Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 May 25 - 07:37 PM

Doug and Backwoodsman, some of us Catholics are reasonably well-educated. We may not be the literalists you take us to be.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Donuel
Date: 16 May 25 - 09:11 PM

A positive side effect of Covid was a virtual stoppage of mass shootings. A million US deaths from disease was a poor trade off.
At the beginning of January 2021, Pope Francis expressed the view that vaccination was a moral obligation because one's own health and life as well as the lives of others were at stake, and that rejecting vaccination was “suicidal denialism”.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 May 25 - 05:48 AM

Even the reasonably well-educated, non-literalist Catholics must believe some of it or else they would be atheist/agnostic.

It's my guess that if you subtracted all of those from the 1.3 billion figure, there would still be more than enough to outweigh any conspiracy theory.

DC

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 May 25 - 06:16 AM

”Doug and Backwoodsman, some of us Catholics are reasonably well-educated. We may not be the literalists you take us to be.”

Statements like that serve to convince me, even more than I already was, of the mind-control that religious systems - not just the Church of Rome - have amassed over the centuries.

Doug expressed it much more eloquently than I could.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 17 May 25 - 07:58 AM

Joe, I think you may be reading more into my post than I am trying to say. I am not attacking the Church or anybody's beliefs.

Mary G's post of 15 May 25 - 01:19 AM referred to Pope John Paul I

.... who took on the very corrupt and intertwined Vatican and Italian banks and oops he died after 33 days in office.

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I am a sucker for conspiracy theories but I think the church, holy mother the church, has been involved.

I was pointing out that the control that the Church has, both in terms of the number of aherents and in its longevity, means that even the biggest potential scandal is nothing more than a blip, an itch that needs to be scratched.

DC

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 May 25 - 06:30 PM

The inaugural mass was this enormous outdoor spectacle;
I didn't see anything but the photos of it.
I would think the pope would be exhausted afterwards.
At least there was decent weather, with all those people.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 May 25 - 07:34 PM

I heard that J.D. Vance was there in the crowd. Hopefully he got nowhere near the pope.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 25 - 02:26 AM

A less Christian man it’s hard to imagine. Apart from the Fat, Orange, Badly-coiffed Baboon, of course.

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 May 25 - 04:18 AM

Pope Francis should be judged by his record, according to Wiki Throughout his papacy, Francis was noted for his humility, emphasis on God's mercy, international visibility, commitment to interreligious dialogue, and concern for the poor, migrants, and refugees

Subject: RE: Obit: Pope Francis (1936-2025) /Pope Leo XIV
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 25 - 07:34 AM

”A less Christian man it’s hard to imagine.”

My above comment was in response to SRS’s post and, of course, referred to Vance, not to His Holiness Pope Leo XIV.