but it's far from universally true. The Quaker (Friends) and the Unitarian-Universalist efforts, just for instance, are not proselytizing, and I expect that there are a number of other missions that are similar. Dave Oesterreich |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Bobert Date: 08 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM Wow, haven't checked on Joe the Plumber fir a few days and geeze.... Seeems ahs got relgion and is off to become a missionary... Fact is stranger than fiction... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Nov 08 - 09:44 AM You don't have to go overseas to find churches doing good things without trying to convert. After Katrina, churches were some of the first groups to help out--and they did not insist those they helped out be believers. In addition to being some of the first on the scene--much faster than government, since many were already there-- they also were some of the most effective--since they knew the conditions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: SINSULL Date: 17 Feb 10 - 04:20 PM He's back! Poor Joe. McCain ruined his life. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81035-joe-the-plumber-tears-into-john-mccain |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: mousethief Date: 17 Feb 10 - 05:32 PM "McCain was trying to use me," Wurzelbacher said, Verrrrrrry Goooooood, Joe. A little late, but you got it, finally. O..O =o= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 17 Feb 10 - 10:44 PM Whether he believes that or not, it got him back in the news. Is he getting ready to run for something, now the the Democrats have screwed things up so badly? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: mousethief Date: 17 Feb 10 - 10:58 PM He's certainly stupid and ill-educated enough to be a prime candidate for the Tea-Partiers. They like that. O..O =o= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe the Plumber From: Riginslinger Date: 18 Feb 10 - 08:21 AM It doesn't seem like "educated," in the traditional sense, translates into competent government, though, given what's gone on lately. |
