BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 08:18 AM

No one is going to invade Iceland to stop it whaling. Perhaps stopping the whaling might be a condition for joining the EU - but then you don't want Iceland to join the EU, slarpi. So what's the problem ?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 08:20 AM

It has long been the trade mark of 'do gooders' everywhere, to excuse their lack of consideration for the feelings of others, on the self righteous basis, that they know better than the poor benighted persons, who indulge in whatever it is they are agin.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Emma B
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 08:53 AM

"why dont (you) fight for human rights like slavery on children?'

Fortunately, the self righteous 'do gooders' finally succeeded in the US despite, as Richard Dawkins observed 'lots of people felt morally uneasy about slavery but went along with it because the whole economy of the South depended upon slavery.'

and the view held by some in the north that
"There is no right, and ought to be no inclination in the people of the free States to enter into the slave States, and interfere with the question of slavery at all."

Please excuse my lack of consideration for the feelings of the poor benighted slave owners of the past or those who control traffiked people in this day and age which you can bet your bottom dollar I'm 'agin' !

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:30 AM

Oh, it was your shoe!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Mississippi Saxaphone
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 09:52 AM

Fighting for the rights of humans and fighting for the rights of animals are NOT mutually exclusive!

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: skarpi
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 11:38 AM

McGrath , the problem is this , others and who are other they are
Greenpeace, other countrys are interfearing in our rights to use and
fish what is in our waters .

Like Emma pointed out Iceland is 320 thousand people , do we all eat whale ? no we dont , do we need to 100 whales ?? no we don´t
why , well Japan have their own hunting and are have enough for them self , for our inside country market we should maybe hunt 5 to 15
whales in one year . this man who owns that company he has not sold the meat yet , and I think even next year that will be a dying buisness
for him , but hunt 5 to ten whales ahould be okei every year .

Whats is going to me is ; the Interfearing .

Yes I am against EU , some things are good in EU but we are an Island
and there are some of us that are afraid that companys in Eroupe
will buy out the energy companys and the fishing industry.
that means if some others will get the energy , the price will go
up , and that is not what we need right now . its cold in Iceland
and people without work are not gonna use heat in their houses
if the price goes much up . and there are many other reasons
like the farming , but there are plus-es also .

I vote against EU .
we have sheingen and all we have is trouble our prison are full
immigrants homes are full..
we the EES witch mean that we already have over 65% of the EU
rools , and some of them we cant take becouse they dont fit in here .

just two weeks ago we an inspection on the view for EU and
75 % of the nation is against EU .
so why bother apply ? dont know , its only the minory of the left wing in our coverment whos trying go into EU .
Tell me , why does UK and Danmark use Euro for money ?

all the best Skarpi Iceland ,.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Sep 09 - 11:56 AM

It had to do with negligent work practice.[quote lox]
its the same thing, lack of investment,by not having someone checking,or double checking the work practices,employ more people to make sure the railways are safer, employ more people to check safety[thats investment]instead of paying people to be unemployed.
it is not irrelevant.
the eu would rather fritter money away on useless projects like straightening the approach road to Ballydehob.and then garda has to be employed to stop people speeding,if they had never done it in the first place,ther wiould be no necessity for the garda to sit there with a speedtrap.
finally lox said this[quote]"we'll by ruled by brussels (foreigners)"
   Lox as an Englishman living in Ireland,could I remind you that if I didnt like foreigners I wouldnt be living in IRELAND would I,Ireland is a foreign country filled with Paddys, some Rumanians some Poles,but worst of all too many fucking Brits[god how I hate those Brits especialy the ones with estuary accents]Why dont they go back to England or better still the costa brava.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Emma B
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 08:09 AM

"The first constituency in the country has declared official results in the Lisbon Referendum.

Tipperary South has voted Yes by a margin of 68.42%.

In the first Lisbon Referendum, Tipperary South was the closest to the National average - with a No vote of 53.21%, compared to a national figure of 53.4%."

RTE news today

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Lox
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 06:53 PM

"Lox as an Englishman living in Ireland,could I remind you that if I didnt like foreigners I wouldnt be living in IRELAND would I"

I didn't say anything about you or your like/dislike of foreigners.

I'm not interested in that.

what I'm interested in is this.


"its the same thing, lack of investment,by not having someone checking,or double checking the work practices,employ more people to make sure the railways are safer, employ more people to check safety[thats investment]instead of paying people to be unemployed.
it is not irrelevant."


What rubbish.


Someone was paid to examine the bridge and give his professional expert opinion. He did so, but was negligent.

The answer isn't to pay two men.

If the one man had done his Job properly the problems with the Bridge would have been dealt with.

He was responding the the concerns of sea scout and he decided he knew better and was criminally negligent.

He didn't take the sea scout seriously but decided that he knew better and couldn't be bothered to examine the bridge properly.

As clear cut a case of criminal negligence as I have ever seen.

Nonetheless you conclude that the collapse was a consequence of underinvestment.

And then advance that as an argument against Ireland signing up to an EU treaty.

Reading your argument reminds me of the time a small relative of mine proved to me that she could count to a hundred ...

1,2, skip a few, 99, 100.

... she was joking.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: GUEST,Teribus
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:57 AM

"brittania rules the waves is crap" - from the good soldier. Just a point of note there is no such song, I would have thought that an "englishman" would have known that.

My biggest gripe at the EU is its refusal to publish its budget and its complete and utter lack of transparency. It is wholey undemocratic being run by an unelected council of ministers Mandelson and Kinnock being two prime examples, the former sacked twice for corruption and the other who as the leader of a political party was turned down by the British electorate repeatedly.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 04:21 AM

that was a sad day for Ireland . :>(

never vote for EU or IMF
kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 05:13 PM

No a great day! Ireland comes in from the cold.
The old barriers are breaking down. The Irish will be weaned on Heinekens and Austrians on Smithwicks.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 06:31 PM

never vote for EU

Then vote "No", if the question of membership ever comes up for Iceland, and it won't happen unless most other Icelanders disagree with you, skarpi.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Oct 09 - 07:35 PM

About the same time Greenland joins the Organization of American States.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Emma B
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 11:36 AM

While Polish President, Lech Kaczyñski, had previously signed a parliamentary bill paving the way for Polish ratification of the Lisbon Treaty he had also said that it would have been pointless to give his final signature before a solution to the Irish no vote could be found.

After making the EU wait for 557 days since the Polish parliament passed the treaty and in full view of foreign VIPs and TV cameras, today he signed the Lisbon Treaty at a ceremony in Warsaw.


The cloud hanging over the event is Vaclav Klaus, the Czech president, who made clear on Friday that he plans to push for last-minute changes to the EU's new treaty at the upcoming 29 October summit despite the fact that both houses of the Czech parliament have ratified the treaty, in February and May

Some in the Czech Republio believe that the president is exceeding his powers and other member states may be wary about making concessions to the Czech president who has made his loathing for the traty very evident.
He has now told the president of the European parliament, Jerzy Buzek, that he wanted the treaty reopened to secure an exemption from the charter of fundamental rights which is appended to the treaty.

The leader of the Conservative party in the UK, David Cameron has encouraged Mr Klaus to hold out on ratifying the treaty

The UK Foreign Secretary has called upon the contents of the private letter from David Cameron to the Czech president to be made public.

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 02:17 PM

emma b,why are you so keen on this treaty?do youknow what it contains?

Subject: RE: BS: Irish vote on Lisbon treaty looms
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Oct 09 - 02:47 PM

Time for all the smaller economies to be good soldiers and get in step.