Tune Req: Princess Royal

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Charmion
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 06:29 PM

I have been learning ABC to post tunes on The Session. It maketh my brain to bleed, yea verily.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 14 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM

Re-reading this thread I now see that these two tunes have been matched by previous posts here, however...

...I don't usually watch it but yesterday I watched the Last Night of the Proms and thought, I know that tune!!

The Saucy Arethusa

I then thought that it is an O'Carolan tune but having heard over 220 of his tunes over the years I had to do a bit of research to find that it is the tune of:

The Princess Royal played beautifully by Ma´ire Ni´ Chathasaigh & Chris Newman

I also have to admit to an error I make, quite often, by referring to the tune as "Miss MacDermott Roe" instead of "Miss MacDermott". I do it in conversations too, but the reason is that there are eight other O'Carolan tunes with the name "MacDermott Roe" in the titles so I tend to forget that this tune is "Miss MacDermott" (also known as "The Princess Royal").

So, sorry for repeating previous information but it was an ah-ha moment for me yesterday.

BTW, it is one of my favourite O'Carolan tunes, and P.S. just between you and me, I don't really relate to the Morris version(s). Sorry! I like the original way better.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: clueless don
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 07:29 AM

Thought I would mention that the "Irish version" of the tune bears at least some resemblance to another Irish set dance, Rodney's Glory

Don

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 04:02 PM

Thanks for the Rodney's Glory link. I haven't heard it before. One of my music friends recommended this tune for our session group:

The Nomad performed by Killarney

Another member of our session said it is almost the same as The Princess Royal.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 05:57 PM

Can't believe no one's mentioned the Old Songs Podcast episode about Princess Royal, where Squeezy goes very in depth into the history of the tune, the variations and how he learned it: https://theoldsongspodcast.buzzsprout.com/1094882/12136416-the-old-songs-podcast-se2ep8-princess-royal-ft-john-spiers

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST,Admiral Rodney
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 01:15 PM

Rodneys glory is played swung,"O'Carolan's Concerto"   is not.
Rodney's Glory has 20 bars
"O'Carolan's Concerto".has 32 bars

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 01:55 PM

Interesting observation, GUEST,Admiral Rodney, but it's The Princess Royal, not O'Carolan's Concerto.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 02:02 PM

Was Admiral Rodney formerly known as Captain Birdseye?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 05:57 PM

Can't believe no one's mentioned the Old Songs Podcast episode about Princess Royal, where Squeezy goes very in depth into the history of the tune, the variations and how he learned it: https://theoldsongspodcast.buzzsprout.com/1094882/12136416-the-old-songs-podcast-se2ep8-princess-royal-ft-john-spiers

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST,Admiral Rodney
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 01:15 PM

Rodneys glory is played swung,"O'Carolan's Concerto"   is not.
Rodney's Glory has 20 bars
"O'Carolan's Concerto".has 32 bars

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 02:02 PM

Was Admiral Rodney formerly known as Captain Birdseye?

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 14 Oct 23 - 06:18 PM

Re-reading this thread I now see that these two tunes have been matched by previous posts here, however...

...I don't usually watch it but yesterday I watched the Last Night of the Proms and thought, I know that tune!!

The Saucy Arethusa

I then thought that it is an O'Carolan tune but having heard over 220 of his tunes over the years I had to do a bit of research to find that it is the tune of:

The Princess Royal played beautifully by Ma´ire Ni´ Chathasaigh & Chris Newman

I also have to admit to an error I make, quite often, by referring to the tune as "Miss MacDermott Roe" instead of "Miss MacDermott". I do it in conversations too, but the reason is that there are eight other O'Carolan tunes with the name "MacDermott Roe" in the titles so I tend to forget that this tune is "Miss MacDermott" (also known as "The Princess Royal").

So, sorry for repeating previous information but it was an ah-ha moment for me yesterday.

BTW, it is one of my favourite O'Carolan tunes, and P.S. just between you and me, I don't really relate to the Morris version(s). Sorry! I like the original way better.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 04:02 PM

Thanks for the Rodney's Glory link. I haven't heard it before. One of my music friends recommended this tune for our session group:

The Nomad performed by Killarney

Another member of our session said it is almost the same as The Princess Royal.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: Helen
Date: 19 Oct 23 - 01:55 PM

Interesting observation, GUEST,Admiral Rodney, but it's The Princess Royal, not O'Carolan's Concerto.

Subject: RE: Tune Req: Princess Royal
From: clueless don
Date: 18 Oct 23 - 07:29 AM

Thought I would mention that the "Irish version" of the tune bears at least some resemblance to another Irish set dance, Rodney's Glory

Don