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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: Gulliver Date: 06 Sep 08 - 11:30 PM OMG! Nerd by name, and Nerd by nature! I think Bonnie has explained this--thanks Bonnie. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 08 Sep 08 - 05:00 AM Good news, Ceoltoiri Chluain Tarbh (the Reel Clontarf) had a fantastic turnout at our registration on Saturday morning 6th. Classes start back next Saturday 13th September, between 9 and 11.30 in Marino VEC, Fairview (where we always were). It's hard to keep a good thing down! Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST Date: 05 Nov 08 - 08:17 PM Whats happening in the Classac building? Are classes being held there, is it possible to join children in a ceili band or group? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: knight_high Date: 07 Nov 08 - 05:46 PM The Macalla Concert tour was supposed to be in the Clasac centre on Friday, October 24th. Does anybody know if this went ahead and were there many attending? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: GUEST,Guest Date: 07 Nov 08 - 08:33 PM Classes take place in Clasac every Saturday morning - see http://comhaltas.ie/locations/detail/cluaintarbh/ for more informtion. I've heard that the Macalla na hEireann concert was highly successful and drew a full house. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST Date: 10 Nov 08 - 08:41 PM The Macalla concert in Classac was 'invited guests' so to make sure it was a full house! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 17 Nov 08 - 07:03 AM Tempting as it might be to participate in events in the Clasac Theatre, it would be appreciated if our neighboring branches of Comhaltas and music friends everywhere, would insist that Comhaltas HQ afford an appeal process to Cluain Tarbh, before agreeing to step into the breach left by our expulsion from Comhaltas and the Clasac Theatre. Is this a fair request?? Eileen O'Connor Comhaltas Cluain Tarbh (ex) Ceoltoiri Chulain Tarbh |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: The Sandman Date: 17 Nov 08 - 07:51 AM Yes,very reasonable. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: Declan Date: 17 Nov 08 - 07:44 PM Some people have been mentioning events and sessions at Classach to me. I've told them that I will not darken the door of the place until the issue of the expulsion of the former branch has been resolved. I'm sure my non attendence at events is not going to prove earth shattering to Comhaltas, but I have no intention of lending any credence to the new branch or their activities by getting involved with anything that happens there until things have been sorted out. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: knight_high Date: 18 Nov 08 - 08:37 AM I agree Declan. What Ceoltóirí Chluain Tarbh are asking for is not unreasonable. Clasac should not be supported until Ceoltóirí Chluain Tarbh get an appeal hearing. This will end in tears for Comhaltas HQ and the Ard Comhairle when they are asked to explain their actions in a court of law. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 18 Nov 08 - 08:43 AM > ...if our neighboring branches of Comhaltas and music friends everywhere, would insist that Comhaltas HQ afford an appeal process to Cluain Tarbh, before agreeing to step into the breach left by our expulsion from Comhaltas and the Clasac Theatre. Is this a fair request?? Yes. A very fair request. I hope it receives the widespread support it deserves. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 19 Nov 08 - 04:38 AM Thanks Bonnie, Knight High, Declan, Cap'n Birdseye. Wish I could hang a banner across the East Link Toll, and across the railway bridge at Clontarf, and maybe the pedestrian bridge Fairview for good measure with this request. This is a good forum, but limited in numbers it reaches. Please spread the word. Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: GUEST,GUEST Date: 22 Nov 08 - 07:40 PM It beggars belief that some branches would even consider going to Clasac for sessions or whatever whilst the dissolved branch is still out in the cold while their repeated requests for independant arbritration are constantly ignored. Word has it that Comhatlas is frantically going around the Dublin branches begging any of them to come to Clasac for their sessions. It would be horrible if those Dublin branches took advantage of Clontarf's misfortune at being bullied out of Clasac by Comhaltas. Will nobody stick up for the victim of Comhaltas' bullying - namely the dissolved Clontarf branch? Does the bully always win in the end? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Jim Martin Date: 24 Nov 08 - 10:22 PM Seems like it! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,guest5 Date: 25 Nov 08 - 01:37 PM I agree with guest,guest as one north Dublin branch are holding their Christmas night out/party in the local GAA club and not in the Clasac building. Who is funding the day to day running costs of the building or does FAS have a hand in this also!!! Who is using the building ??? I don't see music advertised ! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,RTE Listener. Date: 25 Nov 08 - 02:30 PM guest5, do bear in mind that not everyone reading this is Irish, and might not have heard of the recent revelations about the financial happenings with FAS! Briefly, the "High Heid Yins", as we say in Scotland, have been running up vast "Expenses" going on "Fact-Finding Missions" (with their spouses) to USA, flying "Business Class", holding meetings during rounds of golf (aye, right), etc etc etc. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: GUEST Date: 02 Dec 08 - 12:50 PM Couldn't agree with you more RTE Listener and lets not forget the Progressive Democrats (recently deceased) and Mary Harney's hair do, or more to the point "who paid for it?"
Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: caitlin rua Date: 02 Dec 08 - 02:20 PM In case any non-Irish readers are a bit baffled by the last three posts: FÁS (pronounced Foss) (rhymes with Loss) is a government agency dealing with employment issues.* It comes as a surprise to no one here that they are as corrupt as the rest of them - at a time when there is a recession and huge unemployment, and it's getting worse. The Progressive Democrats are a political party which has recently disbanded. Mary Harney is the current Minister for Health and Children and you can look her up in Wiki & elsewhere if you have the stomach for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Harney I had to take a friend to the emergency unit of the nearest hospital - which is 30 miles away - and it was a ten-hour wait. Trolleys of patients waiting to be seen were lined up on both sides of the corridor (which they have informally named the Mary Harney Ward). The staff there were brilliant (no one is criticising them) but - get this - there was ONE doctor on duty, and in addition to his skilled medical work he had to FILL OUT THE EFFING PAPERWORK, causing immeasurable delays. Not to mention stressing him out at a time when he desperately needed to be able to think clearly. But hey. At least we have an A&E unit. I hear they are trying to close the only one in another county. This is the crowd that keeps Larry in power and protects him from the consequences of his and his ruling committee's arbitrary and self-interested acts. And from what I read, it looks like they are getting away with the hijacking of Clasac. Bertie's children. (Bertie is the previous Taoiseach/Prime Minister, recently ousted for corruption.) Eileen or anyone - what is the latest development? Trying to read between the lines leaves me with the impression that things could be better. What's been happening? * http://www.fas.ie/en/ [formerly Guest caitlín] |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Emmo Date: 03 Dec 08 - 05:10 AM Rumour has it that the County Board refuse to let the matters to be discussed at their meetings because it is sub judice. Is this really true? Is Cluain Tarbh taking Comhaltas to court? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: knight_high Date: 03 Dec 08 - 11:58 AM I guess this would be useful to know. I see from the Cluain Tarbh website that correspondance has gone out to Branches giving information on this situation. If this is brought up at meetings, those of us in Comhaltas who support Cluain Tarbh in this regard - and there are many - we would like to know the true picture as it stands at present re court action, etc. This is the AGM season, so now is the time. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Frank Date: 04 Dec 08 - 04:42 PM The (ex-)Clontarf branch have not initiated proceedings against Comhaltas. So no, Emmo, it isn't true. The matter is NOT sub judice and so can be discussed freely at any forum. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen Date: 05 Dec 08 - 05:48 AM What Frank says is true. Ceoltoiri Cluain Tarbh have used a solicitor to formally lodge their appeal to CCE head office. No court proceedings have been initiated. The matter is NOT sub judice. H/O are using the "sub judice" term to stifle any reasoned discussion among the many concerned members of CCE. Please feel free to discuss the dissolution of the former CCE Cluain Tarbh branch at any forum. Also, there is plenty to discuss about the uses Clasac might be put to, and who might occupy it. Freedom of speech still exists in 2008 in Ireland, doesn't it?? Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Jim Martin Date: 05 Dec 08 - 06:23 AM Not in CCE ...........apparently! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 05 Dec 08 - 06:35 AM > Freedom of speech still exists in 2008 in Ireland, doesn't it?? Yep. Unfortunately this includes freedom to manipulate, distort, and blind one with PR & snow-jobs. Putting out "sub judice" rumours is a perfect case in point. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Emmo Date: 13 Dec 08 - 05:41 AM There's something of the old Joe Stalin thing about it....squash all discussion about them, don't allow any reference in the fleadh programme, don't even mention their name....sure it will be like they never existed in the first place! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 15 Dec 08 - 07:41 AM You're right Emmo. It's outrageous when you think about it. To censor ALL discussion on an inssue as big (and expensive) as the Clasac, and Cluain Tarbh's dissolution by ALL the members of Comhaltas is not what we'd expect in 2008. What's even worse is the success of the censorship campaign. How does he do it, and why do we let it happen??? I hear that this is happening again to another neighbouring branch of ours even as I write this. Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Phil the fluther Date: 31 Dec 08 - 06:41 AM I passed by the Clasach building the other night but there was no sign of any activity - the gates were shut and the lights were off. I'd heard there was supposed to be lots of music going to happen there. Anybody know what's going on? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST Date: 01 Jan 09 - 09:24 PM Met lots of young musicians from the ex clontarf cce in gweedore playing great music along with musicians from beaumont sean treacy and kinseally branches over the new year holiday. If Classac was available to them perhaps thats where they might have been! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST Date: 02 Jan 09 - 04:43 PM Great to see so many fantastic musicians playing wonderful music on the Wren on St Stephens Day. They were from the dissolved branch of Cluain Tarbh C.C.E. What is Labras about having them outside the organisation. I really think he should go and all his Ard Comhairle. In these recessionary times it will be interesting to see if he will still be able to swindle grants out of the Government and come along and disband branches when he takes a dislike to them and put in his own people as was done in the case of Clasach. Anyhow I would like to wish Ceoltoiri Cluain Tarbh all the best for 2009 and keep up the good work you are doing in the name of Traditional Irish Music, Song and Dance. There are a lot of people behind you. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: GUEST Date: 06 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM Phil the Fluther, if you're passing there tonight be sure to drop in as there's a session on from around 8.30pm - see details at http://comhaltas.ie/events/detail/sean_treacy_comhaltas_session/ |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 14 Jan 09 - 04:25 AM Sorry to see Sean Treacy taking advantage of the dispute over Clasac. A good opportunity for your branch, to step into the void. However, its not exactly showing solidarity with Clontarf, but I suppose it's a free world. A good music club is about great teaching, great fun and great music. A building is just a building. I'm happy to report we have these three ingredients in spades, and have a fantastic calendar of social and learning events for young and old(er) for 2009. Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,PL Date: 20 Jan 09 - 05:43 PM Some discussion about the latest, three million of state money flowing into Comhaltas coffers here |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Emmo Date: 23 Jan 09 - 05:57 AM Eileen Some in Sean Treacy are less gleeful than others about that "opportunity". There are some conscientious objectors in the branch who are refusing attend the session in Clasac. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: caitlin rua Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:04 AM Who or what is Sean Treacy, and what happened? I think some of us beyond-the-Palers are a little lost! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Emmo Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:15 AM Sean Treacy CCE is a branch of Comhaltas based on the northside of Dublin. According to http://comhaltas.ie/events/detail/sean_treacy_comhaltas_session/ they have taken up residency in Clasac on friday nights in the vacuum created by the dissolution of the local Clontarf branch |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: caitlin rua Date: 23 Jan 09 - 08:24 AM Just out of interest, how far do they have to travel to get to Clasac? Is the Sean Treacy branch fairly nearby for them and easy to reach? (Which is part of what makes a branch "local".) Carrion crows - they should be ashamed. [formerly Guest caitlín] |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Eileen O'Connor Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:18 AM Emmo, thanks for clearing that up. I can imagine that the issue of playing music in Clasac would be a difficult one for any branch. I hope it is not causing too much disharmony for Sean Treacy branch. This type of difficulty is a spin off of the whole debacle. It should make the neighbouring branches of Comhaltas more aware of the disgraceful treatment of Clontarf and maybe encourage them to seek an appeal for Clontarf at the next Dublin County Board meeting. If Clontarf was given their rightful place on the Board of Management of Clasac, all branches could all use the fantastic facility with light hearts. What a fabulous meeting place it would be for all our musicians, young and old. I look forward to that day. Caitlin Rua, Sean Treacy are local enough to Clasac building One other issue, the Dublin feis is being held in Clasac. This raises issues for the young musicians of Ceoltoiri Cluain Tarbh who are reluctant to play in Clasac. The organisers must know this. As Cluain Tarbh have been huge supporters of the feis over many many years, is this an opportunity to put the squeeze on us again? What about the fleadh, where will that be held?? Eileen |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,J.J. Date: 26 Jan 09 - 10:34 AM If it is held in Clasach, I believe there would be a boycott of the Feis by many musicians. I wonder how much the organisers of the Feis know about the dispute over Clasach, or are they walking into this blind-folded? Certainly, if the Cluain Tarbh musicians stay away, it won't be much of an event. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: Jim Carroll Date: 30 Jan 09 - 04:11 AM "Ceoltoiri Cluain Tarbh dont be fooled, you need CCE!" On the other hand, wouldn't it be nice if CCE felt it needed Ceoltoiri Cluain Tarbh - shouldn't that be the case? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: caitlin rua Date: 30 Jan 09 - 05:28 AM What you ALL need is some transparency with regard to the ruling structure at HQ, and some power to affect it. But it looks as though they can do what they like, whenever they like, without any redress or consequences, while the members go on paying their dues without a voice. This is only the latest instance of it. But politicians always look out for their own, so it's no wonder nobody can touch Murphy, decade after decade after decade. He's got a cushy perch and his powerful pals in the government, honest lads all. ;-( Good luck to the rest of yas. If CCE is to retain any credibility in the Real World they should at least make an attempt at operating fairly. It's a measure of their contempt for the people beneath them (who provide a lot of the practical support) that they don't even bother going through the motions of fairness. Does it then surprise them that they (the leadership not the branch rank-&-file) are despised by so many musicians? And they are, make no mistake about that. So, Sean Tracy: Clontarf's children and parents did all the slog work for years to achieve a building worthy of their talent and efforts, now you get to come lick the cream. There's a word for that, three syllables, starts with the letter P. Feel good about yourselves? . |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Emmo Date: 30 Jan 09 - 05:33 AM Why have the organisers of the Temple Bar Trad allowed their festival to be contaminated by internal Comhaltas politics? Why have they allowed their integrity to be compromised by such blatant unfairness? I support this festival every year, always attending a good number of the concerts. NOT THIS YEAR THOUGH! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: caitlin rua Date: 30 Jan 09 - 07:10 AM > I notice the young musicians from the troubled Clontarf Branch of CCE have been overlooked by the organisers of the Temple Bar TradFest... It would seem Labhras has power outside of Monkstown. > Why have the organisers of the Temple Bar Trad allowed their festival to be contaminated by internal Comhaltas politics? Fear of reprisals, overt or covert? It's a common tactic among dictators. Those in the head office can do anything they want to. There's no facility in place to stop them. Handy, isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Northsider Date: 30 Jan 09 - 01:04 PM I don't know if it is true that Temple Bar Trad have sidelined the Clontarf musicians - perhaps someone might verify the truth or otherwise of this. If it is true it is a needless escalation of this dispute. What is needed is to de-escalate this dispute and to find some resolution. For that to happen uninvolved parties like temple bar trad and the feis should not align themselves so closely with one of the parties. they should just stay out of it. this dispute has gone on far too long and the ripples are getting increasingly damaging to traditional music in dublin. if the posts on this blog are to be believed the feis will be boycotted by at least some musicians and sean treacy session has been affected. for gods sake cce and clontarf can you not get together and resolve it now before it totally wrecks traditional music in dublin. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Frank Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:39 PM Northsider Its not as though we (in Cluain Tarbh) haven't tried! We appealed our dissolution last June. Seven months later we are still waiting for a reply. The appeal was not even dignified with a refusal. We have also asked for mediation to resolve the disputed issues. There was an approach made by the Mayor and other members of Dublin City Council - around last May if my memory serves me correctly. This initiative got short shrift as well. What more can we do, Northsider? Frank Flynn |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: Declan Date: 30 Jan 09 - 02:50 PM While I'm a supproter of Ceoltoiri Chluain Tarbh, I think the notion that they are being boycotted by the Temple Bar Trad festival is a bit far fetched. I'd like to see some detail as to which members were booked previously, how did they get booked and in what capacity. I don't know much about the organisers of Temple BAr Trad, but I have huge doubts as to whether they would be suseptible to influence from CCE head office in their booking policy. I know that Paddy Seamus and Kevin Glackin who have shown support for CCT at previous events are included on the bill. By the wayh I enjoyed the quiz on Monday night. Well done to Brendan and the other organisers. Great turn out showed the level of support around the area for CCT. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,teresa Date: 30 Jan 09 - 08:19 PM I dont think the organisers of the TradFest deliberately sidelined the young Clontarf musicians but by contacting CCE who dont acknowledge they exhist anymore they have been ignored in favour of Craobh Naithi and Sean Treacy branches. Its difficult for the young Clontarf musicians as they are friendly with members of these branches and feel hurt not to be included. By not being permitted to be in Comhaltas these teenagers are missing out on opportunities that would encourage them to continue playing Irish music for life. |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Teresa Date: 02 Feb 09 - 04:15 AM Wonderful to see the young excuminicated clontarf musicians in Temple Bar yesterday to meet up with and support their friends in the participating branches. It was too cold for them all to get a chance to have a sessiun outside and unfortunately they could find nowhere to go to play. Surely this is what Classac was for. It would have been perfect for a juvenile sessiun. Monkstown wake up and utilise this beautiful building you now have acquired! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: Barry Finn Date: 02 Feb 09 - 05:02 PM Losing the youth would be liking to completely losing one's purpose. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interruptus From: GUEST,Northsider Date: 04 Feb 09 - 05:07 AM Barry you are correct in what you say. effectively there were four branches on the northside of dublin that attracted a significant number of children. within an eight month period last year two of these were gone. one was thrown out and one walked unwilling to accept the lack of democracy in comhaltas. i dont know the exact figures but i can safely say that this amounts to a loss of several hundred young people. you're right Barry, the comhaltas heirarchy have lost sight of their mission! |
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Subject: RE: Battle of Clontarf-round two/Comhaltas Interru From: Bonnie Shaljean Date: 04 Feb 09 - 07:28 AM Do the leaders in their unchallengeable power pay attention to ANYTHING anyone says? Even those members right on their doorstep, who are so vitally affected? If it's not about furthering the music through the youth, what is it about??? People in cushy jobs appropriating valuable assets and hanging onto their perks? Their silence is deafening. If you bosses at the high table want to retain any credibility at all, this time I think you're going to have to actually deal with opponents instead of running away and cowering behind self-serving Rules which are not subject to any fair process of change. You need to step out of your dictatorial ivory tower and actually interact with your community, even (I write it in a whisper) consider amending your stance, compromising and meeting them halfway. "Your community" is everyone, not just the people who agree with you. That means engaging with dissenters, not simply banishing them POOOOF-you're-not-there-so-the-problem-isn't-either. "Your community" means the nurturing of music, not your all-powerful positions in head office. "Your community" - and your future - means YOUR CHILDREN. You leaders can't simply blame Clontarf and walk away - you're responsible too. And the current state of affairs is not doing you any good either - it isn't just the kids who are losing out. Is it really in your own interest to have such a large, organised number of people angry, alienated, and divided? Because a resource they worked long and hard for has been hi-jacked, without due process of arbitration or appeal? The dispute may be local but the bad smell wafts far beyond Dublin, and it's going to linger in the atmosphere. I know it's tantamount to admitting that the seizing of Clasac was, at the very least, ill-considered and you don't like the feel of egg running down your face. But there's far a nastier substance than egg on it. We have the internet now, and we can meet and talk to each other over great distances, in public or in private, and you can't control it. Climbing down a bit will not make you look nearly so bad as you do at the moment. Take responsibility for your own part in this - which is a large one - and show some courage instead of hiding beneath your desks and hoping it will Go Away. It won't. It's not too late. Heal this, now, before this rift widens and grows more bitter - it's even causing splits in the branches from the sound of things. You're the only ones who can, since you've seen to it that you're the only ones with the power. It will also salvage at least some of the respect you have squandered. For the good of the whole body, it's time for some changes in the head. |
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