BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 11:40 AM

Songs I wrote about pot..

to the tune A few of my favorite things

Pot makes you choke like a goat on galoshes
Cost of the smoke could buy boats for your bosses
Go for a drive around paranoid town.
These are the highs that will make you feel down.

When your lungs ache
and you eat cake
for a day, or two

Then you will know how pot improves your life
Like when you have the flu.

da dea da dea da dea da dea da dea da
da dea da dea da dea da dea da dea da
da dea da dea da dea da dea da dea
da dea da dea makes you forget the words

When the cops come
for your freedom
and you're thrown in jail

Your source for more pot will be better by far
as you grow old and pale.


..................


Smokin herb
singin for da people
Rasta mon
sang his redemption song
Da words
same as beneath a steeple
Da road
to freedoms long.

300 years ago
Arabs sold the slaves.
Africa divided
white man reaped da gold.
Ossama is a traitor
a rich man we are told.
How'd he help da people?
They were lied to and sold.



__________________________
Brother against brother
Is what the man counts on
When we are together
All they're power's gone

Love your child and free em
To reap what they can sow
If you want your freedom
Its all in what you know
___________________________


Bob Marley's songs
in Africa.
We knew what
they were sick of.
There were raids
In ol Cape town
Half now die of Aids
buried in da ground.

The Al Queda
think they know the way.
With disease
they plan revenge
If they smoked mariquana
there'd be peace today.
You've got to tell your neighbor
There is a message we must send...



__________________________
Freedom needs compassion
Dats why we smoke da herb
When freedom is rationed
Your life becomes absurd

We're not the infidel
We're not the enemy
We are just the people
We are you, you are me.
__________________________

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: GUEST,Whistle Stop
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 01:00 PM

McGrath, you're missing my point. I never suggested that "everything has to be done the same way everywhere." But the USA is one country; the Civil War decided that, to the extent that it wasn't already apparent to everyone. We are made up of "states" that used to have a lot of autonomy, different currencies, etc. But that was a long time ago. Moreover, the states' rights arguments often cut against effective government by either the Feds or the individual states. For instance, without uniform gun laws, people can easily purchase their firearms in the state with the least stringent controls -- which renders the efforts of the other states completely ineffective.

As for giving power to "some far away government" -- well, how far is too far? The world is a lot smaller now than it was when traveling from New York to Washington took weeks. And, in fact, it has most often been the states rather than the Feds who were the ones restricting individual rights, and the Feds had to come riding to the rescue to protect the rights the states were denying their citizens. Remember, the states' rights argument was the primary justification for maintaining slavery before the Civil War, and for maintaining Jim Crow segregation laws in the years since. If I were a black man in Mississippi in the 1950s, I'd take the "far away government" over the locals any day.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 01:35 PM

Protecting human rights is one thing, restricting them is very different. The USA is one country, but it's a federation, and that is supposed to mean a limit on what the national government can do to restrict the freedom of states to have a more relaxed attitude on stuff like this.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: GUEST,Whistle Stop
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 02:43 PM

I know the theory, McGrath; it's an old one. It's the practice that concerns me. You can bank on the theoretical likelihood that the nearby local government will be more sympathetic to you than the faraway Feds will be, but that's just a theory, which often is not borne out in practice.

When you come right down to it, either the Federal government or the various state governments can restrict individual freedoms, so the big question is which one you trust more. In my experience, at least until recently, the Feds were more likely to uphold individual rights than the states were, so they're deserving of a higher level of trust. Ultimately, each type of government is accountable to its constituency, therefore state and local governments are more susceptible to coercion by a local majority than the Federal government is. Individual cases may vary, but in general that's the way I've seen it play out in this country.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: annamill
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 03:12 PM

WAIT AMINIT??? Amos said "even though growing their own is legal inside California,"

LEGAL?? I just moved to Cali!

Umm...exactly how do you grow pot on your window sill?

Not, ah, that I would, ah.. just curious, ya know?

ah...never mind...

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: annamill
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 03:16 PM

WAIT AMINIT? If it's legal to grow it, does that mean it's legal to "SMOKE" it?? If not, exactly what do these people who grow it do with it??

Just curious. ah..

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Peace
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 03:18 PM

Yhey bake lots.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: annamill
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 03:27 PM

Ohhh.. a little Alice B., huh?

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Fishpicker
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 04:09 PM

"Legalise it ALL... then regulate it and tax the bees-sneezes outa"

Ice cream!
make it illegal to possess more than one half gallon for personal use in your home. Politicains can then misappropriate the taxs to line their golden parachutes.

The fed supreme court should not be involved in states rights issues, one of the main reasons why the system is broken. They can shove federal pot laws along with their patriot act! LOL!!!!!!

                              FP

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Gypsy
Date: 03 Dec 04 - 10:48 PM

Annamill, all you need is a prescription......you can grow 6 plants. Now, you are fine and dandy, as long as the feds aren't in town. It is still a federal offense. County by county, as you go further north, it is easier. We have a local doc that makes most of his living with pot cards. Second quandry...........careful about growing, it is a great way to have break ins long about september, and october.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Amos
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:32 PM

>> Dear Red States:
>>
>> We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided
>> we're leaving.
>> We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue
>> States
>> with us.
>>
>> In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington,
>> Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the entire Northeast. We
>> believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to
>> the
>> people of the new country of New California.
>>
>> To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
>> We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
>> We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
>>
>> We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
>> We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
>> We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
>>
>> We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You
>> get
>> Alabama.
>> We get two-thirds of the tax revenue; you get to make the red states pay
>> their fair share.
>>
>> Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian
>> Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single
>> moms.
>>
>> Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war,
>> and
>> we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once.
>> If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids
>> they're
>> apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they
>> don't
>> care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home.
>> We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but
>> we're
>> not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.
>>
>> With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of
>> the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and
>> lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's
>> quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners), 90 percent
>> of
>> all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.
>> low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
>> and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Saint Mary's
>> College, Cal Tech and MIT.
>>
>> With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
>> percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs),
>> 92
>> percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90
>> percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists,
>> virtually
>> 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University,
>> Clemson and the University of Georgia.
>>
>> We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
>>
>> Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
>> actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless
>> we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that
>> evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11
>> and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher
>> morals then we lefties.
>>
>> By the way, we're taking the good pot, too.
>> You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Author Unknown in New California
>>
>>
>

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:53 PM

Wow....

Now if anyone needs evidence (other tha the burnin' kind) that smokin' pot is bad fir yer mind then I'd like to enter this thread into the fray as "Exhibit A"...

I read the titel and was thinkin' "Far Out, a thread 'bout pot smokin" then found out that I started it over a year ago???

Now, kiddies, Uncle Bobert say "Jst say no,,,"

(Cough)...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Once Famous
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 12:10 AM

Pot should never be legalized.

I smoked it for years and stopped 10 years ago and am very thankful.

I have come to the conclusion that it has no redeeming value whatsoever.

bobert, I figure that you would be a much better musician if you quit using it. Much healthier, also. Much wiser, definately.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:29 AM

Never thought I'd see a day when I agreed with MG. There is a God.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:14 AM

Pot should be legal. Basic civil liberties. You want to ban addictive, dangerous drugs? Start with Tobacco.

You want to draw a line in the sand and say 'these are too dangerous, they must be banned', I may not agree with your line, but at least it makes sense. The division of legal/illegal makes no sense currently.


The laws on drugs are an ass, which is why they are so widley flouted. There are very few illegal drugs that are as inheriently lethal and addictive as tobacco. A large proportion of the damage is caused by the expense of drugs, and the huge amount of crime it causes.

Legalise most of them, and sell them like tobacco, in reasonably priced units, with some quality control. Some of the results might not be pretty, but can they be any worse than now?

The war on drugs can never be won. Lets end it sensibly.

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: leftydee
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 12:11 PM

Amos,
You left out that the Red(neck) States get to do most of the executions! How fun for them!

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 12:33 PM

Stroolin Johnny, people agree with my common sense everyday, except for Bunnahabhain who would rather divert the issue to something like tobacco.

Both should be banned and they will turn your lungs black.

chicago is on the verge of passing a huge anti-smoking ban in public places. I can't wait.

Let the war on drugs never end, just like the war on terrorism.

Or would you rather lose each?

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:30 PM

The war on alcohol was admitted to be lost when Prohibition was repealed.

"When will they ever learn?"

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:45 PM

Yo, Marty,

Ain't nuff pot on the planet that would make me come in second to you in a battle of the folkies...

No brag, just fact...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: State's Rights, Pot and the Supremes....
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 07:53 PM

He's given it up, so he says, Bobert! Nobody would guess that he has had his brain fucked by pot!


The reason that we will never see an end to the war on drugs is that the 'organised crime' element who came to power during Prohibition had learned to lobby politic ans, and now will not let their new source of income die out.

In much the same way, those profiting from the war on terror are gonna have to have their cold dead fingers prised away from out politicians too...