BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 02:39 PM

I am used to it, Clinton, just like I'm used to conventional stupidity and conformity of all kinds...but that doesn't mean I approve of it. And I am keenly aware of the possible and advisable alternatives to it. I have lived in small communities where money was not the first consideration, although it was not, of course, ignored...it just didn't dominate people's mental agenda, that's all.

In other words, it was put in its proper place...as a mere tool to ease the exchange of valued goods and services, rather than as an end in itself. All anyone needs is enough money, and enough money is not really a whole lot of money. Tell that to a corporate CEO who doesn't give a shit what ecosystems he destroys and what people he enslaves in search of ever greater wealth for an arbitrary entity (the corporation) which began as a figment of someone's imagination.

Man, Clinton, instead of just repeating "that's just the way it is...things'll never change", why don't you try dreaming a little for a change? We do not have to just accept the status quo in this World. We can change it, little by little. We have the power to do that. Or do you think we are powerless? I tell you we are not.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 02:50 PM

Heh... idealism...   I tried it once... carried around the weight of the world... was gonna save it from itself... untill I came to realise that it doesn't even WANT to be saved... The more people try to change things the more things stay the same...

"why don't you try dreaming a little for a change"

Dreams... pfft... what good are dreams... you can't eat dreams... dreams won't keep you warm in winter...

And well, let's not blame the CEOs for destroying ecosystems... They're not the only ones guilty of that... the human race has been destroying the ecosystems of the world since we crawled up outa the ocean... The sterotype of the "Noble Savage" living in harmony with nature is a falacy... ask Easter Island, or any other place that ancient humans denuded...

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 01:27 AM

But I am already taking care of what I must in order to eat and stay warm, Clinton. And after that...I dream of better things, and I work toward them too. Survival and idealism are not mutually exclusive.

I think you've seriously lost faith in humanity...maybe because the ideals you once had couldn't be achieved completely enough or fast enought to suit you...so you gave up on them entirely.

If so, that is the key reason why we so often disagree on things.

I have tremendous faith in humanity, but I don't expect things to change quickly. Matter of fact, what I mainly expect is just this: that I can change myself. It is my ideals that make it possible for me to change. I don't expect to change the World. I expect to contribute to it in a small way. That's my job. I'm not here just to survive.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: Cluin
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 02:44 AM

Pity me. Stuck halfway between Blind River and Wawa.

Sorry to hear about the Horny Tim's closing up in BR though. That's my first piss-stop when heading east.

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: *daylia*
Date: 18 Apr 03 - 11:43 AM

So you're near the breathtakingly magnificent Lake Superior Provincial Park then Cluin? You are SO lucky ....

Clinton, about dreams - I know you're not much into the esoteric side of life, but did you know that Sir Frederick Banting "discovered" the basis for insulin in a dream? Or that Dr. James Watson discovered the double-helix structure of DNA in a dream?   

Another example - Elias Howe, who'd been stymied in his efforts to design a sewing machine for years, had a dream one night that he'd been captured by savages. They were circling around him, pointing spears at him when he noticed that at the tip of each spear was a hole. When he awoke he had the answer to his problem - put the hole near the tip of the needle! And so the sewing machine was invented.

Inspiration and artistic creativity are so often the products of dreams. Dreams are a vehicle into the subconscious/unconscious aspects of our minds, where the keys to understanding and solving life's mysteries are hidden. I never underestimate their importance.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 02:34 AM

There was an old man from Peru
Who dreamt he was eating his shoe
He awoke in the night
In a terrible fright
And found it was perfectly true.

19th century chemist August Kekulé formulated his hypothesis of the Benzene Ring after a dream of atoms writhing like snakes then grabbing each other's tails (an ass-grab dream that amounted to more than wet sheets). Einstein developed his Theory of Relativity after a sudden flash of insight while riding on a street car when he wasn't even thinking about his work.

Nothing freaky there... just the conscious mind getting out of the way so the unconscious mostly-right brain can come to bear on the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: *daylia*
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 10:12 AM

:) Love the limerick, Cluin!

And for a more "everyday" example of the nature of dreams, here's one of my own experiences. A couple months ago I awoke from a particularly vivid dream about one of my beginning piano students. The little boy was standing in front of me looking very uncomfortable, head down and stammering something I couldn't make out. His mom was sitting behind him watching. As his discomfort grew, so did my sympathy and I was about to ask his Mom what was going on when I woke up.

A couple hours later the phone rang - and it was the mother in my dream. She told me that her son wanted to take a break from lessons for a while - he was having trouble finding the time to practice because he'd joined a hockey team. SHe said she had been trying to convince him to tell me himself but he was so shy she'd finally let him off the hook. That's exactly what I'd seen in my dream! - as if I'd somehow "known" and had prepared myself to deal with it.

I've been studying my dreams and training myself to remember them for so long now such experiences are no longer seem unusual. And though they are certainly not always so easily understood, I've learned not to write them off as "just dreams", though sometimes it takes months - even years - before they play themselves out.

And I don't think that I am an "unusual" or "gifted" dreamer - anyone can train themselves to remember and interpret their dreams if they are so inclined!

Dream on .... daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Blind River - Town in SHOCK, eh?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 19 Apr 03 - 12:38 PM

What the FLIP is goin' on here??? What is this plotz about dreams and Einstein and stuff like that?

WE ARE TALKIN ABOUT A SHUT DOWN TIM HORTONS HERE OKAY???!!!

Jeez! Gimme a flippin break!

Who is the dork who started all this talkin about other stuff that dont belong here?

The flippin donut shop is still closed and there anit no beer in the fridge neether. My idiot bruther locked me in the basement the other day, eh? What a bolthole!!! I tried to find some skunky beer to drink cos I couldnt get out and there was all these empties down there, and I ddid find some and drnak it and got relly SICk! Blauagh!

Man I was as sick as a flippin dog. He is gonna PAY!

And if DEAD flippin DRunk in Dead Falls ever comes here I will punch his flippin lights out and dump him headfirst down a outhouse hole. I know where there is a good one, juts rght for that loser, eh? I show no mercy to boltholes, corkpullers, and dorks!!! Speciallty ones from Mon-flippin-Tana! Hey, goof, know what we use yer flippin flag for in Blind River? Guess...

BDiBR