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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,.coldjam Date: 18 Aug 05 - 12:31 AM 3.00 a gallon is still cheap - go to the EU - and 5.00 plus is norm.
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: M.Ted Date: 18 Aug 05 - 01:00 AM $3.00 by the end of the year? It it is $2.91 at a number of places around here right now--$3.00 by the end of the month is more like it-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,The Barden of England at work Date: 18 Aug 05 - 04:40 AM Petrol is at least 89pence a litre here in the south of England. That comes to $6.10 per American Gallon and the prediction is that it will soon be £1 per litre so that will make it $6.85 per American gallon so $3 sounds great to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,noddy Date: 18 Aug 05 - 04:40 AM it is about time you started to pay for polluting the rest of the world ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 05 - 05:18 AM PeterK (Fiona) Just where do you get off calling people racists and spoilt bitches? Its not the first time you've done it hear and it wont be the last most likley. not everyone is such a sanctimonious self satisfied git with there head so far up there own ass as you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 18 Aug 05 - 06:08 AM Rapaire, sure people of all shades travel. I was talking about likelihoods. In the US, long-distance travel is a luxury more likely to be enjoyed by whites than blacks, just like any other luxury. Are you seriously trying to argue with that? I hate to intrude on your belief that colour makes no difference, since it must bring you comfort. But look around you. For a start, one in every three blacks aged 18-21 ain't going anywhere, because they're in jail. I find it alarming that even beyond the many millions who voted Bush back, there are yet more Americans whose politics is driven by the "me, now" philosophy, as eloquently expounded by Pearl. What gives me hope is that there is a minority of Americans who hold to decent principles in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds - hold in fact to the dream of what America was supposed be all about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,Mooh Date: 18 Aug 05 - 06:21 AM Buck a litre for regular. The same morons who complain about the price of gas at the local are the ones who buy cars for their kids to drive less than a mile to school, who drive around the block for a quart of milk, who idle their car when at the ATM or smoke shop, blah, blah, blah... Most of our passtimes are energy driven, like travel, sports, and hobbies, and I say that while sitting in front of a computer made of unrecyclables, burning electricity. Think I'll go walk the dog. I submit that a selfish society won't change its habits voluntarily, and selfish governments (for tax AND personal investment reasons) won't legislate change until it's too late, because it's already too late for them. Countries will soon regret blowing their wad on war and consumerist ideals. Those investments could be saving the planet, finding energy alternatives and implementing them, etc. I don't need a vehicle for most of my work, and the wife she car pools, but we should reduce our recreational fuel consumption. Buck a litre, and climbing. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Kaleea Date: 18 Aug 05 - 06:54 AM Unfortunately, not all of us are ablebodied enough to walk everywhere we go, even if every destination were "within normal walking distance." On a fixed income, it is nearly impossible to purchase a high mileage dependable car. Public transportation is quite lacking & expensive for the disabled. Carrying groceries & household goods while walking can be virtually impossible for some of us. If you want to know why we are dependent upon oil, consider a tidbit about solar energy which was in a petroleum journal a couple of decades ago. (I read it myself in an oil industry journal in my uncle's office in the Petroleum Building in Tulsa, Oklahoma) Just after turn of the 20th century (1900's), Soviet scientists met in the USA with other scientists of the world. The Soviet scientists offered their brilliant discoveries of solar energy to the "world." [If you recall, gasoline engines were being used in motorcars, motorcycles, et. al. at the time and the "powers that were" at the time had a great deal of their finances invested into the new (bacy then) fossil fuel-oil, natural gas, coal. There were already plans to build suburb type residential areas nearby factories & cities. There were already long range plans in development for highways.] The Soviet scientists were told, in short, thanks but no thanks. Now consider that automobiles were built, oil wells were drilled all over Texas, Oklahoma, Lousianna & anywhere they found oil, especially on "reservations" upon which dwelled indigenous Americans whom had been removed from their native lands-most of whom got no money as the mineral rights had been stolen from them. Housing developments were beginning to be built all over the USA to entice workers off the farms. The cars got bigger, and oil use increased until engineers sought off shore wells, and eventually went to the Middle East. A few years ago, the supreme court placed into office 2 Texas oilmen whose fortunes were established upon oil wells. The one known as "W" had a father who was once the head of the CIA & placed an oil buddy into office in Iraq. Then, his sons, who had a weapons business sold arms to that oil buddy in Iraq. (this info has been on the news in previous years, & public knowledge, but evidently "forgotten" by most of the public during the elections) Now you know the rest of the story. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST Date: 18 Aug 05 - 07:43 AM bringing it back to music,as a pro of some years standing I'm having to turn down bookings from folk clubs I would have accepted in the past because taking the cost of getting to and from a booking 200 miles from home, paying my agent's commission and then paying tax on the remainder makes the stress and effort of the driving etc not worth the candle, and tying two or three gigs together gets harder by the week as clubs close or are only available on the same two or three days of the week. Therefore I have to find less work for more money. I'm sure this is getting to be true for most pros, but I can't imagine what it's doing to the aspirations of all the young folk musicians coming out of the Universities etc who hope to make a living from their music.No one will be on the road ten years from now at this rate, except those who can fill small theatres at least. And will the audience be able to afford to travel to the venue, buy the tickets and get the essential cd? Seems to me the british folk music scene will soon be like that in America or Canada, locally based with a few travelling superstars, and Summer festivals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 05 - 08:36 AM Please keep in mind that all this is happening while ALL TIME record profits are being reaped by Exxon, Mobile and others. OPEC is but one member of the club. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Paul Burke Date: 18 Aug 05 - 08:49 AM " Just after turn of the 20th century (1900's), Soviet scientists met in the USA with other scientists of the world. The Soviet scientists offered their brilliant discoveries of solar energy to the "world." " Soviets in 1900? Possiblynot. But seriously, the problem was already well established then- around London the railway companies like the LBSCR, the LCDR, the SECR and the Metropolitan, were building railways speculatively, in the confident hope that the houses would follow, and commuters would pay their fares into the city. I think the same was happening in the USA, where electric interurbans led the way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 05 - 09:01 AM http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/gasprice.jpg A modern Montazuma revenge: http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushburst9.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: M.Ted Date: 18 Aug 05 - 11:25 AM Everyone,understand this--the major "consumer" gas consumption is not recreational--it is work related--many, many people commute between 50 and 90 miles a day, or more--and, even in the major metropolitan areas, there is very little public transportation---and most people do not live within walking distance of shopping areas-- PeterK(Fionn)--What you say about blacks not travelling while whites travel is not true--I can assure you that blacks families own cars in nearly the same proportion as whites--and they drive just as much, if not more, for "recreation"--Furthermore, blacks tend to like, and buy, the same gas guzzling SUV's as whites(and others, because the US is not a black/white kind of place)-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,Number 6 Date: 18 Aug 05 - 12:12 PM Well said Mooh ... behind what ya said 100%. Just came back from lunch ... walked home, walked the dog and walked back to work. It's $1.12 (and climbing) a litre here in Saint John. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Ebbie Date: 18 Aug 05 - 01:09 PM Le'ts revisit a truth: In the UK, the major reason for gas/petrol being so expensive is that you are paying and prepaying for a number of amenities and social issues with the money tacked on top of what the petrol companies garner. In the US, the major reason for gasoline being so expensive is that the oil companies, both foreign and domestic, are having a bonanza. As an analogy, look at cigarettes. The other day I passed by a storefront that advertised major brand cigarettes. They were over $48.00 a carton! (When I stopped smoking, I had been paying $5.05 for a carton.) This is Alaska. Several years ago they slapped 'sin' taxes on tobacco products, which is why the prices are so high today. That means that it is not the tobacco companies who get to put those moneies in their pockets. It is the State - we, the people - who are paying and prepaying some related expenses with that extra money. Windfall profits versus social planning. Hard to argue with the logic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: PoppaGator Date: 18 Aug 05 - 01:49 PM I know that this discussion is not primarily about race, but I feel compelled to make this observation: Not all black people in the US are desperately poor; indeed, large numbers are "middle class" (although many of us who are used to describing ourselves as "middle class" are now living from paycheck to paycheck, just getting by, and not nearly so comfortably-middle-class as we used to be). However, it is equally true that most of the very poorest Americans are black. It is quite true that significant numbers of Americans who enjoy recreational travel and who own late-model gas-guzzling vehicles are indeed black, and also brown, red, and yellow. On the other hand, if you ride the bus in almost any large US city*, you will observe that the overwhelming majority of the riders ~ that is, almost all of the people who must rely on our inadequate public transporation system to get around ~ are African Americans. And it is also true, as someone observed, that a huge percentage of young black males are in jail and therefore not engaging in travel of any kind. *New York City is an exception. Everyone takes the subway, except the wealthiest, who stick to taxicabs and "car services." Driving is just too much trouble, and there isn't room for everyone to have a car; the cost of renting a parking spot can be higher than the cost of a modest home or apartment in a smaller town! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Rapparee Date: 18 Aug 05 - 06:54 PM I can only report what I have seen with my own eyes. Blacks, reds, yellows, whites, flying or driving. While I didn't count that people on the airplanes I've flown on, the planes were full and I would ESTIMATE that the various skin colors were present in about the same ratio as they are in the population at large. However! The governments of the so-called "developed countries" have for a very long time papered over the problems, encouraging the people to believe that there would be plenty of fuel forever or at least for a very long time. That energy conservation and the development of alternative energy resources was irrelevant. That gasoline would always be cheap and available. Now this is coming back to bite us all. And please don't tell me, with a snug smile, that you've known this all along. That you recycle, drive a non-guzzling car, have a "green" house and office. I've been doing those things since at least 1970. There is a problem. It can be solved. The solution is going to take both personal and political action. Stop wasting energy pointing fingers and get on with the solutionS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: mdricha Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:38 AM Gas prices are demand and supply..based on one year in advance. Want lower prices? Quite whinning..walk more..lower the supply . Take a bus..carpool. As far as the price goes..hmm..last time i saw lines was when Jimmy Carter was president..oh..the one who bothced the ..nm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Rapparee Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM Yeah. That was right before Ronny lied about sending stuff to Iran, wasn't it? And before Ronny's tax "cuts" did away with all of the incentives to save energy and develop alternate sources? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:52 PM I'm whining about the price of gas .... because it directly affects the price of home fuel oil, and other necessities such as food. Where we live, we greatly depend on fossil fuels to heat our homes and most of our food is trucked in. There are a lot of elderly people and working poor here in the Maritimes who are going to have a hard, hard winter. These and the working poor live in substandard housing, older homes that are insufficiently insulated ... the price of vegetables, fruits are already pretty high here and the price can only go up further ... frankly it is going to be one hard winter here in the Canadian Maritimes, unless there is some sort of tax releif for these people. I agree with Ebbie that sin taxes are good, but is home heating fuel a sin? sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: number 6 Date: 19 Aug 05 - 12:53 PM BTW ... Guest up above (12.52) is me Six. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: CarolC Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:02 PM Carter put solar panels on the White House. Reagan took them off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: number 6 Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:08 PM ... that's because they need the space for a security watch platform. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: CarolC Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:24 PM LOL, and also the missile launcher. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: number 6 Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:28 PM HaHa ... it's true Carol, have you seen that security platform on the roof ... and ya better beleive they are up there looking at ya. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: CarolC Date: 19 Aug 05 - 01:33 PM Yes indeed, sIx. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: M.Ted Date: 19 Aug 05 - 02:52 PM Sort of an extension of/response to what Rapaire has to say--yes, we knew about this 30 years ago-- I seem to remember, back circa 1972- that a whole generation was turning its back on the war mongering materialistic consumerism of the past, getting back to nature, learning to work with its hands, grow its own food, and celebrate our cultural differences by playing acoustic music-- So why is it that these progressive folks turned into the shoppingest, garbage-makingest, canned music listenest, packaged food eatingest world messing, bomb-droppingest bastards that ever walked the face of the earth? Inquiring minds want to know-- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: pdq Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM They turned their backs on the Christian ethics that once held this country together. Sorry, M.Ted, but that is what happened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Rapparee Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:52 PM No, pdq. They turned their backs on ethics. Ethics has no religion. They also turned to greed. DON'T STOP TO REST (Song for Phil Ochs) Steve Romanoff Relax, relax in photographs of places where you've been, Where nothing new can worry you, you've earned a rest, my friend, The riot tears and rebel years have vanished with the din, Of young bureaucrats and slapping backs and prizes they can win, You've seen them all at city hall, you've seen them in the street, You've seen them masquerading where the better people meet, Convinced at last those days are past when they should give a damn About the anguish in the world, about the future in their hands. You've heard the promise of the evil men Don't stop to rest or we'll come back again, If you remember then you ought to know, Don't stop to rest 'cause we've got far to go. Come all you young-eyed citizens, a story I will tell, Of how a Great Society was going all to hell, But children who resembled you were brought up on a war, Had had their fill of overkill and said they'd fight no more, It cost them miles of marching and it cost them years of pain, Before their fathers realized their kids were not insane, But now we're all executives too busy to recall The days of righting what was wrong, the words of writing on the wall. Chorus Now don't misunderstand me 'cause I mean just what I say, Old pledges made in passion still should mean something today, You've done your bit, don't go and sit behind your groaning board, And let the scrivener set down, you've given all you could afford. Chorus |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: GUEST,Mooh Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:22 PM $102.5 this morning. Rosie The Wonder Dog will have to learn to pull a wagon now. Peace, Mooh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Ebbie Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:59 PM "So why is it that these progressive folks turned into the shoppingest, garbage-makingest, canned music listenest, packaged food eatingest world messing, bomb-droppingest bastards that ever walked the face of the earth? Inquiring minds want to know--" M. Ted I was at a political what-to-do meeting last night and that was one of the points we discussed. When did it become OK? When did it become OK to screen people so that only those who agree with you are allowed in to an election stomp? When did it become OK to not allow a meeting room for a hearing by the legislative minority so that they had to hold a hearing in a cramped janitor's closet? When did it - and 50 other things become OK? Making a difference - or even where to start - seems impossible. How do you take on "the most powerful man/nation in the world?" Last night I suggested that perhaps if we downscaled that statement to a more manageable size, to a feudal system to, say,400 years ago, maybe we can get a handle on it. If we were in a feudal system and suffering under our lords, being exploited for their own use, making war in support of their causes, and all the rest that goes with being the powerless under the thumbs of the powerful, What would we do? One panelist said, We would go on strike. Stop buying. Stop presenting ourselves for war. Take to the streets. Because when it comes down to it, we are not powerless. They need us much more than we need them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: RangerSteve Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:14 AM It's 2.49 in New Jersey, except along the Delaware River, where it's 2.69. The reason for this is that it's even more expensive in Pennsylvania, and people will drive over the river to get the cheaper gas, not knowing that it's even cheaper if they drive a mile further. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: skarpi Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:32 AM It´s 114 krónur In Iceland pr liter , so it´s about a little over 2 dollar pr liter you have callons, you should try to run a can In Iceland it´s "$%&"&%&"#$%%$%$% harder than it´s for you. So if you have it hard to run a car witch has cas , sell it and get disel or maybe we should go out and scream for hydrogen on cars, we have the techn,,,, but the oil instr,,,, is holding it back becouse they are afraid . We have buses here In Reykjavík witch is on Hydrogen and it is working very well, and that is the future I hope, no black smoke no smell just a white harmless puff as I call it. All the best Skarpi Iceland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Price of Gas From: Bunnahabhain Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM Didn't the whole Icelandic fishing fleet convert to hydrogen a year or two back? Or was that just a plan that never happened? (sorry about the thread drift...) |
