BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 11:01 AM

"Nasrallah: Weapons won't be surrendered

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah told hundreds of thousands of supporters Friday that his guerrillas will never surrender their weapons — including 20,000 rockets he claims his group has left after its 34-day war with Israel. "No army in the world will be able to make us drop the weapons from our hands," the black-turbaned cleric said defiantly in his first public appearance since the start of the war in July. "

(looking for the article I posted where Leb. gov't declares it will not disarm Hexboallah...)



UN Security Council Resolution/1701

...– full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that REQUIRE the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of 27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese State;

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 11:07 AM

I think that the Lebanese have learned from Israel what a UN resolution is worth.

Would you like for the UN to start enforcing all of them? or just the ones that are to your advantage?

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 11:10 AM

I'm not the one who is saying that Israel is the only one who is complying with the resolution, so it's not my responsibility to document that assertion. It is the responsibility of those who are making that assertion to provide documentation for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 11:11 AM

I still don't see any evidence that the government of Lebanon is not making its best effort to accomplish the disarmament of the militias.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 12:20 PM

BTW, the documentation showing that the government of Lebanon has made an effort to disarm the militias is in some of the UN resolutions, which commend the government of Lebanon for its efforts toward this end. The link for the 2006 resolutions has already been provided by another poster, and the 2004 resolutions can be found here...

http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions04.html

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jul 08 - 03:20 PM

Are you saying that that Jews from Arab countries are not Arabs?

There is not one Arab government, not one, including Morocco (which is the friendliest Arab government to its Jewish population, and which is virtually the only Arab country that still has much of a Jewish population, although a fraction of what it once was) that recognizes Jews as Arabs.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 04:39 AM

"documentation showing that the government of Lebanon has made an effort to disarm the militias is in some of the UN resolutions, which commend the government of Lebanon for its efforts toward this end." - CarolC

Well here is a link to the Resolution that CarolC is referring to, oddly enough there is no mention of any commendation for the Government of Lebanon with regard to its efforts towards disarming militias - Unless of course voicing "Grave Concern" is a commendation

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/498/92/PDF/N0449892.pdf?OpenElement

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:00 AM

Since I didn't specify which one(s) I was referring to, I guess someone is making up their "facts" as they go along again. I'll go fetch the ones that I actually was referring to.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Jul 08 - 11:42 AM

It is not necessary to use the word "commend" in order to commend someone. One can commend someone simply by speaking with approval (formally or officially) of that person or those persons...

Commend:

3 : to mention with approbation

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/commend


Approbation:

2 a: an act of approving formally or officially

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/approbation


Since the charge that I was responding to with the post in question was that the government of Lebanon made no effort at all to comply with the resolutions, these parts of some of the resolutions prove that the charge to be false...


1553

Encourages the Government of Lebanon to continue efforts to ensure the return of its effective authority throughout the south,

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/444/64/PDF/N0444464.pdf?OpenElement


1559

Noting the determination of Lebanon to ensure the withdrawal of all non-Lebanese forces from Lebanon,

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N04/498/92/PDF/N0449892.pdf?OpenElement


1680

Noting positively that further significant progress has been made towards implementing in full all provisions of resolution 1559

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N06/351/77/PDF/N0635177.pdf?OpenElement


1701

Welcoming the efforts of the Lebanese Prime Minister and the commitment of the Government of Lebanon, in its seven-point plan, to extend its authority over its territory, through its own legitimate armed forces,

http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N06/465/03/PDF/N0646503.pdf?OpenElement


It's true that the UN also has encouraged the government of Lebanon to continue its efforts, but that doesn't mean that the UN has determined that the government of Lebanon is not complying. There is no language in any of the resolutions saying the government of Lebanon is in defiance of the UN resolutions.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Jul 09 - 08:40 AM

July 20th, 2009
Lebanese villagers wound U.N. peackeepers investigating blast
Posted: 08:27 AM ET
BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) — A crowd in southern Lebanon threw rocks at U.N. peacekeepers over the weekend, wounding 14 of them in an effort to prevent the investigation of an explosion in the area, the United Nations said.

The troops with the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) were lightly wounded, and some vehicles were damaged including a UNIFIL ambulance, officials said.

The explosion took place Tuesday in Khirbet Salim, in what Lebanese authorities said was an uninhabited house. Ammunition stored there caused the blast due to the high temperature and humidity, Lebanese officials said.

The region is a stronghold for Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group and political party that fought a war with Israel in 2006. Hezbollah has carried out attacks against civilians, and the United States and Israel list the group as a terrorist organization.

UNIFIL called last week's explosion "a serious violation of Security Council resolution 1701," which was aimed at ending the 2006 conflict, "notably the provision that there should be no presence of unauthorized assets or weapons in the area of operation between the Litani River and the Blue Line."

Israel said the blast indicated that Hezbollah continues to store weapons near the Israeli border.

Israeli Ambassador Gabriela Shalev argued that the Lebanese Army had assisted Hezbollah in preventing U.N. personnel was from investigating the scene.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 07:41 AM

wsll in the Bible you have Jesus being killed, by the romans, but the Jews had their hands in the murder as well, I mean look at the four gospels Matt,Mark,Luke and John. And also what about the films from hollywood and elsewhere, so Israel doesn't store weapons at it border either and going up the Suez Canal with it's war ships then , and the news in thr internet and Jewish newspapers are all wrong

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:22 AM

I thought that only people born in Israel/palstine have the right to bulid there not Anyone else, because that land doesn't belong to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 10:33 AM

goatfell

Learn to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:50 PM

If you are NOT born in Israel or anywhere else then that land DOESN'T belong to you. beardbruce

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:51 PM

How can someone who is born in America or Britian or anywhere else other than Israel think they belong to Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: goatfell
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:53 PM

one final word and that is STOP BEING A PRIG

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 02:58 PM

Goatfell,

The article posted is of LEBANESE stoning UN forces, who were trying to investigate an explosion that indicates a violation BY THE LEBANESE of the cease-fire.

Were do you come in with blaming the Israelis?

Asshole.

Subject: RE: BS: Lebanon - Piece at last!
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:14 PM

August 4, 2009

Hezbollah stockpiles 40,000 rockets near Israel border

Three years after Israel fought a bloody war in Lebanon against Hezbollah, there are growing fears that hostilities could erupt again this time with the militant group better armed than ever.

According to Israeli, United Nations and Hezbollah officials, the Shia Muslim militia is today stronger than it was in 2006 when it took on the might of the Israeli army in a war that cost the lives of 1,191 Lebanese and 43 Israeli civilians.

Hezbollah has stockpiled up to 40,000 rockets and is training its forces to use ground-to-ground missiles capable of hitting Tel Aviv and anti-aircraft missiles that could challenge Israel's dominance of the skies over Lebanon.

Brigadier-General Alon Friedman, the deputy head of Israel's Northern Command, told The Times from his headquarters overlooking the Israeli-Lebanese border that the current stability was "in danger".

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He added that the peace, which has reigned over the rolling Biblical landscape for the past three years, could "explode at any minute".

His concerns were partly due to threats from Hezbollah's leadership. Last month, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's leader, warned that if the southern suburbs of Beirut were bombed as they were in the last war, he would strike back against Tel Aviv, Israel's largest city.

"We have changed the equation that had existed previously," he said. "Now the southern suburbs versus Tel Aviv, and not Beirut versus Tel Aviv."

Hezbollah's rearming is in the name of "resistance" against Israel. But the real reason probably has more to do with its ally Iran. If Israel carries out its threat to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, then the main retaliation is likely to come from its Hezbollah allies in Lebanon. Hezbollah is Iran's insurance policy.

All sides agree that the threat is not a bluff. Last month the scale of the Hezbollah build-up was revealed after an explosion at a huge Hezbollah ammunition bunker in the village of Khirbet Slim, 12 miles from the Israeli border.

Surveillance footage, obtained by The Times, reveals that Hezbollah fighters desperately tried to salvage rockets and other munitions from the site, while obstructions were placed in the way of Unifil peacekeepers coming to investigate.

Alain Le Roy, the head of UN peacekeeping operations, told the Security Council last month that the ammunition explosion amounted to a "serious violation" of UN resolution 1701, which imposed a ceasefire and arms ban after the 2006 war.

"A number of indications suggest that the depot belonged to Hezbollah, and, in contrast to previous discoveries by Unifil and the Lebanese Armed Forces of weapons and ammunition, that it was not abandoned but, rather, actively maintained," he said.

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