BS: Dreams

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Amos
Date: 11 Feb 04 - 05:53 PM

RR:

Spot on. There is no external authority on meaning, especially the meaning of dreams which are your own personal Waring Blender on reality and mean what you decide they do. It is possible, surely, to invest a dream or any other creative act with meaning from a level of high creative energy, and then drop down to a much lowerr level of energy to experience it. That way you can enjoy the mystical mysteriousness of it all, and ponder indefinitely. If you go in for that kind of thing.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 11 Feb 04 - 06:28 PM

That's what I mean Amos, I can only dechipher my meaning into my dream. I don't believe anyone writing a book on symbolic meanings can actually do that, because, and you said it Amos, they mean what you decide them to mean. I have a book from early 1900's that has dream meanings (kind of what you are looking at Suzanne) and I just can't quite go along with the book or the belief that we are so structured in meaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Mickey191
Date: 11 Feb 04 - 07:01 PM

Very interesting thread. I used to plan my dream subject as a young woman. Usually involved Paul Newman. Can't do that anymore, though I still try.

A cousin of mine has sleep apnea, and before his treatment he couldn't remember any of his dreams.
Now he has a mask which improves his breathing, thus bringing more oxygen to his brain cells. He recalls them now in great detail.

Jerry, that is a beautiful song you've written.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Raedwulf
Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:47 PM

I'm not sure that people have understood what lucid dreaming is. From a very early age (as in single figure years) I realised that I could force myself to wake up from a dream that was disturbing. This does not constitute lucid dreaming. Lucid dreaming is much more than the ability to wake yourself up from a dream with negative connotations.

R

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: GUEST,MAG at Library
Date: 11 Feb 04 - 10:03 PM

trust me, Raedwulf, I know what lucid dreaming is.

RR, In my dream group we share our dreams and help each other figure out what they are about.

We have some guidelines which include NOT trying to tell each other what a dream is about, but offering suggestions. In spite of which, one person does drag along one of those 10,000 dreams interpreted books and look everyone's symbols up.

Two techniques which I find helpful:

The gestalt thing where you imagine yourself to be each element in the dream and see what it has to say.

The dialectic method where you dialog with another character in the dream and see what it has to say.

When a thought resonates with you you are probably on the right track.

Often a series of dreams in one night are on the same topic; your unconscious mind keeps sending it back until you get it. The unconscious cannot communicate directly but through symbolic means. Something can be a composite -- ie, a person can be a composite of different people who have something in common.

What's called "day residue" is you mind processing thoughts of the day. These still have a lot of signifigance, as your unconscious can glom on to some very minor incident which turns out to represent something your unconscious was chewing on. (Hence remembered it.)

Great thread. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: LadyJean
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 01:16 AM

I once dreamt that one of the women I was cleaning for fired me. Sure enough she did, four days later. Not for the reason she had in my dream. I also dreamed that her porch roof fell in. I've always wondered if that part came true too.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: dianavan
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 01:43 AM

Jerry: That song is lovely. She was a true Muse. Inspiration comes to us from many places.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: SueB
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 03:11 AM

MAG, I had no idea I was committing a faux pas by referring to a dream dictionary, but I can see how that could rub some people the wrong way. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 04:21 AM

Suzanne, you did NOT rub me the wrong way. Please don't misunderstand me. I love you for whatever you believe. What ever you believe in is what makes..you. If that is your path sister go for it. I was just saying I can't go for it. I am a stubborn bitch that thinks I have it all figured out but in reality, I ...do! Because it is my reality!! But Suzy, I love you for your beliefs also. What ever works for you will work for you. Please, I don't mean to offend you but only to give my interpretation of my own thoughts.
Still lovin' SueB (and I love how SueB sounds) after our short but connecting conversation
Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: freda underhill
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 09:41 AM

hi everyone. this is a great thread, & i have enjoyed all of the very personal comments and revelations here. it is fascinating to try and understand part of us that is elusive and symbolic. stories of encounters with family, churches, burning smells, music and songs.. are a window into other moments and experiences. a song flowing from a dream seems like a pure channel of creativity, unadulterated..

to add another possibility to wondering about why we dream, where we go, how we can connect to other people, times and eras, consider..

a couple of years ago i watched an interview on late night tv. Philip Adams (those in Oz will know him as an athiest and skeptic journalist) interviewed a prize winning physicist.

one of the topics that emerged was that of parallel universes. this physics professor stated that he and many other scientists consider that it is likely that we have a parallel universe/dimension. The theory was that the parallel universe is very like our own, and we and the animate and inanimate beings/elements that make up this universe are copied in this other dimesion, altho with some minor changes.

according to this theory, which the scientist said was now held by many people in his field, we and the people we are, are replicated somewhere in this parrallel universe, with everything else.

so , for example, somwhere in the parallel u - I will be sitting typing a thread to mudcat, and you will be reading it. altho there will be subtle differences, I may have a different model computer, and my cat might be named Jimmy instead of Baxter.

if such a parallel universe exists, are our dreams linking us to events/ people/ places in such a universe?

now it is time for me to go and dream... 1.37 am!!

good night and sweet day dreams to those of you who are in awake-time!

best wishes

fred

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: MAG
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM

O there is one thing I wish I had done differently in my life, and my fervent hope is that in that parallel universe, I did ...

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Jeanie
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 12:13 PM

Freda, I love that idea of a parallel universe, and it's really made me smile. For me it would mean me, other-world-twin, parallel me, parallel-other-world twin. I already have a "deal" with another lone twin ( living on this real earth now....just so as we don't start getting confused here..) that whoever gets to that "great other-world pub in the sky" first will get a round in ready for when the last one arrives. With your parallel universe idea, I reckon I would need to get my calculator out to see just how many drinks I'd have to get in. Eight, is it ? Sixteen ? Hope they do Barclary Card up there.... And just think of the harmonies when we all starting singing...

Cheers !
- jeanie

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Feb 04 - 01:42 PM

MAG, there is a good story in the latest issue of ANALOG dealing with that very conundrum.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: MAG
Date: 13 Feb 04 - 01:30 AM

Far out; my library has it. Analog, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: freda underhill
Date: 13 Feb 04 - 06:26 PM

hi

did my thoughts about the parallel universe take this thread off track?

anyone had any good dreams this week?

freda

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Joybell
Date: 13 Feb 04 - 07:03 PM

I frequently meet Shape-changers in dreams. They are very matter-of-fact, though. Something like an ordinary looking lady who tells me she is one of the parrots that lives in our garden. I sometimes talk to animals that I understand to be Shape-changers, but the conversations are ordinary and boring. I love dreams though. I'm one of those people who mostly know they are dreaming which is handy when coping with nightmares. I can usually change the direction of a dream if I need to. Joy

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Feb 04 - 08:21 PM

Shapechangers in dreams aren't unusual. The trick is to get them to stay in one shape for any length of dreamtime.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 13 Feb 04 - 11:30 PM

I don't think anything said in this dream will be a thread drift.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: freda underhill
Date: 14 Feb 04 - 02:38 AM

that comment rustic rebel has made me smile. yes, as the hindus and others see it, everything is a dream. everything, and we meditate to break through our dreams and into reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: Peace
Date: 14 Feb 04 - 02:12 PM

freda,

Your remark about breaking into reality reminds me of a song by Patrick Sky in which he says, "Reality is bad enough, why should I tell the truth?"

Subject: RE: BS: Dreams
From: freda underhill
Date: 15 Feb 04 - 05:25 AM

sometimes dreams are a welcome escape from reality, bruce - i'll be glad when this year is over.